All things CoronaVirus

[MDlaxfan76]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

[MDlaxfan76]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

I'm detecting positivity and hope from one group of Americans, negativity and fear from the other. Guess which one is more prone to authoritarianism?

No, you're detecting true stupidity in the post above, check the pop comparison.
You're also detecting the willingness of the acolytes of the populist authoritarian to accept total fiction as truth.

[kramerica.inc]

(CNN)Access to abortion is an essential service and a fundamental human right.

DocBarrister

It's actually not. It's a "choice."

Choice = Elective.

You make the leap and talk about blood on people's hands who voted for Trump due to the Chinese Corona Virus but support abortions as a "fundamental human right?"

The dramatic irony is thick here people... Thanks for entertaining us, Doc.

[6ftstick]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

[MDlaxfan76]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

[MDlaxfan76]

(CNN)Access to abortion is an essential service and a fundamental human right.

DocBarrister

It's actually not. It's a "choice."

Choice = Elective.

You make the leap and talk about blood on people's hands who voted for Trump due to the Chinese Corona Virus but support abortions as a "fundamental human right?"

The dramatic irony is thick here people... Thanks for entertaining us, Doc.

So, you want them to wait until 3rd trimester???

[6ftstick]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

I compared the WHOLE COUNTRY.

Explain what would be different right now as this virus peaks in two weeks.

[Bart]

How many people, in the USA, have tested positive to the annual INFLUENZA, this season ? Can't find that stat. Please help.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Wait....what, the CDC, has a 20,000 body count difference....for just THIS FLU season ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... delers-say

This year's flu season started picking up steam around Thanksgiving.

The CDC doesn't test everyone who has flu symptoms to be certain they really have flu, rather than some other viral infection. Still, the CDC estimates are reckoned to be pretty accurate, and they are updated regularly.

"So far this season we've had between 30 and 40 million illnesses in the United States," Martin says.


Of that number, about half were ill enough to seek medical care, and between 300,000 to 500,000 people required hospitalization.


The CDC estimates that there have been 20,000 to 40,000 deaths in the United States so far this year.

Just for comparison, that's a thousand times more deaths in the United States than have been blamed on the coronavirus so far.

3000 dead as of tonight. This year's flu is only 10 times more. The flu season is basically over. It is not clear coronavirus has a season. Everyone thinks it may slowdown over the summer, but that is very far from clear. That is also a slowdown - NOT A HALT. We will lose a lot more before this is over.

Only 10X more. Like it's nothing.

6ft, you've been on the board long enough to have seen the math. And unless you had your head stuck up some dark place the last 24 hours, you heard Birx say that if we do everything going forward "almost perfectly" we will be in the 100k-200k range. And it's well recognized that we aren't doing everything 'almost perfectly'. Trump may say everything's 'perfect' but we all do know better, and even Trump is telling the nation to stay home for another 30 days, with the potential of longer.

You know this.
So, please don't repeat the same dumb stuff just to troll.

These numbers are bandied like they are set in stone. They could go up. They could also GO DOWN. It appears while Fauci did say these numbers he also indicated that it is kind of useless to put them out there because the situation is fluid. It seems like people think this is a done deal.

Are things going to be perfect? Nope. But they will change. Are they learning things at he expense of the people in NYC as the epicenter? Yup. Could that decrease the future impact in other cities? I should hope so.

[MDlaxfan76]

How many people, in the USA, have tested positive to the annual INFLUENZA, this season ? Can't find that stat. Please help.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Wait....what, the CDC, has a 20,000 body count difference....for just THIS FLU season ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... delers-say

This year's flu season started picking up steam around Thanksgiving.

The CDC doesn't test everyone who has flu symptoms to be certain they really have flu, rather than some other viral infection. Still, the CDC estimates are reckoned to be pretty accurate, and they are updated regularly.

"So far this season we've had between 30 and 40 million illnesses in the United States," Martin says.


Of that number, about half were ill enough to seek medical care, and between 300,000 to 500,000 people required hospitalization.


The CDC estimates that there have been 20,000 to 40,000 deaths in the United States so far this year.

Just for comparison, that's a thousand times more deaths in the United States than have been blamed on the coronavirus so far.

3000 dead as of tonight. This year's flu is only 10 times more. The flu season is basically over. It is not clear coronavirus has a season. Everyone thinks it may slowdown over the summer, but that is very far from clear. That is also a slowdown - NOT A HALT. We will lose a lot more before this is over.

Only 10X more. Like it's nothing.

6ft, you've been on the board long enough to have seen the math. And unless you had your head stuck up some dark place the last 24 hours, you heard Birx say that if we do everything going forward "almost perfectly" we will be in the 100k-200k range. And it's well recognized that we aren't doing everything 'almost perfectly'. Trump may say everything's 'perfect' but we all do know better, and even Trump is telling the nation to stay home for another 30 days, with the potential of longer.

You know this.
So, please don't repeat the same dumb stuff just to troll.

These numbers are bandied like they are set in stone. They could go up. They could also GO DOWN. It appears while Fauci did say these numbers he also indicated that it is kind of useless to put them out there because the situation is fluid. It seems like people think this is a done deal.

Are things going to be perfect? Nope. But they will change. Are they learning things at he expense of the people in NYC as the epicenter? Yup. Could that decrease the future impact in other cities? I should hope so.

I agree with this Bart. I hope to god that we don't have 100K + deaths.

But when people keep comparing CV-19 to flu, as if flu is "10X" worse, it's become disgusting.

I'm sorry, "we" (the scientists advising the White House and anyone listening) knew that CV-19 had the potential to kill millions of Americans whereas the flu was a predictable lower problem and manageable without overwhelming our health system.

We knew it end of January and throughout February, yet Trump claims to have just now, apparently this weekend, heard that it could kill millions if unimpeded.

I'm tired of the flu is just as bad or worse, BS. Getting testy.

[Kismet]

DOPUS has now lost one of his biggest supporters in NY - Sportstalk host Mike Francesa - watch his rant from yesterday especially starting at about 1:20
talking about Mr. My Pillow in the Rose Garden while people in NYC are dying by the 100s.

https://twitter.com/BackAftaThis/status ... 3281508352

While I am not a big fan of the so-called SportsPope - he is sadly on the money here.

[6ftstick]

How many people, in the USA, have tested positive to the annual INFLUENZA, this season ? Can't find that stat. Please help.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Wait....what, the CDC, has a 20,000 body count difference....for just THIS FLU season ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... delers-say

This year's flu season started picking up steam around Thanksgiving.

The CDC doesn't test everyone who has flu symptoms to be certain they really have flu, rather than some other viral infection. Still, the CDC estimates are reckoned to be pretty accurate, and they are updated regularly.

"So far this season we've had between 30 and 40 million illnesses in the United States," Martin says.


Of that number, about half were ill enough to seek medical care, and between 300,000 to 500,000 people required hospitalization.


The CDC estimates that there have been 20,000 to 40,000 deaths in the United States so far this year.

Just for comparison, that's a thousand times more deaths in the United States than have been blamed on the coronavirus so far.

3000 dead as of tonight. This year's flu is only 10 times more. The flu season is basically over. It is not clear coronavirus has a season. Everyone thinks it may slowdown over the summer, but that is very far from clear. That is also a slowdown - NOT A HALT. We will lose a lot more before this is over.

Only 10X more. Like it's nothing.

6ft, you've been on the board long enough to have seen the math. And unless you had your head stuck up some dark place the last 24 hours, you heard Birx say that if we do everything going forward "almost perfectly" we will be in the 100k-200k range. And it's well recognized that we aren't doing everything 'almost perfectly'. Trump may say everything's 'perfect' but we all do know better, and even Trump is telling the nation to stay home for another 30 days, with the potential of longer.

You know this.
So, please don't repeat the same dumb stuff just to troll.

These numbers are bandied like they are set in stone. They could go up. They could also GO DOWN. It appears while Fauci did say these numbers he also indicated that it is kind of useless to put them out there because the situation is fluid. It seems like people think this is a done deal.

Are things going to be perfect? Nope. But they will change. Are they learning things at he expense of the people in NYC as the epicenter? Yup. Could that decrease the future impact in other cities? I should hope so.

I agree with this Bart. I hope to god that we don't have 100K + deaths.

But when people keep comparing CV-19 to flu, as if flu is "10X" worse, it's become disgusting.

I'm sorry, "we" (the scientists advising the White House and anyone listening) knew that CV-19 had the potential to kill millions of Americans whereas the flu was a predictable lower problem and manageable without overwhelming our health system.

We knew it end of January and throughout February, yet Trump claims to have just now, apparently this weekend, heard that it could kill millions if unimpeded.

I'm tired of the flu is just as bad or worse, BS. Getting testy.

Pardon me JHU said that 30,000 FLU deaths were ONLY 10K worse than Coronavirus. Only. Like those 30 deaths were meaningless.

[MDlaxfan76]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

I compared the WHOLE COUNTRY.

Explain what would be different right now as this virus peaks in two weeks.

First, there's no way in hell this virus peaks in 2 weeks in the US.
No one with a shred of credibility believes that to be the case.
There are numerous hotspots around the country at the very beginning of their growth curves.

Second, while we should have had a running start and with all our sophistication, premier health care system, etc we should outperform other developed countries in outcome.

Yet, we're going to be worse per capita in any area where the virus gets on that growth track.

Failure of leadership.

[MDlaxfan76]

How many people, in the USA, have tested positive to the annual INFLUENZA, this season ? Can't find that stat. Please help.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

Wait....what, the CDC, has a 20,000 body count difference....for just THIS FLU season ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... delers-say

This year's flu season started picking up steam around Thanksgiving.

The CDC doesn't test everyone who has flu symptoms to be certain they really have flu, rather than some other viral infection. Still, the CDC estimates are reckoned to be pretty accurate, and they are updated regularly.

"So far this season we've had between 30 and 40 million illnesses in the United States," Martin says.


Of that number, about half were ill enough to seek medical care, and between 300,000 to 500,000 people required hospitalization.


The CDC estimates that there have been 20,000 to 40,000 deaths in the United States so far this year.

Just for comparison, that's a thousand times more deaths in the United States than have been blamed on the coronavirus so far.

3000 dead as of tonight. This year's flu is only 10 times more. The flu season is basically over. It is not clear coronavirus has a season. Everyone thinks it may slowdown over the summer, but that is very far from clear. That is also a slowdown - NOT A HALT. We will lose a lot more before this is over.

Only 10X more. Like it's nothing.

6ft, you've been on the board long enough to have seen the math. And unless you had your head stuck up some dark place the last 24 hours, you heard Birx say that if we do everything going forward "almost perfectly" we will be in the 100k-200k range. And it's well recognized that we aren't doing everything 'almost perfectly'. Trump may say everything's 'perfect' but we all do know better, and even Trump is telling the nation to stay home for another 30 days, with the potential of longer.

You know this.
So, please don't repeat the same dumb stuff just to troll.

These numbers are bandied like they are set in stone. They could go up. They could also GO DOWN. It appears while Fauci did say these numbers he also indicated that it is kind of useless to put them out there because the situation is fluid. It seems like people think this is a done deal.

Are things going to be perfect? Nope. But they will change. Are they learning things at he expense of the people in NYC as the epicenter? Yup. Could that decrease the future impact in other cities? I should hope so.

I agree with this Bart. I hope to god that we don't have 100K + deaths.

But when people keep comparing CV-19 to flu, as if flu is "10X" worse, it's become disgusting.

I'm sorry, "we" (the scientists advising the White House and anyone listening) knew that CV-19 had the potential to kill millions of Americans whereas the flu was a predictable lower problem and manageable without overwhelming our health system.

We knew it end of January and throughout February, yet Trump claims to have just now, apparently this weekend, heard that it could kill millions if unimpeded.

I'm tired of the flu is just as bad or worse, BS. Getting testy.

Pardon me JHU said that 30,000 FLU deaths were ONLY 10K worse than Coronavirus. Only. Like those 30 deaths were meaningless.

You really didn't understand his point?
The geometric progression plus mortality rate of CV versus the flu.
Flu "only 10x" over whole year, right now...with CV-19 deaths doubling every few days?
CV19 blows past flu soon. And then way way worse.

Of course 30k is a big #.
But it's managed annually without a collapse of the healthcare system.

[6ftstick]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

I compared the WHOLE COUNTRY.

Explain what would be different right now as this virus peaks in two weeks.

First, there's no way in hell this virus peaks in 2 weeks in the US.
No one with a shred of credibility believes that to be the case.
There are numerous hotspots around the country at the very beginning of their growth curves.

Second, while we should have had a running start and with all our sophistication, premier health care system, etc we should outperform other developed countries in outcome.

Yet, we're going to be worse per capita in any area where the virus gets on that growth track.

Failure of leadership.

OK even though I've heard on some reports the peak could be in two weeks. Say its in two months.

Thats then the natural life of the pandemic. So how do you smart guys negate that.This bug was gonna advance from December till may.

No platitudes. What should have been done differently.

[MDlaxfan76]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

I compared the WHOLE COUNTRY.

Explain what would be different right now as this virus peaks in two weeks.

First, there's no way in hell this virus peaks in 2 weeks in the US.
No one with a shred of credibility believes that to be the case.
There are numerous hotspots around the country at the very beginning of their growth curves.

Second, while we should have had a running start and with all our sophistication, premier health care system, etc we should outperform other developed countries in outcome.

Yet, we're going to be worse per capita in any area where the virus gets on that growth track.

Failure of leadership.

OK even though I've heard on some reports the peak could be in two weeks. Say its in two months.

Thats then the natural life of the pandemic. So how do you smart guys negate that.This bug was gonna advance from December till may.

No platitudes. What should have been done differently.

You're exhausting me.

I wrote a long list of immediate priorities for PB. Look back through the thread.

We've also talked about what should have been done sooner...you know, as if we really did know that millions could die, the economy would need to be shut down for some period, that our healthcare system could collapse, that our food system could collapse...if we didn't take early aggressive action.

Some countries, with less warning, did react immediately and aggressively.
They understood that the science is what matters, not their wishing it away.
They will ultimately have much better outcomes, both health and economy.

But don't kid yourself that this all goes away in 2 months. We may (and let's pray that we do) get a respite in July-August, but that's just if sunlight does help. Good chance of that, but there's some contrary evidence as well. But if so it only means that we will see this ramp again in September and through next year. Hopefully, as Fauci says, we will be far better prepared for that problem, but if the key knuckleheads in the White House and out in the public think we can really relax, we won't be sufficiently prepared.

[kramerica.inc]

Fortunately #FilmYourHospital is trending on Twitter.

I'm not a Corona Virus denier. It's real and it's here. But the disparity in what the news is reporting and how the hospitals are handling the reality right now is quite astonishing.

It's true- "If it bleeds, it leads." And the .gov is pushing the talking points/stories because it wants only those seriously ill to use the hospital system. So it makes sense that the media is regularly featuring hospitals that are overwhelmed. But that's not true everywhere.

Many hospitals are doing well and not yet overwhelmed. Even in hotspots. I'm glad to see it, as hopefully when this all subsides, we'll see the curve was indeed flattened by stringent social distancing.

[RedFromMI]

Fortunately #FilmYourHospital is trending on Twitter.

I'm not a Corona Virus denier. It's real and it's here. But the disparity in what the news is reporting and how the hospitals are handling the reality right now is quite astonishing.

It's true- "If it bleeds, it leads." And the .gov is pushing the talking points/stories because it wants only those seriously ill to use the hospital system. So it makes sense that the media is regularly featuring hospitals that are overwhelmed. But that's not true everywhere.

Many hospitals are doing well and not yet overwhelmed. Even in hotspots. I'm glad to see it, as hopefully when this all subsides, we'll see the curve was indeed flattened by stringent social distancing.

Not true everywhere YET. And some of those videos/pictures of hospitals showing empty parking lots, etc. are looking at service/delivery/visitor entrances. Aint nobody visiting CV patients at this time - the hospitals will not allow it for very good reasons. That is why the parking lots are empty.

And the problem with social distancing is that it is so far woefully inadequate/missing in large parts of the country. The best current models seem to put the death totals at around 100K-200K if we do a nearly perfect job at social distancing through the month of May. That seems to be the best case scenario.

[MDlaxfan76]

Fortunately #FilmYourHospital is trending on Twitter.

I'm not a Corona Virus denier. It's real and it's here. But the disparity in what the news is reporting and how the hospitals are handling the reality right now is quite astonishing.

It's true- "If it bleeds, it leads." And the .gov is pushing the talking points/stories because it wants only those seriously ill to use the hospital system. So it makes sense that the media is regularly featuring hospitals that are overwhelmed. But that's not true everywhere.

Many hospitals are doing well and not yet overwhelmed. Even in hotspots. I'm glad to see it, as hopefully when this all subsides, we'll see the curve was indeed flattened by stringent social distancing.

Not true everywhere YET. And some of those videos/pictures of hospitals showing empty parking lots, etc. are looking at service/delivery/visitor entrances. Aint nobody visiting CV patients at this time - the hospitals will not allow it for very good reasons. That is why the parking lots are empty.

And the problem with social distancing is that it is so far woefully inadequate/missing in large parts of the country. The best current models seem to put the death totals at around 100K-200K if we do a nearly perfect job at social distancing through the month of May. That seems to be the best case scenario.

I'm not sure how those #'s don't lead to a collapse of health systems in some areas.
Not just one hospital here or there, but across the board in those areas.

I also don't see how this doesn't also overwhelm some rural hospitals if a hotspot blooms.

Hope and pray I'm wrong.

Kram, our area is better than most dense areas right now...I think we'd be in really good shape (vis a vis health system collapse) if we'd had fast and available testing throughout Maryland in early March...we still don't have this. Otherwise, I think we've been taking most of the right steps. I worry it was too late though.

[kramerica.inc]

"YET" is the operative word.
It's likely just a matter of time.
I'd be glad to be completely 100% wrong on this one, but I think the worst is yet to come in the US.

[DocBarrister]

The White House’s coronavirus coordinator on Monday warned that the pandemic could kill as many as 200,000 Americans in even a best-case scenario as state officials intensified their stay-at-home directives — further erasing any hope that the country would have a speedy recovery from the global health crisis.

As deaths across the world from covid-19 climbed above 37,000 and those in the United States rose to more than 2,900, federal and state officials offered grim warnings that the country should expect things to get worse before they get better.

Deborah Birx, the coronavirus coordinator, told NBC News that the United States could record 200,000 deaths even “if we do things together well, almost perfectly.” President Trump, who a day earlier announced that officials would extend their guidance to Americans to practice social distancing through the end of April, said the move was necessary to prevent catastrophe: He now expects that virus-related deaths will not peak for an additional two weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

By comparison, South Korea, which identified its first case on the same day as the United States, has fewer than 10,000 cases and fewer than 200 deaths.

The difference?

South Korea responded immediately while Trump delayed action for 6 precious weeks while he indulged in his narcissistic delusions.

If you supported Trump, you share in the moral culpability for his catastrophic failure of leadership ... and possibly the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent American souls.

We warned you ... Trump was unfit to be president. Your failure to heed that warning has resulted in this unfolding tragedy.

DocBarrister

By comparison

South Korea is the size of Missouri and has 1/6th the population.

And still as of yesterday we've tested a million people they've tested only 395,000. Thats why we have more cases.

You must have gone to Trump University.

check your population #'s again...google is a wonderful tool.

You're out to lunch on this.

Population south Korea 51 million.

Population United states 327 million
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... opulation/

Missouri 6.4 million. Not that Missouri is relevant.

Want to compare NY, southern Conn, northern NJ...to SK?
That area is pretty darn comparable to SK.

And they're getting close on testing...now.
But look at the radical difference in when they did the tests from date of first detection.
That's why the outcome will be so much worse in NY, Conn, NJ.

Watch the death rate soar per capita in that area.

Or just use NY.
Smaller population than Korea...going to blow past them on deaths.
Yet we knew far ahead.

For what it’s worth, Missouri, with a population only 1/8 that of South Korea, had more new confirmed coronavirus cases yesterday (Missouri 128 vs. South Korea 125).

In addition, South Korea has had far fewer confirmed cases and deaths per capita than the U.S.

The timing of tests also matter. A test performed 6 weeks ago is far more valuable in preventing the pandemic than a test performed yesterday. South Korea performed extensive testing extremely early, and got the pandemic under control in about 20 days.

In contrast, Trump did little to nothing for six weeks while he was in complete denial and now we are looking at potentially tens of thousands of American deaths.

If you continue to support Trump, you are morally complicit in those unnecessary deaths.

DocBarrister