Progressive Ideology

[Brooklyn]

"But are you really comparing Obama's slipping into that territory a couple of times with what Trump is doing daily, every day, ramping up higher and higher?"

Right: a couple of times in 8 years. There is no point of or basis for comparison. To my knowledge, Obama never told any reporter that their question was stupid; and never characterized the media as the enemy of the people; or demanded "respect" in exchange for credentials. The Apologists for Trump never fail to exceed expectations on this board.

Trump - liar-in-chief:


https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... ants-fire/






This probably tells us more about his fan boys than it does about him.

[runrussellrun]

"But are you really comparing Obama's slipping into that territory a couple of times with what Trump is doing daily, every day, ramping up higher and higher?"

Right: a couple of times in 8 years. There is no point of or basis for comparison. To my knowledge, Obama never told any reporter that their question was stupid; and never characterized the media as the enemy of the people; or demanded "respect" in exchange for credentials. The Apologists for Trump never fail to exceed expectations on this board.

And, to your knowledge, how many times in his 8 years did he violate our laws and implement illegal surveillance on members of the press.

Still waiting for an answer on how one goes about getting White House press credentials. Freedom of the press? Really?

[cradleandshoot]

I had absolutely no idea where to post this. I choose this thread completely by default. At first I laughed my arse off then a feeling of complete revulsion took over. Monica Lewinsky is reported in the NY Post article to tell the world about her little tryst with Wild Bill. Gods honest truth the woman says she did not notice the stain on her blue dress. SHE THOUGHT IT WAS SPINACH DIP OR SOMETHING... She apparently never thought to open her eyes when the grand finale occurred. I think this proves that Monica is the leading candidate to become the new election supervisor in Broward County. The worst part is I use to love spinach dip. That has now been ruined for me forever. Can I sue someone over this??? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7732437/m ... inach-dip/

[seacoaster]

Your absorption with the Clintons is getting a little creepy. Keep this up and you might have a visit from the Secret Service. TLD is right: you bring Mrs. Clinton up a few times a day. Unrequited much?

[frmanfan]

Cradle, I am going to defend you on this one. You brought up Monica, because she was in the news YESTERDAY. Not old news. You didn't even mention ol' what's her name.

I will continue to eat spinach dip, but it will never be the same. icon_puke Like cigars.

[MDlaxfan76]

Cradle, I am going to defend you on this one. You brought up Monica, because she was in the news YESTERDAY. Not old news. You didn't even mention ol' what's her name.

I will continue to eat spinach dip, but it will never be the same. icon_puke Like cigars.

I would agree that the timing of mention of Monica is due to her 3 part series coming up.
BTW, from what has been shared so far, it is far from complimentary to Bill.
(It is interesting that you guys already are paying such close attention).

But what the heck does it have to do with "Progressive Ideology"? Really, what's the point?

Unless, cradle and frmanfan, you want to say that the #METOO movement is just as tough on Dem pols as GOP pols, you seem to be all giddy about making fun of the young intern who thought she was in love with the President.

If you actually want to have a serious discussion of whether 'being in love' is consensual or not, and shouldn't therefore be considered a METOO sort of thing, I guess ok.

Where I come out on that is that whenever there is such a huge disparity of power and age, "consensual" is not the same as we would normally consider it. Add to that the cheating on one's spouse, and the sheer dishonesty of the cover-up, and it's certainly in the bucket of a cad taking advantage of his position of power.

I'd put Trump and McDougal in much the same bucket, though with only wealth and celebrity being his 'power'. She thought she was in love with him, too, but what a slime cheating on his wife right after his youngest was born. And trying to buy her silence? Doing so related to the election impact might well be criminal, not just slimy.

You guys are perpetually trying to say but "what about?" as if it excuses any of these slimes, but of course the one you want to excuse is Trump.
It's pretty clear that you don't think this lack of character on Trump's part is actually important...so why else the fascination with Clintons other than to give cover for Trump?

If I'm mistaken in my assessment of your motivations, I'm sure you'll clarify.

[frmanfan]

The word for the day is: BREVITY.
Look that one up, MD.

[MDlaxfan76]

The word for the day is: BREVITY.
Look that one up, MD.

That's all you got?
Well, it's indeed short.

[Brooklyn]

https://tinyurl.com/y6ud3m5c



Carpe diem!

[dislaxxic]

You guys are perpetually trying to say but "what about?" as if it excuses any of these slimes, but of course the one you want to excuse is Trump.
It's pretty clear that you don't think this lack of character on Trump's part is actually important...so why else the fascination with Clintons other than to give cover for Trump?

There is NO "so why else" in this whole topic...whatsoever.

He reportedly doesn't drink alcohol. Take a look at that face and tell me what he's "on"...?? Just a "sex buzz"??



The guy takes "scumbag" to a whole new level. Deplorables shrug, because..."whatabout"

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[dislaxxic]

Moving toward NeoLiberalism

"Each of these steps will demonstrate that government is working and doing something necessary. That is the first step to changing the framework people use to understand the government. I read somewhere recently that most people’s lives are not affected by elections. That may have been true once upon a time, but now failure to act will have terrible consequences. Left alone, capitalism will kill democracy and then the planet. Government is our only defense against overwhelming greed."

One writer's opinion...I'm sure there will be others hereabouts.

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[cradleandshoot]

Your absorption with the Clintons is getting a little creepy. Keep this up and you might have a visit from the Secret Service. TLD is right: you bring Mrs. Clinton up a few times a day. Unrequited much?

I think absorption is what happened on the magic blue dress. Until it resembled spinach dip...

[cradleandshoot]

Cradle, I am going to defend you on this one. You brought up Monica, because she was in the news YESTERDAY. Not old news. You didn't even mention ol' what's her name.

I will continue to eat spinach dip, but it will never be the same. icon_puke Like cigars.

I would agree that the timing of mention of Monica is due to her 3 part series coming up.
BTW, from what has been shared so far, it is far from complimentary to Bill.
(It is interesting that you guys already are paying such close attention).

But what the heck does it have to do with "Progressive Ideology"? Really, what's the point?

Unless, cradle and frmanfan, you want to say that the #METOO movement is just as tough on Dem pols as GOP pols, you seem to be all giddy about making fun of the young intern who thought she was in love with the President.

If you actually want to have a serious discussion of whether 'being in love' is consensual or not, and shouldn't therefore be considered a METOO sort of thing, I guess ok.

Where I come out on that is that whenever there is such a huge disparity of power and age, "consensual" is not the same as we would normally consider it. Add to that the cheating on one's spouse, and the sheer dishonesty of the cover-up, and it's certainly in the bucket of a cad taking advantage of his position of power.

I'd put Trump and McDougal in much the same bucket, though with only wealth and celebrity being his 'power'. She thought she was in love with him, too, but what a slime cheating on his wife right after his youngest was born. And trying to buy her silence? Doing so related to the election impact might well be criminal, not just slimy.

You guys are perpetually trying to say but "what about?" as if it excuses any of these slimes, but of course the one you want to excuse is Trump.
It's pretty clear that you don't think this lack of character on Trump's part is actually important...so why else the fascination with Clintons other than to give cover for Trump?

If I'm mistaken in my assessment of your motivations, I'm sure you'll clarify.

You are way over thinking what I posted MD. My picking on the young intern was where she somehow missed the point during her rondevue with the guy in question where the spinach dip was spilled on her dress. Not to be to graphic but I have been around long enough on this earth to never ever spill spinach dip on a lady's dress. Maybe I am just more uncouth than most of you folks. I suppose it is best left at that. There is a whole little sensitivity and hurt feelings around here today...

[youthathletics]

Hard to swallow pills... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLbuWPlVAM ... yaw0hdbjo9

[holmes435]

Hard to swallow pills... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLbuWPlVAM ... yaw0hdbjo9

Any data or proof to actually back that up? And a history lesson to go with it about why we like having such a large military? Most of Europe isn't outsourcing anything - we enjoy being in charge and projecting force and having bases all over the globe to protect our interests and are willing to spend massive amounts of money to do so.

All of those "democratic socialist" or "capitalist welfare states" have much higher taxes to pay for their welfare programs. It's not a result of savings on their military programs.

[youthathletics]

Seems Cotez is having a tough time swallowing pills. https://www.instagram.com/p/BqK9HfgFG5I ... 75normly72

Caution has some foul language in video.

[a fan]

Hard to swallow pills... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLbuWPlVAM ... yaw0hdbjo9

If you and the rest of the people really believe that, why aren't you jumping up and down, demanding we cease all overseas military operations so that you and your family can, instead, get free health care and university?

Or do you just like the EU that much, and you'd rather give your money to them than to your own family?

Pretty funny watching an entire nation of conservatives become liberals in a matter of weeks. Maybe Old Salt is on to something, and you and your friends will stop insisting on invading a new country every time there's a full moon!

Move over, disslaxxic.......old salt and youthathletics want to sit on your team's bench!

[cradleandshoot]

Yeah a Fan, like it or not all of us here in NYS just signed on for Crony socialism with the wonderful deal that Amazon got in NYS. Can you tell me again how this is so good for those of us in Upstate NY? Sorry but I know you have this wonderful Shangri-La vision for what more socialism will do for our nation. Ain't seeing your vision right now, we are just seeing more of our money headed downstate in a very big way. But I guess those hicks like us in upstate NY just aren't seeing the bigger picture. That picture involves drop trau, bend over, grab your ankles... Andy wants to take a picture with you.

[youthathletics]

Hard to swallow pills... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqLbuWPlVAM ... yaw0hdbjo9

If you and the rest of the people really believe that, why aren't you jumping up and down, demanding we cease all overseas military operations so that you and your family can, instead, get free health care and university?

Or do you just like the EU that much, and you'd rather give your money to them than to your own family?

Pretty funny watching an entire nation of conservatives become liberals in a matter of weeks. Maybe Old Salt is on to something, and you and your friends will stop insisting on invading a new country every time there's a full moon!

Move over, disslaxxic.......old salt and youthathletics want to sit on your team's bench!

You are good, really good, like politician good. Remind me to never play chess with you
How can you complain about Trump all day long, our spending on military preparedness, then move on to the lack of infrastructure spending, then move onto free health care spending, then try and say conservatives are turning in to liberals. Good lord afan, you make it sound like conservatives have no heart, empathy, and all they want to do is blow up $h1t....c'mon.

Peel this back....technology advances at an immeasurable pace we MUST spend as necessary to be "that country" the has our interest first, then helps those in the EU/ all over....that's what good people do (regardless of left or right) see we do have a heart. If we do not have a robust able military we are like them, vulnerable. You throw around that our kids are going to pay for this...you are not that naive, at no point in the recent history have our children suffered.

Our safety should not ever be in question. I bet your EMR rating is concerning to you, remember...safety first-fun second. Again, we have empathy for others and care about their safety.

All Trump is doing is what each of us do in our own homes. We provide a safe place for a family as best we can....I bet even most have an alarm system. Think about it this way, if half that caravan ended up in the local park next to your house, you'd be livid, and I bet you'd install a security system if you did not already have one.....safety first.

I think in the end, we all just like the dialogue, at least on here. Be good.

[dislaxxic]

Good lord afan, you make it sound like conservatives have no heart, empathy, and all they want to do is blow up $h1t....c'mon.

It's not that hard, youth. AF and others don't complain about the GOP per se, we complain when the GOP "blows up dump" when the Dems try to spend to improve the country (ACA, welfare, etc.) vilifying "big government/intrusion" - all in the name of pure, partisan power-grabbing, then, once the power-grabbing and vilification have WORKED, they turn around and do the very same kind of spending and crow about how great the country has become as a result of it.

So YEAH, the GOP has no heart, no empathy for spending WHEN THE DEMS DO IT. You want us all to "just be happy" that the country is doing well...and we have to point out: Why aren't you happy when the Dems do very similar things?

Because you want a conservative Supreme Court? That's a whole 'nother thread, isn't it?

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