2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Trinity]

Houdini trick accomplished, Cradle.

[jhu72]

Exit polls show the 17-29 demographic didn't show up last night. In 2016 the % of voters in that demographic was a few points higher than last night. Bernie also took a larger percentage of those who showed up in 2016. The black youth vote didn't show up for Bernie either, they went for Biden. Go figure.

All the pundits got Super Tuesday wrong.

USA Today.

[cradleandshoot]

Houdini trick accomplished, Cradle.

Uncle Joe did pretty well. Crazy Bernie is still biting at his ankles. What are the Democrats going to have to do buy Bernie off? Would it take offering Bernie the veep spot? Stay tuned boys and girls. The fun never ends.

[Trinity]

Bernie will be sitting in the Convention, frowning and whining, just like 2016, with mo money in the bank.

[dislaxxic]

After Jim Clyburn's boost, it should be pretty obvious that Biden would pick Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams as a running mate. It's early i know, but not too early for Trumpists to be touting Don the Con's move to Nikki Haley. How will Mikey Pence's supporters (Christian Fundamentalists) take THAT move?

One of those choices by Joe totally knee-caps the Haley move.

Plus, Don is petrified of Harris...he's seen "her" many times in a courtroom setting on one of his myriad fights with Justice...

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[cradleandshoot]

Bernie will be sitting in the Convention, frowning and whining, just like 2016, with mo money in the bank.

That could very well be. There is a good chance neither Uncle Joe or Bernie could have enough delegates to win the nomination outright. The Democrat convention could prove to be a real barn burner of an event. I so need some clarification, is Uncle Joe running for POTUS or the US Senate.

[MDlaxfan76]

If Sanders wins... what does that tell you? The Democrats will have to work overtime to find a way to F**K Bernie out of being their nominee. You can't make this sheep dip up.

Like Trump and Putin, C&S is pulling soooo hard for Bernie to win.

No overtime will be needed if, as projected, Bernie finishes with fewer delegates than Biden. And if (also as projected) Joe + Bloom = a majority, while Bernie + Liz = minority.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ou ... certainty/

As I keep saying, the center left is doing just fine. The problem is that the center right, in contrast, is dying or already dead.

We're in dormant mode, will vote for Biden in November, ala Bill Kristol's tweet.

cradle, not sure why you don't understand that it's actually the bulk of Dem voters, not simply an "establishment', who want a more moderate, less angry candidate. They want positive change, sure, but not 'revolution', and what they want most is to be sure that Trump is out. And they don't want to risk losing the House as well, because a Trump totally unrestrained is indeed very, very scary.

Winning matters.
Jim Clyburn understood, and so obviously did the Dem voters, who showed up in record #'s, not for Bernie but rather the record turnout was for Biden.

[Kismet]

Bloomberg just dropped out and endorsed Joe Biden. Joe's financial problems were just taken care of by the mayor.

[jhu72]

Just a matter of time now, but it is over, and likely without super delegates.

[Kismet]

Yep...and Bernie Bros threaten to do again what they did to Hillary and stay home isn't going to work this time. In fact, 19-25 turnout yesterday was DOWN from 2016.

Many voters (both parties) are concerned and angry with the DOPUS BS lying and incompetence and they will be bolting in large numbers for Father Joe.

Nikky Haley is a lot of things but she's not stupid. No way is she going to hitch her wagon to DOPUS with all of his family members waiting in the wings to run for his job when its time. Her bet is to watch the potential implosion and then rescue the GOP in 2024 after DOPUS get shown the door in 2020.

[CU88]

People don't want a Revolution, they want a return of Decency.

[cradleandshoot]

If Sanders wins... what does that tell you? The Democrats will have to work overtime to find a way to F**K Bernie out of being their nominee. You can't make this sheep dip up.

Like Trump and Putin, C&S is pulling soooo hard for Bernie to win.

No overtime will be needed if, as projected, Bernie finishes with fewer delegates than Biden. And if (also as projected) Joe + Bloom = a majority, while Bernie + Liz = minority.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ou ... certainty/

As I keep saying, the center left is doing just fine. The problem is that the center right, in contrast, is dying or already dead.

We're in dormant mode, will vote for Biden in November, ala Bill Kristol's tweet.

cradle, not sure why you don't understand that it's actually the bulk of Dem voters, not simply an "establishment', who want a more moderate, less angry candidate. They want positive change, sure, but not 'revolution', and what they want most is to be sure that Trump is out. And they don't want to risk losing the House as well, because a Trump totally unrestrained is indeed very, very scary.

Winning matters.
Jim Clyburn understood, and so obviously did the Dem voters, who showed up in record #'s, not for Bernie but rather the record turnout was for Biden.

Shut the front door my friend. I know the Dems are looking for a more moderate candidate. This is anecdotal but my youngest son and his cabal of left wing friends are all rabid Bernie fans. They do not give a flying fig about being moderate, they want what Bernie is selling. What I have been saying, which it seems like nobody here understands, is the D establishment can not allow Bernie to win the nomination. That is not because they disagree with him. They understand 100% that Bernie can not beat Trump. Uncle Joe is the best of a group of substandard candidates. Joe runs so hot and cold the D establishment must be pulling their hair out. Joe is sharp as a tack one minute and the next minute he seems almost clueless. He is clearly moderate enough for the D establishment. They have to be concerned that Joes mental clarity is slowly declining.

[ggait]

Problem is you can’t vote on your phone. Youth turnout for 2020 is down from 2016.

Even Bernie can’t get the youngsters to vote.

Until they learn to vote rather than tweet, they don’t matter.

In contrast, turnout among geezer Dems and indies is way up. That’s bad for Trump, Putin and Cradle.

[Kismet]

Problem is you can’t vote on your phone. Youth turnout for 2020 is down from 2016.

Even Bernie can’t get the youngsters to vote.

Until they learn to vote rather than tweet, they don’t matter.

Yep. +1
Like the African-American fellow in TX yesterday who waited in line for 7 HOURS to vote for Biden in a primary. If those folks come back like they did for BHO, its over except for counting how wide the margin in the EC will be.

[dislaxxic]

That is not because they disagree with him. They understand 100% that Bernie can not beat Trump. Uncle Joe is the best of a group of substandard candidates. Joe runs so hot and cold the D establishment must be pulling their hair out. Joe is sharp as a tack one minute and the next minute he seems almost clueless. He is clearly moderate enough for the D establishment. They have to be concerned that Joes mental clarity is slowly declining.

Do you REALLY want to get into that back-n-forth concerning DOPUS? For every puerile nickname and unhinged attack Don the Con attempts on his adversaries, there are 4-5 examples of FAR WORSE behavior from this bum. I believe Joe will make an effort to keep from descending into t hat morass, although surrogates and Bloomberg's money surely will not hesitate. It'll be UGLY...just like the current occupant of the Oval Office...the country is exhausted by his schtick and wanting a new tone.

Stick to your garden, pops.

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[cradleandshoot]

Problem is you can’t vote on your phone. Youth turnout for 2020 is down from 2016.

Even Bernie can’t get the youngsters to vote.

Until they learn to vote rather than tweet, they don’t matter.

In contrast, turnout among geezer Dems and indies is way up. That’s bad for Trump, Putin and Cradle.

How is that bad for me? The sheepdip storm for the D nomination us just getting rolling. I could not give a flying fig who the Dems nominate. The only thing I am commenting on is that Bernie will not go down without a fight. His legions could make life miserable for all the moderate Dems. I am also observing that in the giddiness from so many Uncle Joe fans is pointing out that at times Uncle Joe is no where close to his A game. When Joe is good, he is very good. When Joe is bad, he is really bad. One side note could be from a potential Trump/ Uncle Joe debate. How many of you folks out there would not love to see Uncle Joe drag Trump behind the lectern and beat the living snot out if him.

[jhu72]

Just heard an interesting story from James Clyburn. He tells the story of how he came to endorse Biden. He was at a small Baptist Church outside Charleston. After the service, outside, one of the parishioners, a little old grandmother waves at him to come talk to her. He walks over and she whispers to him, "who are you voting for". He whispers back, Joe Biden. She says, "that's fine, but the community needs to hear from you". He asked around and discovered that lots of folks in the community felt that way, they wanted him to say something. He announced for Biden a few days later.

Great story.

[cradleandshoot]

That is not because they disagree with him. They understand 100% that Bernie can not beat Trump. Uncle Joe is the best of a group of substandard candidates. Joe runs so hot and cold the D establishment must be pulling their hair out. Joe is sharp as a tack one minute and the next minute he seems almost clueless. He is clearly moderate enough for the D establishment. They have to be concerned that Joes mental clarity is slowly declining.

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Do you REALLY want to get into that back-n-forth concerning DOPUS? For every puerile nickname and unhinged attack Don the Con attempts on his adversaries, there are 4-5 examples of FAR WORSE behavior from this bum. I believe Joe will make an effort to keep from descending into t hat morass, although surrogates and Bloomberg's money surely will not hesitate. It'll be UGLY...just like the current occupant of the Oval Office...the country is exhausted by his schtick and wanting a new tone.

Stick to your garden, pops.

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Too cold for the garden yet. I am more than happy to post on here and give you an industrial strength case of agita. It is an at times lack of focus and concentration on Uncle Joe's part. When you make a verbal slip up stating you are running for the US Senate. How many times recently has Uncle Joe lost track of what state he is in? I like Uncle Joe. He is the most likeable person running for POTUS. He has to prove consistently that his mental clarity is still there. I'm just observing from listening to him talk that it comes and goes. I said it earlier... hot and cold.

[cradleandshoot]

Just heard an interesting story from James Clyburn. He tells the story of how he came to endorse Biden. He was at a small Baptist Church outside Charleston. After the service, outside, one of the parishioners, a little old grandmother waves at him to come talk to her. He walks over and she whispers to him, "who are you voting for". He whispers back, Joe Biden. She says, "that's fine, but the community needs to hear from you". He asked around and discovered that lots of folks in the community felt that way, they wanted him to say something. He announced for Biden a few days later.

Great story.

Brought a dog gone tear to my eye...

[MDlaxfan76]

If Sanders wins... what does that tell you? The Democrats will have to work overtime to find a way to F**K Bernie out of being their nominee. You can't make this sheep dip up.

Like Trump and Putin, C&S is pulling soooo hard for Bernie to win.

No overtime will be needed if, as projected, Bernie finishes with fewer delegates than Biden. And if (also as projected) Joe + Bloom = a majority, while Bernie + Liz = minority.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ou ... certainty/

As I keep saying, the center left is doing just fine. The problem is that the center right, in contrast, is dying or already dead.

We're in dormant mode, will vote for Biden in November, ala Bill Kristol's tweet.

cradle, not sure why you don't understand that it's actually the bulk of Dem voters, not simply an "establishment', who want a more moderate, less angry candidate. They want positive change, sure, but not 'revolution', and what they want most is to be sure that Trump is out. And they don't want to risk losing the House as well, because a Trump totally unrestrained is indeed very, very scary.

Winning matters.
Jim Clyburn understood, and so obviously did the Dem voters, who showed up in record #'s, not for Bernie but rather the record turnout was for Biden.

Shut the front door my friend. I know the Dems are looking for a more moderate candidate. This is anecdotal but my youngest son and his cabal of left wing friends are all rabid Bernie fans. They do not give a flying fig about being moderate, they want what Bernie is selling. What I have been saying, which it seems like nobody here understands, is the D establishment can not allow Bernie to win the nomination. That is not because they disagree with him. They understand 100% that Bernie can not beat Trump. Uncle Joe is the best of a group of substandard candidates. Joe runs so hot and cold the D establishment must be pulling their hair out. Joe is sharp as a tack one minute and the next minute he seems almost clueless. He is clearly moderate enough for the D establishment. They have to be concerned that Joes mental clarity is slowly declining.

Sounds like your son had a reaction to your own views...pretty typical reaction to a parent.

You seem to think that the "D establishment" actually agrees with Bernie's views. They most definitely don't.
Of course, there's a big (but far from majority) wing who do, but like other younger voters, they don't show up in as high proportion as do their elders. And they really, really despise Trump, so those who would show up for Bernie will show up to vote against Trump.

Now, relative to your views, apparently, I can see why you might confuse a common desire for affordable health care for all (which all the Dems want) and Bernie and Liz's conception of single payor, Medicare for all. But it most definitely ain't the same thing. Likewise, all the Dems believe that climate change is an existential threat and want to move away quickly from fossil fuels to renewables, but they differ dramatically on how to accomplish their varyingly ambitious goals. In each policy arena, there are indeed substantial differences between the moderate wing and the most progressive wing, much less the "democratic socialists".

Yes, of course, Biden wasn't impressive early on, whether at the podium, on the debate stage, in fundraising, or in organization, and certainly it would be logical for the political pros to be worried whether he had what it will take to defeat Trump. That's why Bloomberg stepped in. And it's why Pete shined so brightly. It's why Liz's policy intensity and comprehensiveness was attractive to some. And Amy's actual policy chops in getting stuff done to others.

But the pros are going to rally around Joe, his staffing will be dramatically upgraded, his money challenges will be eliminated, and he'll get plenty of speech and debate prep for the general. They'll be smart about putting him into town hall type situations where he best shines as an empathetic guy who actually does care about people. He'll make gaffes, laugh at himself, and move on. Big rallies, Trump and Obama style, won't be his forte, but he'll be good enough. In fact, he should avoid the yelling and hyperbole of a Sanders and Trump. Keep the messages simple, let his empathy soak in. And that'll do fine on the debate stage. Trump is truly a stupid, mean jerk, and that'll come across just fine in contrast. Biden's best play would be to shake his head at Trump and get back to the 'soul of America' refrain every time Trump goes hyperbolic. Dunno whether Joe can do that, but he'll be ok as well if he goes toe to toe.

We're going to get a ton of ugly from Trump and his allies about Hunter and Burisma, but it's just not going to stick hard the way it did with Clinton. In contrast, expect the Bloomberg machine to pour money into very effective negative ads about Trump, both about competence and about corruption. It'll be relentless, and have the benefit of being actually true.

A Bernie head to head would have been a harder play for Bloomberg, as the Trump machine would be all over the 'socialist' label and Bloomberg actually agrees! Moreover, I think Bernie would have risen to the bait and tacked even more left rather than reached out to moderates...losing proposition. Bloomberg would have still poured on the negative campaign vs Trump, but it would have been a much harder battle.