All things CoronaVirus

[Trinity]

Newt Gingrich, Feb 27: "The city of San Francisco, in its usual irresponsible way, has already declared an emergency..."

Newt Gingrich, today: "Faced with a pandemic threat, history teaches us it is far better to be over prepared than underprepared."

And at last the blind did see....

[cradleandshoot]

Newt Gingrich, Feb 27: "The city of San Francisco, in its usual irresponsible way, has already declared an emergency..."

Newt Gingrich, today: "Faced with a pandemic threat, history teaches us it is far better to be over prepared than underprepared."

And at last the blind did see....

What they see is the drug addict derelicts shitting all over the place and dumping their used needles where ever. It is probably a good thing for San Fransisco. Thank you all you FLP types for your contribution to human depravity. I am sure TLD has a self portrait emoji for that.

[Trinity]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

[wlaxnut]

I work in a central distribution warehouse for electrical distributors. My small department just got asked to change our shifts from 6am - 2:30pm to 4am - noon so as to limit exposure to other people. Not mandatory but still significant. The good thing is that if we do get shut down, we will be paid.

[6ftstick]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

[Bart]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

[Bart]

VA says it is tracking 30 veterans who have tested positive, or presumptively positive, for #COVID19.
VA still says it has administered 100 tests -- unchanged since last week. We have 9 million veterans.
1 veteran so far has died because of the virus.



FYI: Gen Stanley McChrystal dropped by Rachel Maddow tonight to talk about leadership.

We have a local VA. I have worried about this for quite some time. The patients there tend to be older, we have lost most of our WWII guys and now predominantly have the Korea and Vietnam guys, with in influx of newer guys with mental issues. The older patients all tend to be smokers and not in the best of health. I would hate to think what would happen if this virus got on campus there. I usually run around the campus quite a bit in the warmer months but have not been up there since the late fall so I do not have any idea as to the precautions in place. I hope they take care of these Vets as they have given so much to out country.

[Trinity]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/1 ... mic-132797

Two-thirds of the Trump officials briefed on pandemic response during the Transition have left the administration.

[youthathletics]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

[MDlaxfan76]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

I think that's right Bart.

6ft, more to your question, yes, we'd have needed to go through social distancing and economic contraction.
Inescapable given the nature of the virus.

But that's not the whole story.

Had we admitted the coming reality and properly prioritized resources, testing first and foremost, the depths and lengths of the challenge could have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

Likewise, had we prioritized ventilators, masks, gowns, training, hospital beds, etc, instead of being way, way, way behind in all of these, the impact would have been greatly reduced. Not eliminated, greatly reduced.

[cradleandshoot]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

[Kismet]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

How would they enforce a nationwide lockdown which I would assume would be similar to what Italy, France and Spain are now doing?

[MDlaxfan76]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

cradle,
This is one of your least informed posts.
The whole darn point from the scientists all along has been that what they "did know" looked very, very bad and that the range of possibilities among what they "didn't know" included really bad to hugely calamitous.

They were straight with us at each step.

Trump/FoxNation was not.

[MDlaxfan76]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

How would they enforce a nationwide lockdown which I would assume would be similar to what Italy, France and Spain are now doing?

Military.
Lots of folks calling for military to build hospitals. Makes sense.

Anyone think Trump wouldn't declare martial law?
Call off November elections?
Sorry, I'm paranoid.

[Bart]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

Sorry but I have not seen any dazzleing sheepdip from any scientific personnel. Most have said we do not totally understand this, that is why we need to be really cautious. That is my perception.

[RedFromMI]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

They did not know some of the specifics for this particular virus, because it was the first time it had been seen. But they _had_ seen other epidemics/pandemics before, and did absolutely know the deep kind of situation we could end up at - and how it could be modified early in its impact by restrictions on movement and social distancing. And the knowledge about the particulars of the virus actually came with extreme speed due to the level of technology the world is capable of these days.

It is NOT sheepdip. It was willful ignorance of expertise quite consistent with prior behavior. They think that they can put out their own fake news and change the reality, but in fact here they cannot.

[youthathletics]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

How would they enforce a nationwide lockdown which I would assume would be similar to what Italy, France and Spain are now doing?

Enforce is not a word I would choose to use.
It would happen exactly like what we/they are doing now. Local states are incrementally shutting things down one by one, feds are mandating lesser gatherings....putting the squeeze on.

[Bart]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

If this is the case (red line), then how do you roll out the message in a proper way? I still feel there are lots of people who believe this is not a problem at all, there are still Governors who are not embracing social distancing. Look at the FLa beaches right now. We have been told to just get enough for a week.......... The shock of the change in message abruptly, IMO, will lead to the mass hysteria you indicate in your first paragraph.

[youthathletics]

So if Trump wasn't president.

We wouldn't be self quarantined in our homes?

Professional and college sports wouldn't have been canceled?

Schools restaurants and bars wouldn't be locked down?

Social distancing wouldn't be the prescription for 300 million plus Americans?

The stock market wouldn't have collapsed under all this uncertainty?

We wouldn't still be trying to bend the curve?

What would be different?

No, I think we would still be there. Tests and all that are things to quibble about by people with more intellect than myself but to me, yesterday was the first time I have seen the President face the reality of what the potential would actually be when he said "we do not have this under control". For me, and this is for me only, it would have been much more reassuring to hear him say this weeks ago and indicate that he would listen to his scientific advisers moving forward. The fact that he indicated he had an innate (my characterization and perception)ability to understand all this at the level of the professionals at the CDC and NIH lost a ton of credibility for me. I know accomplished scientists at both of those institutions and there was nothing innate about about how they got there. Several of these people were always "the smartest person in the room" but to get to the point they are in was not innate but lots of hard work and study. That is my issue.

We also need to look behind the curtain.

As I mentioned last week in a post, on good authority, from a contact at the pentagon, the end plan is to lock us all down. That can not be done by merely flipping a light switch, without unintended consequences that would result in immediate mass hysteria.

There is certainly a MOP (Method of Procedure) in place for things like this, they are IMO, slow rolling the shutdown/lockdown, in an attempt to buy time to see/measure how incremental changes are occurring, and to be certain families are stocking for much worse than currently happening.

If this is the case (red line), then how do you roll out the message in a proper way? I still feel there are lots of people who believe this is not a problem at all, there are still Governors who are not embracing social distancing. Look at the FLa beaches right now. We have been told to just get enough for a week.......... The shock of the change in message abruptly, IMO, will lead to the mass hysteria you indicate in your first paragraph.

Bart - I do not know all the specific detail's, I just know that my source articulated the end goal is to get to lock down....not necessarily abruptly (sorry if I articulated it that way). Take a step back and just notice how the walls are slowly closing in.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Months of mocking science didn’t work so now it’s serious.

If the scientists don't know the answers, dont try and dazzle us all with sheepdip. All they have to do is admit they dont know what they dont know. I have actually heard some docs on TV admit just that. There is much they dont know. They are working to understand what they are dealing with.

They did not know some of the specifics for this particular virus, because it was the first time it had been seen. But they _had_ seen other epidemics/pandemics before, and did absolutely know the deep kind of situation we could end up at - and how it could be modified early in its impact by restrictions on movement and social distancing. And the knowledge about the particulars of the virus actually came with extreme speed due to the level of technology the world is capable of these days.

It is NOT sheepdip. It was willful ignorance of expertise quite consistent with prior behavior. They think that they can put out their own fake news and change the reality, but in fact here they cannot.

Why take all of these silly precautions...Just let the earth do what it is going to do. Once the earth gets something on its mind, you can’t change it.