All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
44
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
Total votes: 69

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6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:35 am
Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 am In the short term: stay inside, wash hands, stop smoking, drop weight, don't hoard, wear a mask. Beyond that: send the ventilators where they're needed. Geneva General has 2 confirmed cases ... there are probably 30 cases in the county ... for now others need the ventilators more than we do. [BTW ... still looking for the evidence that ventilators generally save lives in COVID cases]. Beyond that: short term economic relief ... some direct checks TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM ... other relief via debt forgiveness (eg, student loans). Infrastructure stimulus is a good idea for long term economy ... not just roads and bridges, but 5g networks, etc... yreat internet as public utility and subsidize (on line education today shows us this is necessary). Beyond that: health care for all. No one should be hesitating to see a doctor or dying for lack of money for insulin. Beyond that: a comprehensive plan for pandemic response at federal, state and county levels. Beneath it all: reestablish trust in public information by not lying. First step out of a hole: stop digging.
Anything in that NOT being done
1. Stop the misinformation and reestablish trust in public communication. All sides still divisive ...
2. Debt forgiveness (not short term relief) to stimulate economy.
3. Public health care. It's foolish to think that our current situation isnt partly related to our national health system. We need to correct past problems to be ready for the future.
4.Not everyone is wearing a mask, and I still see fat people smoking.
5. Prescription policy a mess.
6. Current situation a result of lack of planning at federal, state levels. In Geneva, the highest praise goes to the folks in Ontario County who shut things down early. Confirmed case in Canandaigua Middle School could have created a terrible hotspot.
7. Still looking for the evidence that ventilators save lives. Seriously ... anyone following that story?
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Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 am In the short term: stay inside, wash hands, stop smoking, drop weight, don't hoard, wear a mask. Beyond that: send the ventilators where they're needed. Geneva General has 2 confirmed cases ... there are probably 30 cases in the county ... for now others need the ventilators more than we do. [BTW ... still looking for the evidence that ventilators generally save lives in COVID cases]. Beyond that: short term economic relief ... some direct checks TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM ... other relief via debt forgiveness (eg, student loans). Infrastructure stimulus is a good idea for long term economy ... not just roads and bridges, but 5g networks, etc... yreat internet as public utility and subsidize (on line education today shows us this is necessary). Beyond that: health care for all. No one should be hesitating to see a doctor or dying for lack of money for insulin. Beyond that: a comprehensive plan for pandemic response at federal, state and county levels. Beneath it all: reestablish trust in public information by not lying. First step out of a hole: stop digging.
Laxgun... is Hobart WS still open? I know they were/are one of the few colleges that gave students the option to come back to campus after Spring break.
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RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:41 am
Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 am In the short term: stay inside, wash hands, stop smoking, drop weight, don't hoard, wear a mask. Beyond that: send the ventilators where they're needed. Geneva General has 2 confirmed cases ... there are probably 30 cases in the county ... for now others need the ventilators more than we do. [BTW ... still looking for the evidence that ventilators generally save lives in COVID cases]. Beyond that: short term economic relief ... some direct checks TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM ... other relief via debt forgiveness (eg, student loans). Infrastructure stimulus is a good idea for long term economy ... not just roads and bridges, but 5g networks, etc... yreat internet as public utility and subsidize (on line education today shows us this is necessary). Beyond that: health care for all. No one should be hesitating to see a doctor or dying for lack of money for insulin. Beyond that: a comprehensive plan for pandemic response at federal, state and county levels. Beneath it all: reestablish trust in public information by not lying. First step out of a hole: stop digging.
Great post - as to your question on ventilators: they "save" lives by buying time for the body to heal. No ventilator would mean no way to get enough oxygen into the bloodstream, and that would kill someone directly.

The ultimate question is who is best to put on a ventilator - because the sicker they are as well as the longer they are on one the less likely this buying of time will matter. The Sermo link a couple of posts up shows that physicians in different countries are making differing decisions on ventilator use...

Not sure anyone really has an answer.
Thanks for the info. I've heard from a doc in Roch that it's proving hard to get folks off of the ventilators and that with COVID the intubation procedure seems to be doing even more damage. I guess they are experimenting with allowing oxygen levels to go lower than usual with COVID cases and to only intubate when mo other option is available.
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Looks like the venal little sh*t from Kentucky got some new polling:

https://apnews.com/ade6f4a0853ceb4c3500a8238ad6cd7f

"Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, after days of publicly jousting over what’s next, began to outline fresh priorities signaling a potential thaw to the sniping and opportunity for renewed bipartisan ground.

“There will be a next measure,” McConnell said in an interview with The Associated Press.

The Kentucky Republican said health care must be at the “top of the list.”

McConnell said Congress should focus on correcting any shortcomings in the just-passed $2.2 trillion aid bill and rely on health care experts for solutions to “wipe out” the virus.

It’s the clearest outline yet from the GOP leader after days of slow-walking the push for more aid. McConnell said the new package “should be more a targeted response to what we got wrong and what we didn’t do enough for — and at the top of the list there would have to be the health care part of it.”

Also striking a new approach, Pelosi said Friday that the next coronavirus aid bill should build on the bipartisan relief bills that Congress has passed so far rather than include broader Democratic agenda items, such as infrastructure and rural broadband access.

That’s a noteworthy pivot for the California Democrat, who earlier has pressed goals such as a large public works measure and the restoration of a deduction for state and local tax payments.

“While I’m very much in favor of doing some things we need to do to meet the needs — clean water, more broadband, the rest of that — that may have to be for a bill beyond that right now,” she said during an appearance on CNBC.

The leaders’ remarks came as new evidence arrived of the gravity of the economic crisis caused by the outbreak. The latest batch of unemployment figures showed that a record, almost decade-long streak of U.S. job growth ended last month.

At the same time, the crisis is hitting closer to home. A 400-bed field hospital is being set up at the University of Kentucky’s Lexington campus, officials said Friday. A day earlier the state’s governor announced plans to set up a 2,000-bed field hospital at the state fairgrounds in Louisville.

The two leaders have argued for days on television and in interviews, an almost instantaneous fraying of the rare bipartisanship struck last week on the unprecedented aid package, the largest in U.S. history.

McConnell acknowledged that he and Pelosi have “a little different point of view” about the timing of the next package.

McConnell maintained he is “not in favor of rushing” into the next phase until they take stock of how the just-passed bill is working and what corrections are needed.

But the focus on health care has potential broad appeal as the crisis afflicts communities of all sizes and in all corners of the country, with sick patients seeking treatment at increasingly overrun hospitals and emergency rooms.

“We’ve got to wipe this out and we’ve got to wipe it out in warp speed,” McConnell said. “And so I would put that at the top of the list of places we need to look and see what could we have done better in the previous bill, the $2.2 trillion.”

It would be the fourth coronavirus aid bill from Congress.

He added: “We can’t sustain economically this happening again. We’ve got to solve the health part of it, which means not only treatment but vaccines.”

Pelosi told reporters at the Capitol that she spoke with McConnell Friday.

“We need a fourth bipartisan bill,” Pelosi said.

In a hallway conversation with a small group of reporters, Pelosi said a $350 billion program to help keep small businesses afloat should be extended, as well as unemployment insurance for the jobless and a direct payment to most Americans.

“Let’s do the same bill we just did, make some changes to make it current and correct some of the things that we’d like to see,” Pelosi said. She also would like more generous aid for state and local governments facing budget crises because of plummeting sales and income tax revenues and higher costs for coronavirus response and safety net programs.

Pelosi’s shift followed criticism by Republicans that she was seeking to take advantage of the crisis to press ambitious Democratic agenda items that couldn’t pass on their own. McConnell made it clear that Republicans wouldn’t agree to such add-ons.

GOP leaders across the board have lambasted Pelosi for citing the crisis as a reason to restore the federal tax deduction for state and local taxes. Putting the deduction back in place would have chiefly helped higher income earners in high-tax, Democratic-run states such as California, New York and New Jersey. The idea was widely panned and was seen as unrealistic, given opposition from Republicans."
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youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:43 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am I look at things POSITIVELY. Trump or No Trump.
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:24 am 6ft has a valid point. The Fanlax 'experts' don't have any unique solutions other than what everyone else already knows ('social distance to start') then let's hope for a fast vaccine (which is coming). Yet, the 'experts' primary ethos here seems to be Trump-bashing (when reality says the Chinese should be your first point of concern, by far).
+2
The problem with just blaming the Chinese is that it does nothing to solve the problem that we have in this country right now. We are in the midst of a pandemic and the principle concern is getting through it with minimal damage - both to people and the economy.

So the reason Trump gets bashed (and quite rightly so) is that his reactions to the crisis remain a comedy of errors and neglect. Finally yesterday he tells the country that you should wear masks in public. But maybe not. He is not going to wear one. It would not be presidential.

This is not the language of a leader, and we sorely need one. The POTUS is uniquely positioned to have a maximum effect - but you actually have to lead a unified effort, not play defense and just react all the time. That is why - no matter how you may dislike them or their policies - certain governors have stepped up (NY, MD, MA, MI for example) and others have been mostly absent (GA, FL, AL, MS). The ones who have stepped up have had the more serious problems earlier - and the ones mostly absent seem particularly weak because they seem to need cover from the President who for the most part has only grudgingly and haltingly move more in the right direction.
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tech37 wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:52 am
Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 am In the short term: stay inside, wash hands, stop smoking, drop weight, don't hoard, wear a mask. Beyond that: send the ventilators where they're needed. Geneva General has 2 confirmed cases ... there are probably 30 cases in the county ... for now others need the ventilators more than we do. [BTW ... still looking for the evidence that ventilators generally save lives in COVID cases]. Beyond that: short term economic relief ... some direct checks TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM ... other relief via debt forgiveness (eg, student loans). Infrastructure stimulus is a good idea for long term economy ... not just roads and bridges, but 5g networks, etc... yreat internet as public utility and subsidize (on line education today shows us this is necessary). Beyond that: health care for all. No one should be hesitating to see a doctor or dying for lack of money for insulin. Beyond that: a comprehensive plan for pandemic response at federal, state and county levels. Beneath it all: reestablish trust in public information by not lying. First step out of a hole: stop digging.
Laxgun... is Hobart WS still open? I know they were/are one of the few colleges that gave students the option to come back to campus after Spring break.
No, that only lasted about a day. All classes are online and everyone is working from home. The only kids on campus are those who couldn't go home for some reason ... unsafe homes, complicated Visa issues, vulnerable parents/grandparents at home...
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Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:56 am
tech37 wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:52 am
Laxgunea wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:31 am In the short term: stay inside, wash hands, stop smoking, drop weight, don't hoard, wear a mask. Beyond that: send the ventilators where they're needed. Geneva General has 2 confirmed cases ... there are probably 30 cases in the county ... for now others need the ventilators more than we do. [BTW ... still looking for the evidence that ventilators generally save lives in COVID cases]. Beyond that: short term economic relief ... some direct checks TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM ... other relief via debt forgiveness (eg, student loans). Infrastructure stimulus is a good idea for long term economy ... not just roads and bridges, but 5g networks, etc... yreat internet as public utility and subsidize (on line education today shows us this is necessary). Beyond that: health care for all. No one should be hesitating to see a doctor or dying for lack of money for insulin. Beyond that: a comprehensive plan for pandemic response at federal, state and county levels. Beneath it all: reestablish trust in public information by not lying. First step out of a hole: stop digging.
Laxgun... is Hobart WS still open? I know they were/are one of the few colleges that gave students the option to come back to campus after Spring break.
No, that only lasted about a day. All classes are online and everyone is working from home. The only kids on campus are those who couldn't go home for some reason ... unsafe homes, complicated Visa issues, vulnerable parents/grandparents at home...
Got it...thanks
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RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:43 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am I look at things POSITIVELY. Trump or No Trump.
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:24 am 6ft has a valid point. The Fanlax 'experts' don't have any unique solutions other than what everyone else already knows ('social distance to start') then let's hope for a fast vaccine (which is coming). Yet, the 'experts' primary ethos here seems to be Trump-bashing (when reality says the Chinese should be your first point of concern, by far).
+2
The problem with just blaming the Chinese is that it does nothing to solve the problem that we have in this country right now. We are in the midst of a pandemic and the principle concern is getting through it with minimal damage - both to people and the economy.

So the reason Trump gets bashed (and quite rightly so) is that his reactions to the crisis remain a comedy of errors and neglect. Finally yesterday he tells the country that you should wear masks in public. But maybe not. He is not going to wear one. It would not be presidential.

This is not the language of a leader, and we sorely need one. The POTUS is uniquely positioned to have a maximum effect - but you actually have to lead a unified effort, not play defense and just react all the time. That is why - no matter how you may dislike them or their policies - certain governors have stepped up (NY, MD, MA, MI for example) and others have been mostly absent (GA, FL, AL, MS). The ones who have stepped up have had the more serious problems earlier - and the ones mostly absent seem particularly weak because they seem to need cover from the President who for the most part has only grudgingly and haltingly move more in the right direction.
Really?

He's added over 5000 beds to NY City. Staffed the 2900 bed Javitts center after it became a COVID treatment venue. Supplied medical supplies in abundance and sent thousands of ventilators that were misplaced in an Edison NJ warehouse.
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The U.S. was beset by denial and dysfunction as the coronavirus raged
From the Oval Office to the CDC, political and institutional failures cascaded through the system and opportunities to mitigate the pandemic were lost.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... rc404=true
It did not have to happen this way. Though not perfectly prepared, the United States had more expertise, resources, plans and epidemiological experience than dozens of countries that ultimately fared far better in fending off the virus.

The failure has echoes of the period leading up to 9/11: Warnings were sounded, including at the highest levels of government, but the president was deaf to them until the enemy had already struck.

The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.

Trump’s baseless assertions in those weeks, including his claim that it would all just “miraculously” go away, sowed significant public confusion and contradicted the urgent messages of public health experts.

“While the media would rather speculate about outrageous claims of palace intrigue, President Trump and this Administration remain completely focused on the health and safety of the American people with around the clock work to slow the spread of the virus, expand testing, and expedite vaccine development," said Judd Deere, a spokesman for the president. "Because of the President’s leadership we will emerge from this challenge healthy, stronger, and with a prosperous and growing economy.”

Great if sad read. Way too long to quote more...

But the president’s behavior and combative statements were merely a visible layer on top of deeper levels of dysfunction.
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6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:01 am
RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:43 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am I look at things POSITIVELY. Trump or No Trump.
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:24 am 6ft has a valid point. The Fanlax 'experts' don't have any unique solutions other than what everyone else already knows ('social distance to start') then let's hope for a fast vaccine (which is coming). Yet, the 'experts' primary ethos here seems to be Trump-bashing (when reality says the Chinese should be your first point of concern, by far).
+2
The problem with just blaming the Chinese is that it does nothing to solve the problem that we have in this country right now. We are in the midst of a pandemic and the principle concern is getting through it with minimal damage - both to people and the economy.

So the reason Trump gets bashed (and quite rightly so) is that his reactions to the crisis remain a comedy of errors and neglect. Finally yesterday he tells the country that you should wear masks in public. But maybe not. He is not going to wear one. It would not be presidential.

This is not the language of a leader, and we sorely need one. The POTUS is uniquely positioned to have a maximum effect - but you actually have to lead a unified effort, not play defense and just react all the time. That is why - no matter how you may dislike them or their policies - certain governors have stepped up (NY, MD, MA, MI for example) and others have been mostly absent (GA, FL, AL, MS). The ones who have stepped up have had the more serious problems earlier - and the ones mostly absent seem particularly weak because they seem to need cover from the President who for the most part has only grudgingly and haltingly move more in the right direction.
Really?

He's added over 5000 beds to NY City. Staffed the 2900 bed Javitts center after it became a COVID treatment venue. Supplied medical supplies in abundance and sent thousands of ventilators that were misplaced in an Edison NJ warehouse.
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.



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youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.



#OrangeManBad :roll:
Read the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:
In a meeting in the Situation Room in mid-February, Fauci and Redfield told White House officials that there was no evidence yet of worrisome person-to-person transmission in the United States. In hindsight, it appears almost certain that the virus was taking hold in communities at that point. But even the country’s top experts had little meaningful data about the domestic dimensions of the threat. Fauci later conceded that as they learned more their views changed.

At the same time the president’s subordinates were growing increasingly alarmed, Trump continued to exhibit little concern. On Feb. 10, he held a political rally in New Hampshire attended by thousands where he declared that “by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

The New Hampshire rally was one of eight that Trump held after he had been told by Azar about the coronavirus, a period when he also went to his golf courses six times.

A day earlier, on Feb. 9, a group of governors in town for a black-tie gala at the White House secured a private meeting with Fauci and Redfield. The briefing rattled many of the governors, bearing little resemblance to the words of the president. “The doctors and the scientists, they were telling us then exactly what they are saying now,” Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said.

That month, federal medical and public health officials were emailing increasingly dire forecasts amongst themselves, with one Veterans Affairs medical adviser warning, ‘We are flying blind,’” according to emails obtained by the watchdog group American Oversight.

Later in February, U.S. officials discovered indications that the CDC laboratory was failing to meet basic quality-control standards. On a Feb. 27 conference call with a range of health officials, a senior FDA official lashed out at the CDC for its repeated lapses.

Jeffrey Shuren, the FDA’s director for devices and radiological health, told the CDC that if it were subjected to the same scrutiny as a privately run lab, “I would shut you down.”
We still don't have anywhere near the number of tests we should have (or even what the President promised some weeks ago).
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youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:01 am
RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:56 am
youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:43 am
6ftstick wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:12 am I look at things POSITIVELY. Trump or No Trump.
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:24 am 6ft has a valid point. The Fanlax 'experts' don't have any unique solutions other than what everyone else already knows ('social distance to start') then let's hope for a fast vaccine (which is coming). Yet, the 'experts' primary ethos here seems to be Trump-bashing (when reality says the Chinese should be your first point of concern, by far).
+2
The problem with just blaming the Chinese is that it does nothing to solve the problem that we have in this country right now. We are in the midst of a pandemic and the principle concern is getting through it with minimal damage - both to people and the economy.

So the reason Trump gets bashed (and quite rightly so) is that his reactions to the crisis remain a comedy of errors and neglect. Finally yesterday he tells the country that you should wear masks in public. But maybe not. He is not going to wear one. It would not be presidential.

This is not the language of a leader, and we sorely need one. The POTUS is uniquely positioned to have a maximum effect - but you actually have to lead a unified effort, not play defense and just react all the time. That is why - no matter how you may dislike them or their policies - certain governors have stepped up (NY, MD, MA, MI for example) and others have been mostly absent (GA, FL, AL, MS). The ones who have stepped up have had the more serious problems earlier - and the ones mostly absent seem particularly weak because they seem to need cover from the President who for the most part has only grudgingly and haltingly move more in the right direction.
Really?

He's added over 5000 beds to NY City. Staffed the 2900 bed Javitts center after it became a COVID treatment venue. Supplied medical supplies in abundance and sent thousands of ventilators that were misplaced in an Edison NJ warehouse.
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.



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YA, you're not getting it...Trump forced him to say those things :roll:
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RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 am
youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.



#OrangeManBad :roll:
Read the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:
I did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.

Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are pissed at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
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Come on 6', you really come across as just a one-track Lib Hater that can't see much beyond that hatred, and it skews every response you make...you're like that angry old man that sits on his porch and hollers at kids on bikes cutting across a tiny corner of your yard... :lol:

Yeah, it's a B!TCH that the economy is being shut own, but that is what seems to be the inevitable result in the short run whether we all like it or not. Is the shut-down economy Trump's fault? of course it isn't...no more than the "booming economy" that preceded it was because of him. My post up-thread was an attempt to answer dMac's question and yes, what is somewhat obvious to many of us are exactly the kinds of things that are being done IN SPITE of the guy sitting in the Oval Office. I can see why guys like 6 would be so angry about this as it may well contribute to an administration change in the fall...

I'm hoping that the testing thing can get resolved enough by mid-summer when my wife and i are 'sposed to get on planes and travel a couple times to family weddings in distant states...hoping maybe we'll be able to test often enough to get some sort of badge - or some way of indicating that you've tested and when - maybe right before stepping on a plane, i feel for these kids that are just trying to live their lives like normal at this point.

We were told yesterday to stay home til the end of April with pay, so i count myself as VERY lucky to be in this situation, kind of an extended "snow day" at home, where i enjoy reading these pages and often shaking my head at the LDS (Lib Derangement Syndrome) exhibited by some here...

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Three democrat debates all through February 25.

Not one question about the pandemic. NOT ONE.
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Trump hadn't FORKED IT UP major league by then...whaddaya EXPECT of the debates, Angry Old Guy?

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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:15 pm
3rdPersonPlural wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:04 pm Some people are sticking close to home. Others aren't. God bless the south.

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It’s amazing to see liberals here repost a map where the guy who put it up originally is absolutely getting slaughtered on Twitter, causing him to retract the original thesis. The real problem is finding liberals who are NOT filled with hate, rage, or snark against those they think are inferior to them.

UHHH, 3rd person, not sure liberals can wrap their brains around the idea that grocery stores and places of work in rural areas are often more than two miles away. Not everyone has access to a corner bodega.
This isn't a Liberal indictment of Conservative thinking, or a chart of absolute miles driven which (correctly) was dismissed on Twitter. This chart records trends in comparative distance traveled before the outbreak and after.

Clearly, there is more respect for the shelter in place request coming through the white house in some places than in others. Clearly States with shelter in place orders from Governors (regardless of political affiliation) have curtailed movement more than those without. Outside of New Orleans, LA is hard to tell apart from MS, but LA has clearly moved less, and MS is still largely unflinching. Rural Alabama is no more rural than the boonies of MI or Upper NY, but activity clearly hasn't slowed much down there, as it has in NY and MI.

A (fairly liberal) friend noted that agricultural activity happens earlier in the spring the further south you go, but Cotton, for instance, is an April planting. Ag activity tends to keep people on the farm anyway.
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What? Pete misinterpreted a map and used that to take a gratuitous swipe at his liberal tormentors?? Laudy, say it AIN'T SO! Another victim of LDS taking his lumps...

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youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:22 am
RedFromMI wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:12 am
youthathletics wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:07 am (omitte)
Are you all now going to blame Trump for "LISTENING" to Fauci back on January 21st? Enough of the blame game.



#OrangeManBad :roll:
Read the WaPo article I posted. Fauci changed his tune within a couple of weeks:
I did read it, that does not change a darned thing. Fauci SCREWED UP and he is the #1 guy as a medical adviser in this mess.

Pick a lane Red. You all are bashing Trump constantly....some worthy. I proved in the video Facui screwed up...BIGLY, Trump clearly listened to him and counted on the Cornell/NIH directors advice...Trump walks it out AFTER listening to Facui.....and many like you....shoot Trump for it. It's okay to to hate Trump.....but maybe you should come out and say you are ticked at Fauci for advising our President incorrectly.
Fauci had clearly changed his tune by mid February - but Trump was NOT listening to him then. He was listening instead to a lot of other non-expert voices like Hannity et al.

And yes - Fauci screwed up early, but fixed his views fairly early. But the administration as a whole at the top delayed and delayed. There were efforts (Mulvaney convening meetings, Azar working with his head down to avoid the scrutiny of Trump) that were happening underneath, but if you don't have the leader, you are not going to make much progress.

You cannot place all the blame on Fauci - but what ever happened to "the buck stops here?" Oh - “I don’t take responsibility at all.” —Donald J Trump
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