faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:07 amI read an article with the same numbers and conclusions. Small communities like Ithaca could not support such a level of illness.palaxoff wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 am Read an article this morning, swayed me to accept the season probably over. CoVid-19 virus is much more contagious virus then the common flu by a very high factor. Meaning many more people will get it, while for most of us it will not be that bad, the concern is the 20% that do have problems. They could overwhelm the healthcare system, as great as they tell us it is in the US,it is not prepared for the potential numbers it could see. The Government is trying to flatten the bell curve so there is not a large spike in a short time. So based on the things being suggested, wrapcheque suggestion of a virtual league might be our best option.
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Their next door neighbor in Lexington is holding strong. They've had their spring break and they're forging ahead.
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Another factor. Many universities are also major medical centers and, I imagine, are considering resources and efforts that may be necessary toward a potentially substantial spike in patient care. Getting kids out of the area, decreasing large gatherings of people, and reducing / eliminating non-essential activities in order to shore-up for possible life-saving activities could be part of the bigger picture.
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Maybe this one?faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:33 amI read an article with the same numbers and conclusions. Small communities like Ithaca could not support such a level of illness.palaxoff wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 am Read an article this morning, swayed me to accept the season probably over. CoVid-19 virus is much more contagious virus then the common flu by a very high factor. Meaning many more people will get it, while for most of us it will not be that bad, the concern is the 20% that do have problems. They could overwhelm the healthcare system, as great as they tell us it is in the US,it is not prepared for the potential numbers it could see. The Government is trying to flatten the bell curve so there is not a large spike in a short time. So based on the things being suggested, wrapcheque suggestion of a virtual league might be our best option.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavi ... d3d9cd99ca
One of the best layman-friendly arguments for over-reacting that I have read.
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Absolutely. It was the responsible thing to do for global health.RedIvy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:01 amI’m as disappointed as anyone on the cancelation of the Ivy lax season but to say they don’t support their athletes is a ridiculous statement. They are clearly looking at the bigger picture and understand the potential implication to the students, local community and the nations health care system. One only needs to look at Italy to understand what might happen if the right precautions are not made.pcowlax wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:27 pmI just don’t think you can do this. You can’t tell all of the students save the athletes that they have to go home but that the athletes get to stay on campus. You would get filleted for the optics on that.DU-fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:17 pm The best approach would be for
- Schools to go to online classes.
- Keep the athletes on campus during Spring Break (which the teams already do) and have them participate online from school.
The biggest risk is travel and for the older coaches.
- Limit the crowds which lacrosse already does well due to limited popularity.
It is shame that the NESCAC and Ivies do not support their athletes and sports programs enough.
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I suspect we are within a week of all NCAA spring seasons being cancelled.
March Madness and the Frozen Four may continue, but if so there will be no fans and possibly even reduced fields.
I'm hearing parents of spring sport athletes already talking to lawyers threatening lawsuits which is so sad to hear.
My heart breaks for everyone, but its time for people to accept the consequences and be team players.
The lacrosse community prides itself on its patriotism and focus on teamwork.
We need both of those qualities in spades right now because this is about doing whats right for the greater good of our society.
March Madness and the Frozen Four may continue, but if so there will be no fans and possibly even reduced fields.
I'm hearing parents of spring sport athletes already talking to lawyers threatening lawsuits which is so sad to hear.
My heart breaks for everyone, but its time for people to accept the consequences and be team players.
The lacrosse community prides itself on its patriotism and focus on teamwork.
We need both of those qualities in spades right now because this is about doing whats right for the greater good of our society.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... f-covid-19
"But if the interventions could have been brought in a week earlier, 66% fewer people would have been infected, the analysis found. The same measures brought in three weeks earlier could have reduced cases by 95%."
I'm beginning to think that if the reaction seems like its an "overreaction" or too soon, that means they are doing it right.
"But if the interventions could have been brought in a week earlier, 66% fewer people would have been infected, the analysis found. The same measures brought in three weeks earlier could have reduced cases by 95%."
I'm beginning to think that if the reaction seems like its an "overreaction" or too soon, that means they are doing it right.
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I hate that "cancel" is the go-to. That seems like the easy way out for administrators, NCAA, etc. This is a once in a life time situation, so i think they should think outside the box. Postpone the season... resume at a later date once the spread of the virus has leveled off. Cancel non-conference games, condense the remaining conference schedule into 2-3 weeks. Eliminate conference tournaments and send the regular season champs (reduced field?) to the NCAA tournament that starts a few weeks or a month later.
Yes there are issues and costs associated with this, but again this is a once in a lifetime situation.
Yes there are issues and costs associated with this, but again this is a once in a lifetime situation.
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Patriot League done
https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/12 ... 4035465216
More conferences will follow. Season is over.
https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/12 ... 4035465216
More conferences will follow. Season is over.
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I totally agree.rolldodge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:18 am https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... f-covid-19
"But if the interventions could have been brought in a week earlier, 66% fewer people would have been infected, the analysis found. The same measures brought in three weeks earlier could have reduced cases by 95%."
I'm beginning to think that if the reaction seems like its an "overreaction" or too soon, that means they are doing it right.
If I'm being totally honest, any schools and leagues that aren't taking a proactive approach are either being stupid, selfish or both.
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Absolutely. It’s irresponsible not to take immediate action.thetruth wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:25 amI totally agree.rolldodge wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:18 am https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... f-covid-19
"But if the interventions could have been brought in a week earlier, 66% fewer people would have been infected, the analysis found. The same measures brought in three weeks earlier could have reduced cases by 95%."
I'm beginning to think that if the reaction seems like its an "overreaction" or too soon, that means they are doing it right.
If I'm being totally honest, any schools and leagues that aren't taking a proactive approach are either being stupid, selfish or both.
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What a shitshow. One random thought/brainstorm is that universities are having/will have a major crisis from this (in addition to many other unforeseen impacts).
I do not have a kid in college, but if I did have a kid and was paying full price, I would want some money back. Colleges can say they have no reason to return money, but then they should get huge pressure to cut costs next year.
One previous poster commented that online learning does not work. I am not an education expert, so I will leave it to that person, but there are many professional accreditation tests that people study for outside of a classroom. Certainly many disciplines require in-person lab/supervised work, but most undergraduate degrees can have classes, discussions and tests online.
Sure, kids benefit from learning how to live away from home in a dorm and balance a schedule on their own, but ballooning college costs have been a problem for a long time.
For athletic programs, what about incoming freshman? How will coaches determine rosters if current seniors all have an option to come back to school? I guess they will just tell the people they want back to come back.
I do not have a kid in college, but if I did have a kid and was paying full price, I would want some money back. Colleges can say they have no reason to return money, but then they should get huge pressure to cut costs next year.
One previous poster commented that online learning does not work. I am not an education expert, so I will leave it to that person, but there are many professional accreditation tests that people study for outside of a classroom. Certainly many disciplines require in-person lab/supervised work, but most undergraduate degrees can have classes, discussions and tests online.
Sure, kids benefit from learning how to live away from home in a dorm and balance a schedule on their own, but ballooning college costs have been a problem for a long time.
For athletic programs, what about incoming freshman? How will coaches determine rosters if current seniors all have an option to come back to school? I guess they will just tell the people they want back to come back.
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The Taiwan thing is a very small side point in the context of the article as a whole. (It also doesn't strike me as obviously wrong -- Taipei is the 4th most common international destination for air travel from Wuhan. Does that not count as "extensively connected?") Do you have a substantive disagreement with any of the article's core numbers and reasoning?steel_hop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pmI've read that. That guy is over the top hysterical. The fact he doesn't know that Taiwan is not extensively connected with China and didn't get greatly impacted is a concern. Note China and Taiwan have no relationship.rolldodge wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:49 pm "Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources:
When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:
- How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area?
- What will happen when these cases materialize?
- What should you do?
- When?
As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this."
- The coronavirus is coming to you.
- It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
- It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
- When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
- Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
- Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
- They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
- The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
- That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavi ... d3d9cd99ca
I should add that he isn't an epidemiologist or anything like that. Just a guy that wrote a blog but looks good because he can link in a bunch of graphs.
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https://patriotleague.org/news/2020/3/1 ... ition.aspx
Patriot League says the decision is effective Monday, March 16. So are this weekend's games still on? Very unclear.
Patriot League says the decision is effective Monday, March 16. So are this weekend's games still on? Very unclear.
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For Williams at least, my understanding is that there is a pro-rated refund of tuition, room and board. Not sure whether that is in the form of a credit or cash.
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D plays at one of the schools and it was unclear if the scheduled game on Sat. will happen. It is my understanding that it is between the two institutions and primarily the guest who is traveling.HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:40 am https://patriotleague.org/news/2020/3/1 ... ition.aspx
Patriot League says the decision is effective Monday, March 16. So are this weekend's games still on? Very unclear.
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What could possibly motivate you to suggest this is a time for over-reacting ?faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:07 amMaybe this one?
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavi ... d3d9cd99ca
One of the best layman-friendly arguments for over-reacting that I have read.
YOU are irresponsible !
Social distancing is a basic epidemiologic strategy to mitigate the intensity of this problem.
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Wow, someone actually said "Note China and Taiwan have no relationship"?????Homer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:39 amThe Taiwan thing is a very small side point in the context of the article as a whole. (It also doesn't strike me as obviously wrong -- Taipei is the 4th most common international destination for air travel from Wuhan. Does that not count as "extensively connected?") Do you have a substantive disagreement with any of the article's core numbers and reasoning?steel_hop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:57 pmI've read that. That guy is over the top hysterical. The fact he doesn't know that Taiwan is not extensively connected with China and didn't get greatly impacted is a concern. Note China and Taiwan have no relationship.rolldodge wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:49 pm "Here’s what I’m going to cover in this article, with lots of charts, data and models with plenty of sources:
When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:
- How many cases of coronavirus will there be in your area?
- What will happen when these cases materialize?
- What should you do?
- When?
As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this."
- The coronavirus is coming to you.
- It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
- It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
- When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
- Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
- Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
- They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
- The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
- That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavi ... d3d9cd99ca
I should add that he isn't an epidemiologist or anything like that. Just a guy that wrote a blog but looks good because he can link in a bunch of graphs.
Taiwan's formal name is actually the Republic of China.....
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Patriot League Announces Cancellation of Spring 2020 Season
BALTIMORE – The Patriot League Council of Presidents announced this morning it has made the difficult decision to cancel all spring athletics practices and competitions through the remainder of the academic year.
"This is an unprecedented time for the Patriot League and for Greyhounds Athletics," said Rev. Brian F. Linnane, S.J., president of Loyola University Maryland. "Our student-athletes and athletic programs are a source of pride for Loyola University Maryland—and will continue to be. My thoughts are with our student-athletes, families, coaches, athletics staff, and fans who have been so looking forward to an exceptional spring season."
The decision will be effective Monday, March 16. An announcement about this weekend’s competitions will be forthcoming.
Text of the Patriot League announcement:
CENTER VALLEY, Pa. – Recognizing that the health and safety of our students and broader communities is our priority, and based on the ongoing spread of Covid 19 (2019 novel Coronavirus), the Patriot League Council of Presidents has made the difficult and challenging decision to cancel all spring athletics practice and competition through the remainder of the academic year.
The majority of Patriot League institutions have announced a temporary or semester-long transition to remote learning. While we recognize the disappointment that will be felt by our student-athletes, coaches, and communities, a continuation of spring seasons is untenable.
The decision will be effective Monday, March 16.
Individual institutions will decide the NCAA championship participation status of winter teams and student-athletes who have qualified.
BALTIMORE – The Patriot League Council of Presidents announced this morning it has made the difficult decision to cancel all spring athletics practices and competitions through the remainder of the academic year.
"This is an unprecedented time for the Patriot League and for Greyhounds Athletics," said Rev. Brian F. Linnane, S.J., president of Loyola University Maryland. "Our student-athletes and athletic programs are a source of pride for Loyola University Maryland—and will continue to be. My thoughts are with our student-athletes, families, coaches, athletics staff, and fans who have been so looking forward to an exceptional spring season."
The decision will be effective Monday, March 16. An announcement about this weekend’s competitions will be forthcoming.
Text of the Patriot League announcement:
CENTER VALLEY, Pa. – Recognizing that the health and safety of our students and broader communities is our priority, and based on the ongoing spread of Covid 19 (2019 novel Coronavirus), the Patriot League Council of Presidents has made the difficult and challenging decision to cancel all spring athletics practice and competition through the remainder of the academic year.
The majority of Patriot League institutions have announced a temporary or semester-long transition to remote learning. While we recognize the disappointment that will be felt by our student-athletes, coaches, and communities, a continuation of spring seasons is untenable.
The decision will be effective Monday, March 16.
Individual institutions will decide the NCAA championship participation status of winter teams and student-athletes who have qualified.
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Online learning works just fine, for those who are self motivated. For those who are not. 4 years of college is a very expensive party....
connections ... whatever. The diploma is a "signal" to the market that you were smart in high school. It gets you in a club. I loved my 4 years in college, but that is not the same as learning (I did a little bit of that too, but not too much .
On the school closings. It took me a while to understand what the schools are facing. 2,000 - 10,000 students living in tight quarter dorms and dining halls. If someone gets sick - how do you quarantine? How do you send the home? You can't
STILL somewhere back in the day....
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......
...and waiting/hoping for a tinfoil hat emoji......