All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Moron Trump lover Ron DeSantis has finally closed Florida but Republicans should know he’s sending those hungover Spring Break kids back to every state in the US. My country is so broken.

Don't worry, those spring breakers have left lots of "presents" to be opened later, in Florida.

My mom and son are in Florida.

Sorry to hear it. East coast or west coast?

For the Left or Left-sympathizers on this board, does it ever strike you how expressly intolerant many on the Left are to those whom they do not agree with politically?

Here above, you have Trinity calling a Republican governor a "moron" (a governor supported by a significant % of the Democrats he governs), then JHU72 saying how 'sorry' he is that someone is in Florida (even though Florida has one of the best state economies in the United States and consistently ranks high on 'places to live' lists - out of curiosity, where is Maryland on that list?).

Were Florida to be governed today by Andrew Gillum (D), neither Trinity nor JHU72 would be expressing these sentiments, naturally; this example above merely points out hypocrisy and frankly, intellect (lack thereof). The Left sees most issues no matter how trivial through the prism of politics, which is highly regrettable. This is perhaps the most disturbing large trend in America today, the Left's intolerance of thought and speech, as intolerance historically has led to further intolerance. You wonder why gun rights are such a core right to some?

I've been rightly suspicious of the far Left in America and its embrace of totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and repression; no more so than now. I'd be curious to know how these people interact with average Americans in real life and not behind the safety of a keyboard. I know Ron DeSantis...he's not a weak physical guy. Would Trinity care to call Ron a moron to his face? (I must admit, FDLE would likely restrain if not arrest you as you said it, so Ron might not be free to reply as an average person on the street would should you simply call him a moron)

I thought you were a data driven guy.

You can dispute the data all day long for all I care. What I heard from your fellow Left travelers here yesterday was this guy was a 'Lincoln Project' founder hence 'I won't read him'. (even though the Lincoln Project is an anti-Trump group...)

I read it; he makes perfectly good sense to me. I am sure, given how much he wrote, some of his data might be incorrect or even interpreted incorrectly. Honestly, that does little to move the needle to me. I am way more focused on intolerance of opinion, such as you constantly evidence here on these boards. I would be curious how you interact with people whose politics you are unaware of. Are you judgmental? Intolerant? Do you demand to know their views before having a discussion?

I said it was an interesting idea and then analyzed it further. It doesn't hold up on further analysis, sorry if that hurts your feelings.

It doesn't hurt my feelings in the least if you disagree with another person's findings. I am more concerned when the Left organizes a targeted (in essence) DNS attack on a post with which it disagrees. Red is cool with that.

Are you sympathetic to that action, btw? Do you support targeted removals of papers, research, clinical studies if they run into your political beliefs? Absolutely not? Not sure why it matters in this discussion.

Man I wish we still had lacrosse games.

[ggait]

Key point about actor Kim's experience.

He was able to get a drive by test at the first, slightest hint of extremely mild symptoms when he got off his NYC-HI plane flight.

Makes a huge difference.

Fingers crossed that we all get lucky with HCQ. We should find out very soon on that. And in the meantime, docs (like Kim's) are free to use it off label, and are doing so. Also seeing reports of CQ poisoning -- CQ is more dangerous to take than HCQ apparently.

Kim is a very healthy 51 year old with very mild symptoms. So low risk and would have gotten better anyway. So if the HCQ worked, the main benefit to him would have been to shorten the amount of time he had to self isolate before being cured. That's definitely a benefit. A quick test plus a quick recovery greatly lessens the amount of draconian social distancing we need to do without such tools.

TBD how much difference HCQ might make in more severe, high-risk situations. Which would be a much bigger benefit.

[old salt]

“Russian doctors say Putin's regime is covering up cases.

https://t.co/nZiVYdhXts?amp=1

If Trump pens a letter to Putin asking about this, will he be impeached again?

Another impeachment would be great. It's proven to be a great distraction from a rapidly spreading pandemic.

[Peter Brown]

Not everyone is entitled to have their “opinions” about medicine, public health, and epidemiology. Not in a crisis like this.

So, let’s please stop promoting baseless quackery like the Daniel Dae Kim post. He’s a good actor, but he’s not an infectious disease expert.

In addition, the unjustified run on drugs like hydroxychloroquinine has resulted in severe shortages that are hurting patients who really need those anti-inflammatory medications.

DocBarrister

Does that sentence give anyone else here chills? It's both comical as well as scary and precisely why the conservative base distrusts the Left.

(btw, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions, about anything; one need not follow every opinion, but hearing other opinions makes your own that much more informed)

[Peter Brown]

“Russian doctors say Putin's regime is covering up cases.

https://t.co/nZiVYdhXts?amp=1

If Trump pens a letter to Putin asking about this, will he be impeached again?

Another impeachment would be great. It's proven to be a great distraction from a rapidly spreading pandemic.

If you missed Larry Hogan and Bill de Blasio on MTP today, please watch.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... _nn_tw_mtp

Larry Hogan seems to be about the most pleasant human being you can find in politics; he spends his time here on MTP seeking answers and productively bringing people together. De Blasio spends the entire time accusing everyone else of failure.

Go to the end of the clip where Chuck Todd (a former Democrat congressman's aide) has to step in and stop De Blasio from embarrassing himself and his party more. This exchange is so illustrative of the differences imo between the two parties.

De Blasio: nothing but blame and partisanship. Hogan: find answers, bring people together.

Do we need to explain the divide in America any further?

[DocBarrister]

Not everyone is entitled to have their “opinions” about medicine, public health, and epidemiology. Not in a crisis like this.

So, let’s please stop promoting baseless quackery like the Daniel Dae Kim post. He’s a good actor, but he’s not an infectious disease expert.

In addition, the unjustified run on drugs like hydroxychloroquinine has resulted in severe shortages that are hurting patients who really need those anti-inflammatory medications.

DocBarrister

Does that sentence give anyone else here chills? It's both comical as well as scary and precisely why the conservative base distrusts the Left.

(btw, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions, about anything; one need not follow every opinion, but hearing other opinions makes your own that much more informed)

What is truly chilling is the idea that anyone is entitled to “opinions” about the facts.

It is fine to acknowledge uncertainty or the lack of facts in medicine and science. It is also fine to disagree, within learned reason, about what the facts are. It’s another thing entirely to believe that anyone is “entitled” to their opinions about what is already known.

DocBarrister

[jhu72]

Not everyone is entitled to have their “opinions” about medicine, public health, and epidemiology. Not in a crisis like this.

So, let’s please stop promoting baseless quackery like the Daniel Dae Kim post. He’s a good actor, but he’s not an infectious disease expert.

In addition, the unjustified run on drugs like hydroxychloroquinine has resulted in severe shortages that are hurting patients who really need those anti-inflammatory medications.

DocBarrister

Does that sentence give anyone else here chills? It's both comical as well as scary and precisely why the conservative base distrusts the Left.

(btw, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions, about anything; one need not follow every opinion, but hearing other opinions makes your own that much more informed)

Now I don't care whether someone express their opinion or not on any subject. What I do object to is less knowledgeable folks who have spent a night in a Holiday Inn Express insisting their opinion is more or as valuable as individuals who clearly know more. Those same folks getting their noses all bent out of shape because their opinion is not considered as valuable and then asserting that those more knowledgeable are intolerant.

[Andersen]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

[6ftstick]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

Can I shine your shoes now massa?

[Andersen]

Thanks just the same, I have little confidence you would do a very good job.

[seacoaster]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

Can I shine your shoes now massa?

Perfect. In a single sentence, using an off-color remark, he proves exactly and everything that Anderson is saying. Just perfect.

[Typical Lax Dad]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

Can I shine your shoes now massa?

Sho’ boss

[Peter Brown]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

I've never understood this line of thinking, that one is 'expert' or not, and that we should only listen to 'experts'. Experts are often less expert than advertised.

I like to think I can always be wrong, even about the things I think I know. I ask questions all the time, of everyone, to make sure we're doing it 'right'. When I'm corrected by others and I learn my errors, nothing feels better in the moment. Sometimes a tad embarrassing, but in the end, a great feeling.

[youthathletics]

“Russian doctors say Putin's regime is covering up cases.

https://t.co/nZiVYdhXts?amp=1

If Trump pens a letter to Putin asking about this, will he be impeached again?

Another impeachment would be great. It's proven to be a great distraction from a rapidly spreading pandemic.

If you missed Larry Hogan and Bill de Blasio on MTP today, please watch.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... _nn_tw_mtp

Larry Hogan seems to be about the most pleasant human being you can find in politics; he spends his time here on MTP seeking answers and productively bringing people together. De Blasio spends the entire time accusing everyone else of failure.

Go to the end of the clip where Chuck Todd (a former Democrat congressman's aide) has to step in and stop De Blasio from embarrassing himself and his party more. This exchange is so illustrative of the differences imo between the two parties.

De Blasio: nothing but blame and partisanship. Hogan: find answers, bring people together.

Do we need to explain the divide in America any further?

Bingo. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/t ... t-12656847

[Farfromgeneva]

All our comments carry hyperbole such as we’ve seen but I’d hope that people who care about knowledge, I do, also recognize that domain knowledge can and often does lead to blind spots. The challenge is accepting how much is unknown when one has a good grasp of knowledge on a subject and avoiding any hubris or sense of superiority. Unless knowing and internal pride are more important than using or sharing said knowledge with the world. That’s just selfish and useless in a society.

[youthathletics]

Waiting for MD to reply; first that you are wrong, then might be consideration that you are on the right path, but in the end..... nope, he's right.

[6ftstick]

Thanks just the same, I have little confidence you would do a very good job.

Liberal elites are doing such grand job!

https://www.sacbee.com/news/databases/a ... 79753.html
ROUGHLY 5 MILLION PEOPLE LEFT CALIFORNIA IN THE LAST DECADE.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/new-york- ... te-report/
New York is losing residents at an alarming rateLiberal elites are doing so well.

[MDlaxfan76]

Moron Trump lover Ron DeSantis has finally closed Florida but Republicans should know he’s sending those hungover Spring Break kids back to every state in the US. My country is so broken.

Don't worry, those spring breakers have left lots of "presents" to be opened later, in Florida.

My mom and son are in Florida.

Sorry to hear it. East coast or west coast?

For the Left or Left-sympathizers on this board, does it ever strike you how expressly intolerant many on the Left are to those whom they do not agree with politically?

Here above, you have Trinity calling a Republican governor a "moron" (a governor supported by a significant % of the Democrats he governs), then JHU72 saying how 'sorry' he is that someone is in Florida (even though Florida has one of the best state economies in the United States and consistently ranks high on 'places to live' lists - out of curiosity, where is Maryland on that list?).

Were Florida to be governed today by Andrew Gillum (D), neither Trinity nor JHU72 would be expressing these sentiments, naturally; this example above merely points out hypocrisy and frankly, intellect (lack thereof). The Left sees most issues no matter how trivial through the prism of politics, which is highly regrettable. This is perhaps the most disturbing large trend in America today, the Left's intolerance of thought and speech, as intolerance historically has led to further intolerance. You wonder why gun rights are such a core right to some?

I've been rightly suspicious of the far Left in America and its embrace of totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and repression; no more so than now. I'd be curious to know how these people interact with average Americans in real life and not behind the safety of a keyboard. I know Ron DeSantis...he's not a weak physical guy. Would Trinity care to call Ron a moron to his face? (I must admit, FDLE would likely restrain if not arrest you as you said it, so Ron might not be free to reply as an average person on the street would should you simply call him a moron)

man, you're trying to pick a fight PB, is DeSantis a family member or something?
Now a physical violence kind of threat?

He blew the timing on this crisis and people will be dying because of it. Period, full stop.
Let's hope he does better going forward.

This absolutely has nothing to do with R or D.
There are Govs all over the country of both parties who are taking faster action, saving lives as a result.
Who gives a hoot what party they're a member of, it's what they do and say in this crisis that counts.

Actually Maryland is very high on most desirable places to live, very high in educational achievement rate, very high in income, 'land of pleasant living' as you well know. I grew up hunting, fishing, crabbing, sailing the Chesapeake. But, sure, when my dad and mom decided to live somewhere else during the winter months (and with us the remainder), pop convinced her to go to Florida (which she hated the idea of, all the uniformity). Two golf courses, on the river, Audubon award winning, etc, and not a heavy Balt cocktail party circuit, mostly midwesterners. Very happy answer. But note: They and nearly every other resident of their community made their money in a state other than Florida.

Of all people, I'd venture to state that you view a politician's party as much as anyone and especially the hard Left here. I don't read every post on Fanlax, but for sure I've yet to find a positive comment about any national Republican from you on these boards; feel free to show us one if this is incorrect. I do read a few posts of yours where you are quick to call people 'racist'. Apparently, now you believe you'd be a better governor than Ron DeSantis

Let's look closer to your home to see if you are in fact a partisan (or god forbid a racist). Baltimore has a 55.5/100,000 per capita murder rate, almost all deceased are African American; this is top-20 for murder per capita in the entire world of cities above 100,000 persons. The cities ahead of yours are uninhabitable for the most part (as is a good deal of Baltimore; I'd ask you to ask Alex Wroblewski if that's true, but...).

Have you on these boards ever bemoaned the current Mayor of Baltimore for his handling of the Baltimore African American murders? He's a Democrat, as they've all been. I'd think a per-capita murder rate such as Baltimore's would be a daily clarion call by its residents, such as you. I'd think.

If you haven't posted about this Mayor and how indifferent he is to the murder rate, then (taking your philosophy straight from you) that would obviously be because (it must!) you're a "partisan" or a "racist" (as you've commonly called others here for issues not even having to do with race, though we can agree this murder rate issue could in fact possibly be a racial issue!).

If you do have a post dragging your Mayor here, then by all means I am corrected and you're neither racist nor partisan. But I am just not so sure! I mean, this is your online philosophy if I'm correct, throwing terms around like 'racist' and 'moron' with scant evidence when persons disagree with you.

I'd also be willing to bet you're quick with highly pejorative and judgmental terms on more issues than even these; sanctimony is easy to spot via someone's posts. How did you handle the UVA fraternity fake rape case? How about the Duke case? Did you say anything that you regret today?

Not trying to be hard on you, just pointing out that the rules you've set for yourself are possibly unattractive and worth taking the time to reflect on. Surely I am not the only reader here who finds a good deal of your writing to be judgmental and sanctimonious.

Boy, PB, you sure do love throwing around the hyperbole.
I called DeSantis a "knucklehead' and made clear I was specifically saying he blew the timing on clearing the spring breakers. You have no response but to go hyperbolic on it.

To your question about Baltimore's recent Mayors, I've been very clear that NONE of them has been good, some absolutely miserable and corrupt to boot. Since Willie Don, we haven't had an excellent mayor. I had hopes for Schmoke, and in retrospect he was right about decriminalization of drugs, but he allowed way, way too much patronage leading to ineffective government. The current Mayor does not have my support. I'm looking at the candidates, though as I'm not a resident of Baltimore, I don't have a vote. But I certainly won't be choosing who to support based on their race or their party affiliation (unfortunately the GOP has not had a strong candidate for Mayor in decades). I can definitely say that not one of the candidates I've preferred in any mayoral race since I got back to Baltimore has actually won.

As to "racist", I do not think I've called you such, have I? I've asked some questions about what's driving your vitriol, but I've not accused you of being racist far as I can recall.

But certainly I haven't been shy about calling the xenophobia nativism inherent in the Trump 'base' and I certainly haven't been shy about my opinions about Trump in that regard.

But are you equating caring about the ugliness of racism as somehow inherently non-Republican? You are questioning how good a Republican I am because I think Trump plays to the darkest side of people's fears, resentments, and even hate?

Of course I've been complimentary about "national Republicans". The problem in the last 3 years is that those I've liked have been mostly forced out/retired or, worse, have kowtowed to the Trump base. So, a lot less to applaud than previously.

And I'm the RINO.
Traitor to my people?

[MDlaxfan76]

“Russian doctors say Putin's regime is covering up cases.

https://t.co/nZiVYdhXts?amp=1

If Trump pens a letter to Putin asking about this, will he be impeached again?

Another impeachment would be great. It's proven to be a great distraction from a rapidly spreading pandemic.

If you missed Larry Hogan and Bill de Blasio on MTP today, please watch.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... _nn_tw_mtp

Larry Hogan seems to be about the most pleasant human being you can find in politics; he spends his time here on MTP seeking answers and productively bringing people together. De Blasio spends the entire time accusing everyone else of failure.

Go to the end of the clip where Chuck Todd (a former Democrat congressman's aide) has to step in and stop De Blasio from embarrassing himself and his party more. This exchange is so illustrative of the differences imo between the two parties.

De Blasio: nothing but blame and partisanship. Hogan: find answers, bring people together.

Do we need to explain the divide in America any further?

Bingo. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/t ... t-12656847

Which is why Hogan has such strong bi-partisan support here in very blue Maryland.

[MDlaxfan76]

"This is what happens when a political party spends two decades convincing a huge swath of its base that competent people of superior education, intellect & experience are the enemy and should be vilified as the "elite." We should all want people smarter than us to be in charge."

I've never understood this line of thinking, that one is 'expert' or not, and that we should only listen to 'experts'. Experts are often less expert than advertised.

I like to think I can always be wrong, even about the things I think I know. I ask questions all the time, of everyone, to make sure we're doing it 'right'. When I'm corrected by others and I learn my errors, nothing feels better in the moment. Sometimes a tad embarrassing, but in the end, a great feeling.

Let's ignore the experts.