norcalhop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:34 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:03 pm
OCanada wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:19 pm
Hopkins never had a policy that a great player could gain admission regardless of academic record. Plain and simple.
If an athlete did not meet standard but would otherwise attend there was a vetting process that had to decide whether they could be expected to graduate. It was conservative because if an exception was needed they didn’t want to make a mistake.
The demise of wooden sticks was due to a fire at a Canadian Indian factory. Bacharach, if memory serves, would choose sticks for the team to consider from their inventory.
If anyone had a pipeline to sticks by the Onandaga it was Cuse.
I would be tempted to argue lax players who graduated on average out earned the average grad.
Yes, Bacharach Raisin was the pipeline, Baltimore based. And Hopkins got first choice.
The demise was not a fire per se, it was the rise of the STX head. IMO.
And yeah, guys with abysmal academic records regularly got into Hopkins. Which in no way is to denigrate other guys, nor the ones with poor academic records for that matter...quite a lot of guys blossom quite successfully in their lives without being academic stars! And I know some very bright, accomplished Hop lax alums, so please don't misunderstand me.
By whether they could be expected to graduate, that of course involved what accommodations were available to get a less academically competent or motivated athlete through school, whether through gut courses or otherwise. Far from a Hop specific thing.
And I dare say that, at least in my era, UMD's rep for academic requirements was even less.
On the "out earned", I think there's definitely a phenomenon, probably even more so in earlier eras, of guys with a strong sports team background (with all that means) who thrive in the competitive world of business in particular. Gotta remember that Hopkins' undergraduate experience (especially in STEM) has historically been geared toward academia/research, not industry. Or medicine. The institution as a whole viewed business (and law) as crass.
I'm on the advisory board of The Center for Leadership Education, housed in the Whiting School of Engineering but serving the entire community, which is working to help build the 'soft skills' necessary to be leaders in industry as well. Good progress but more to be done, given the legacy of the academia bias.
With regards to underqualified lacrosse athletes "regularly getting in" - do you have facts or are these more anecdata? Hopkins has no problem getting undergraduates into the upper echelon of business fields today (especially in consulting, finance) and ofcourse comp sci which earns more than these other fields anyways. In fact placement at the top banking and consulting firms is pretty good. What needs to change (and is happening now) is more exposure to these fields to undergraduates.
On lax, anecdata.
In my day and for many decades, it was no mystery who could consider Hopkins and who they could get in.
And that, yes, regularly included
some with abysmal academic records...the weren't "under qualified", they had exactly the sort of qualifications necessary...as a lacrosse player. Again, that's not to denigrate those players, or their team mates, or anyone else...read my post, please, in that regard.
I'm not saying that's identical today, but you betcha there's a big difference continuing today between the guys able to get in for say football or baseball than lacrosse. We can debate about whether that's appropriate or not, but it's a reality.
I'd be interested in your assertion that comp sci pays more than the upper echelons of business fields today (especially consulting and finance); Is this "anectdata"? Yes, Google and their ilk do grab a handful each year and pay top $, even before the kids even graduate, (as they certainly do at the Ivies, MIT, Stanford, etc) but you better be off the charts on the academic/brains side.
But here's my more serious question for you as you talk about comp sci or any other STEM background, what's the breakdown of majors for men's lax players versus football or baseball players at Hop, much less the guys and gals Google is picking?
Listen, I'm not saying that Hopkins could not or should not take an Ivy-like approach for lax, it's just that hasn't been the case to date (albeit I bet it's tougher today than in prior decades).
Let me also say that this isn't a particularly fruitful discussion... a lot of season ahead.
