All things CoronaVirus

[6ftstick]

You do understand that at the current mortality rate of .66%—in order for 100K Americans to die in the next two weeks—15 MILLION Americans have to contract the virus. In the next two weeks. There are fewer than 1,000,000 confirmed cases GLOBALLY right now.

This will not be over in 2 weeks. Not even close.

Jezzus

The predictions were 100 to 240 thousand dead with the emphasis being the virus infection should peak in two weeks.

[ggait]

Six.

Do the doubling math on deaths for the next 3-5 weeks. You have a scenario that is below 100k deaths?

Not even Trump believes this is possible any more.

[jhu72]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

[ggait]

Pence would have done better than Trump.

Frankly, any normal human would have too.

[foreverlax]

You do understand that at the current mortality rate of .66%—in order for 100K Americans to die in the next two weeks—15 MILLION Americans have to contract the virus. In the next two weeks. There are fewer than 1,000,000 confirmed cases GLOBALLY right now.

This will not be over in 2 weeks. Not even close.

Jezzus

The predictions were 100 to 240 thousand dead with the emphasis being the virus infection should peak in two weeks.

Deaths will continue well beyond the peak....it's a lagging indicator. Plenty will be dying in May, June, and July.

[6ftstick]

You do understand that at the current mortality rate of .66%—in order for 100K Americans to die in the next two weeks—15 MILLION Americans have to contract the virus. In the next two weeks. There are fewer than 1,000,000 confirmed cases GLOBALLY right now.

This will not be over in 2 weeks. Not even close.

Jezzus

The predictions were 100 to 240 thousand dead with the emphasis being the virus infection should peak in two weeks.

Deaths will continue well beyond the peak....it's a lagging indicator. Plenty will be dying in May, June, and July.

At a far fewer rate of infection. Following the virus history globally the critical time is two weeks.

[jhu72]

Unlikely hot spot -- Albany GA. Spread among well wishers at funerals.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/georgia/2 ... -covid-19/

NY, NJ, MI & LA have all now passed WA & CA in number of deaths.
Mitigation is working in our first 2 hot spots.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... e-by-state

Big states and the governors got onto it early, even with less than a totally compliant populous in CA. I think it is too early to say they are out of the woods, but they are definitely two examples of playing smart catch up, seemingly paying off. Still too little testing in both places.

You do understand that at the current mortality rate of .66%—in order for 100K Americans to die in the next two weeks—15 MILLION Americans have to contract the virus. In the next two weeks. There are fewer than 1,000,000 confirmed cases GLOBALLY right now.

Stop all testing today!! See what happens to the .66% number over the next two weeks. The deaths per infection number HAS NO MEANING while the pandemic is running. It only has meaning at the end. Again - apply brain. The argument you are making is akin to saying when I stop testing, people will stop dying.

[jhu72]

Pence would have done better than Trump.

Frankly, any normal human would have too.

Agreed.

[CU88]

Who believes that the $1,200 checks will be issued in the announced time frame?

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/ar ... wart-virus

o d said in 2 weeks times, from his signing. Bill signed into Law on Friday March 27th, 4 days ago; 10 days until he promised checks in the hands of US citizens.

Will his signature be on those checks?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2020-03-28

[MDlaxfan76]

I agree that HRC would have handled this better, though not perfectly for sure.

I don't share Doc's degree of enthusiasm about HRC, but directionally he's correct.

There's almost no one who could have, much less would have, convinced so many people not to be concerned with "just the flu" than Trump. The degree of arrogance and petulance is unmatched, coupled with a megaphone unparalleled in our history. At a minimum, that's cost tens of thousands of lives and trillions of economic damage.

Jeb would have been immensely more competent, with instincts far superior at every darn step. Anyone actually question that, now?

Obama? Romney, McCain?

There's no question that any of these would have been far superior in their management of this challenge. None of them would have denied the science, the harsh reality of the impending calamity. And all of them would have called their government to action much earlier, demanding progress.

Which doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been screw ups, or that any of them would have necessarily put the country in lockdown soon enough to totally avoid the catastrophe (though weeks earlier).

There's no doubt in my mind that testing would not have been allowed to tumble along so slowly without the Chief Executive shaking it up much earlier.

And there's none of these who would have so dumbly said "we're not a shipping clerk" and resisted federalizing the supply and distribution of essential materials to combat the virus, from testing, to PPE's, to ventilators. That would have been moved on by any of these, early on.

And they'd be looking at the food system and getting PPE's to that channel. It's critical to keep that flowing.

It would still be very, very rough, but the magnitude of damage would have been much lower.

But here we are. We have the POTUS we have.
Thank god he appears to be scared now.
Still stupid, still petulant, but finally letting the science and truth be told to the American people.

And that's a good thing.

Mere speculation.

Prominent Democrats—late in February and early March—were advising people to "come on out take the subway, go to restaurants" "Enjoy Mardi Gras"
"lets show our chinese community how much we appreciate them and join in the New Year parade. Here in the year of the rat.

From the New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

“There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.” Barbot said during a Feb. 2 press conference addressing the pandemic.

Barbot was referring to a New York Chinatown parade, which celebrates China’s New Year and took place on Feb. 9. Barbot appeared to suggest Trump’s travel restrictions were racist in Feb. 2 tweet to her followers.

“I want to be clear, this is about a virus, not a group of people. There is NO excuse for anyone to discriminate or stigmatize people of Asian heritage. We are here today to urge all New Yorkers to continue to live their lives as usual,” she said.

You haven't a clue what would be different now if someone else was president. Not a clue

not sure we should even bother to try to explain stuff to you, 6ft.
You obviously don't want to listen at all.

[6ftstick]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

[6ftstick]

I agree that HRC would have handled this better, though not perfectly for sure.

I don't share Doc's degree of enthusiasm about HRC, but directionally he's correct.

There's almost no one who could have, much less would have, convinced so many people not to be concerned with "just the flu" than Trump. The degree of arrogance and petulance is unmatched, coupled with a megaphone unparalleled in our history. At a minimum, that's cost tens of thousands of lives and trillions of economic damage.

Jeb would have been immensely more competent, with instincts far superior at every darn step. Anyone actually question that, now?

Obama? Romney, McCain?

There's no question that any of these would have been far superior in their management of this challenge. None of them would have denied the science, the harsh reality of the impending calamity. And all of them would have called their government to action much earlier, demanding progress.

Which doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been screw ups, or that any of them would have necessarily put the country in lockdown soon enough to totally avoid the catastrophe (though weeks earlier).

There's no doubt in my mind that testing would not have been allowed to tumble along so slowly without the Chief Executive shaking it up much earlier.

And there's none of these who would have so dumbly said "we're not a shipping clerk" and resisted federalizing the supply and distribution of essential materials to combat the virus, from testing, to PPE's, to ventilators. That would have been moved on by any of these, early on.

And they'd be looking at the food system and getting PPE's to that channel. It's critical to keep that flowing.

It would still be very, very rough, but the magnitude of damage would have been much lower.

But here we are. We have the POTUS we have.
Thank god he appears to be scared now.
Still stupid, still petulant, but finally letting the science and truth be told to the American people.

And that's a good thing.

Mere speculation.

Prominent Democrats—late in February and early March—were advising people to "come on out take the subway, go to restaurants" "Enjoy Mardi Gras"
"lets show our chinese community how much we appreciate them and join in the New Year parade. Here in the year of the rat.

From the New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

“There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.” Barbot said during a Feb. 2 press conference addressing the pandemic.

Barbot was referring to a New York Chinatown parade, which celebrates China’s New Year and took place on Feb. 9. Barbot appeared to suggest Trump’s travel restrictions were racist in Feb. 2 tweet to her followers.

“I want to be clear, this is about a virus, not a group of people. There is NO excuse for anyone to discriminate or stigmatize people of Asian heritage. We are here today to urge all New Yorkers to continue to live their lives as usual,” she said.

You haven't a clue what would be different now if someone else was president. Not a clue

White flag noted.

[MDlaxfan76]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

not sure we should even bother to try to explain stuff to you, 6ft.
You obviously don't want to listen at all.

"virus was even here those 6 weeks" good lord

[MDlaxfan76]

I agree that HRC would have handled this better, though not perfectly for sure.

I don't share Doc's degree of enthusiasm about HRC, but directionally he's correct.

There's almost no one who could have, much less would have, convinced so many people not to be concerned with "just the flu" than Trump. The degree of arrogance and petulance is unmatched, coupled with a megaphone unparalleled in our history. At a minimum, that's cost tens of thousands of lives and trillions of economic damage.

Jeb would have been immensely more competent, with instincts far superior at every darn step. Anyone actually question that, now?

Obama? Romney, McCain?

There's no question that any of these would have been far superior in their management of this challenge. None of them would have denied the science, the harsh reality of the impending calamity. And all of them would have called their government to action much earlier, demanding progress.

Which doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been screw ups, or that any of them would have necessarily put the country in lockdown soon enough to totally avoid the catastrophe (though weeks earlier).

There's no doubt in my mind that testing would not have been allowed to tumble along so slowly without the Chief Executive shaking it up much earlier.

And there's none of these who would have so dumbly said "we're not a shipping clerk" and resisted federalizing the supply and distribution of essential materials to combat the virus, from testing, to PPE's, to ventilators. That would have been moved on by any of these, early on.

And they'd be looking at the food system and getting PPE's to that channel. It's critical to keep that flowing.

It would still be very, very rough, but the magnitude of damage would have been much lower.

But here we are. We have the POTUS we have.
Thank god he appears to be scared now.
Still stupid, still petulant, but finally letting the science and truth be told to the American people.

And that's a good thing.

Mere speculation.

Prominent Democrats—late in February and early March—were advising people to "come on out take the subway, go to restaurants" "Enjoy Mardi Gras"
"lets show our chinese community how much we appreciate them and join in the New Year parade. Here in the year of the rat.

From the New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

“There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.” Barbot said during a Feb. 2 press conference addressing the pandemic.

Barbot was referring to a New York Chinatown parade, which celebrates China’s New Year and took place on Feb. 9. Barbot appeared to suggest Trump’s travel restrictions were racist in Feb. 2 tweet to her followers.

“I want to be clear, this is about a virus, not a group of people. There is NO excuse for anyone to discriminate or stigmatize people of Asian heritage. We are here today to urge all New Yorkers to continue to live their lives as usual,” she said.

You haven't a clue what would be different now if someone else was president. Not a clue

White flag noted.

[6ftstick]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

not sure we should even bother to try to explain stuff to you, 6ft.
You obviously don't want to listen at all.

"virus was even here those 6 weeks" good lord

See Birx and Fauci

[Peter Brown]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

What a missed opportunity for The Clinton Foundation! They'd be shaking down anyone looking to get in on the gig, rolling in new donor dough. Bill would be trolling Jupiter FL Waffle House double-wide trailer waitresses with Tiger. Hilary would be in her best element, a one-woman wrecking-ball authoritarian, barking orders and arresting dissidents like a female Josef Stalin.

Life would be grand.

[Matnum PI]

White flag noted.

Another Trumpism. The ultimate goal isn't the truth and doing what's right. e.g. Accepting the Coronavirus is real and will kill Americans in large numbers and acting accordingly. The ultimate goal is "winning".

[jhu72]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

Thanks, stupid flag noted.

[RedFromMI]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

First CV case in US was 1/20/2020. Patient was visiting family in Wuhan and had recently returned to Seattle area. It is fairly clear that he spread the disease to a number of people in that area, leading to an intense local outbreak (including more than one nursing home). However it was not clear about the other cases (community spread) for some time. By early March, other travelers (not coming from China) had brought in cases.

The virus was present - but for the most part it wasn't widely known and was at a fairly low level until March.

[MDlaxfan76]

he handled this like a class a buffoon.
in our 2 party system, joe biden is the presumptive candidate. hillary? he/she would get to a much different outcome? please. you're delusional if you think that would happen.

we don't elect leaders that can lead in a crises or bring folks together anymore. we elect folks that lead parties.

as you said, south korea went thru it and was prepared. we were not. dismissing culture is your prerogative but also misguided, imo.

You are delusional if you think Hillary would have gone into denial and done nothing for six weeks. Those six weeks of inaction were the ballgame.

DocBarrister

Agreed. Lots has gone wrong. You can't blame everything on Trump. What you can however say that is so obviously true, is that Trump does not like listening to experts, he is threatened by them. He is the expert! This caused a significant delay in meaningful action while he whipped up his base against the position of the experts. Pretty much any "normal" president of either party would have handled the situation better. Everyone of his immediate predecessors would have done better. Hillary believes in experts - she would have handled it better. You already see some governors doing better jobs than others. Enough of the TAATS horseshlt.

You must have missed the presser yesterday.

Fauci and Birx both said they have no data yet that supports the position that the virus was even here during those 6 weeks.The only thing that would be different now is that we'd have been in isolation for 5 weeks instead of 15 days and the economy would be crippled.

Hillary Clinton wasn't smart enough to protect an american embassy in Libya on the first anniversary of 911 after we killed Bin Laden.

not sure we should even bother to try to explain stuff to you, 6ft.
You obviously don't want to listen at all.

"virus was even here those 6 weeks" good lord

See Birx and Fauci

I watched them. Perhaps I missed them both say something absolutely stupid and untrue?

I doubt it.