MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:09 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:06 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:00 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:18 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 pm
CU77 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:58 pm
I'd be curious who here praises Trump's character or even his response to COVID-19.
Could you point that out to me? Presumably you have some facts to back that up.
One example: a couple days ago, old salt claimed that Trump's Europe travel ban was a model for European leaders. (Not sure which thread that was in, and I'm not going to search it out for you.)
Mostly, it's people like you saying that that any criticism of the Dear Leader is totally out of bounds, that the whole crisis is the fault of democrats for wasting time on impeachment, etc etc etc.
There's tons of such posts here. Read them.
Not just the travel ban. The implication was the clamp down on freedom of movement gave EU leaders cover to do the same.
There's been all sorts of apologia.
That's just one example from one poster.
One of the more rational, if predictable.
PB, we know you were staying away during lax, but there's an awful lot of posts for you to read through if you're seriously interested in where this discussion has been over the last 6 weeks or so. Probably best to get that perspective before immediately assuming you know what the discussion has been.
Of course, if you think that it's ridiculous that anyone might have been praising Trump's performance in this mess, many of us would quite agree.
Even so, it's good to see at least
some directional change.
Even those who detest him (a I certainly do) have managed to say so.
Pointing out facts is not apologia or praise. It's calling BS on negative, partisan disinformation.
Just look at the sequence of when things happened.
Things got worse in the EU sooner, but (with the exception of Italy) the US imposed restrictions sooner.
You think it doesn't make it easier for EU leaders to impose politically difficult restrictions if the US has done it too ?
Before the EU closed it's borders, who besides Italy took actions as soon or as restrictive as the US did ?
You want apologia -- all we heard then was that such US restrictions were not necessary or counterproductive.
DW was making a big deal about Merkel addressing the German people. The first time she's made such a speech in 15 yrs in office, except for her annual New Years Day speech.
The EUros don't have Trump to blame for this. What's their excuse ? Who's their scapegoat ?
Which school district was Trump responsible for shutting down? Which colleges did he shut down? Did he give Ty the exclusive interview when he cancelled lacrosse season? When did Trump make the call on the NBA?
Salty,
I thought we'd been through the timelines...the EU countries by and large moved sooner than we did, not just in shut down, but way sooner on testing enabling more targeted quarantining. Italy, tragically, was following our lead in thinking just closing borders to travelers from China would work...slow out of the gate too.
Not sure why you'd keep saying otherwise. Trump didn't do a darn thing until after states began taking their own actions and calling very publicly for the federal government to step up...Trump's been behind at every step of the way...after investing so much political capital in denying that the virus was a serious threat at all...
Yeah. The EU took the easy, relatively ineffective decisions before us. They had the benefit of working test kits.
They waited to follow our lead on the tough decisions -- like restricting movement & closing borders (beyond Governors authority).
Trump & task force coordinated with the Governors, backing them up, as they collaborated & did what's best for their states.
Our Governor Hogan, in his leadership position, played a part in the Governors coordinated actions.