Conservatives and Liberals

[holmes435]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

[cradleandshoot]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal.

That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time. Since PP makes mucho dinero selling the body parts of aborted babies business will always be booming when it comes to killing babies for money.

DEPLORABLE

[Bart]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal.

That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time. Since PP makes mucho dinero selling the body parts of aborted babies business will always be booming when it comes to killing babies for money.

DEPLORABLE

Curious, how much money does PP make in this endeavor?

[jhu72]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

The thing is, the Supreme Court got it right in terms of their understanding of the science, way back in the 70s. They instituted a perfectly reasonable set of rules. Until nearing viability a women is free to make the decision. Until viability is APPROACHED - not guaranteed the state has no interest. Age of viability remains in the third trimester, towards middle of range according to real physicians - not holiday inn express physicians who have tried to move it to pre-conception.

[Typical Lax Dad]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal.

That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time. Since PP makes mucho dinero selling the body parts of aborted babies business will always be booming when it comes to killing babies for money.

DEPLORABLE

Curious, how much money does PP make in this endeavor?

I imagine the Oracle Of Upstate believes that is a booming business.

[Kismet]

If a heartbeat is the thing that means someone is a person and is alive, I know plenty of elderly who wouldn't quality. Dick Cheney included.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. Republicans keep tearing down things that reduce abortion. It's stupefying.

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal.

That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time. Since PP makes mucho dinero selling the body parts of aborted babies business will always be booming when it comes to killing babies for money.

DEPLORABLE

Curious, how much money does PP make in this endeavor?

I imagine the Oracle Of Upstate believes that is a booming business.

Trading in the illegal garbage convicted felons like James O'Keefe throw out there for the gullible who believe everything they read on the internet.

[ggait]

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time.

You know what gets rid of lots of abortions? Free contraception. Especially "long acting reversible contraceptives." Here's a program Hickenlooper supported out here in Colorado (with private funding from Warren Buffett).

In fiscal year 2009, the state’s low-income “Title X” clinics reported they had provided LARCs to about 2,000 patients. That number had tripled within three years. Today, the state released new data on the program. It reports that:

The birth rate for young women ages 15 to 19 fell by 54 percent, to 17.1 per 1,000 people, from 2009 to 2016.
The clinics provided about 44,000 free or low-cost long-term contraceptives in that period.
The abortion rate for women ages 15 to 19 fell by 64 percent.
A University of Colorado study estimated that social services avoided spending $70 million because fewer children needed them.

So if you are pro-life, then you should be happy about the fact that Obamacare and Medicaid require free contraceptives, including LARCs. More effective at preventing abortions than just about anything else you could do.

FLP and pro-life!

[CU88]

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time.

You know what gets rid of lots of abortions? Free contraception. Especially "long acting reversible contraceptives." Here's a program Hickenlooper supported out here in Colorado (with private funding from Warren Buffett).

In fiscal year 2009, the state’s low-income “Title X” clinics reported they had provided LARCs to about 2,000 patients. That number had tripled within three years. Today, the state released new data on the program. It reports that:

The birth rate for young women ages 15 to 19 fell by 54 percent, to 17.1 per 1,000 people, from 2009 to 2016.
The clinics provided about 44,000 free or low-cost long-term contraceptives in that period.
The abortion rate for women ages 15 to 19 fell by 64 percent.
A University of Colorado study estimated that social services avoided spending $70 million because fewer children needed them.

So if you are pro-life, then you should be happy about the fact that Obamacare and Medicaid require free contraceptives, including LARCs. More effective at preventing abortions than just about anything else you could do.

FLP and pro-life!

+1

[jhu72]

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time.

You know what gets rid of lots of abortions? Free contraception. Especially "long acting reversible contraceptives." Here's a program Hickenlooper supported out here in Colorado (with private funding from Warren Buffett).

In fiscal year 2009, the state’s low-income “Title X” clinics reported they had provided LARCs to about 2,000 patients. That number had tripled within three years. Today, the state released new data on the program. It reports that:

The birth rate for young women ages 15 to 19 fell by 54 percent, to 17.1 per 1,000 people, from 2009 to 2016.
The clinics provided about 44,000 free or low-cost long-term contraceptives in that period.
The abortion rate for women ages 15 to 19 fell by 64 percent.
A University of Colorado study estimated that social services avoided spending $70 million because fewer children needed them.

So if you are pro-life, then you should be happy about the fact that Obamacare and Medicaid require free contraceptives, including LARCs. More effective at preventing abortions than just about anything else you could do.

FLP and pro-life!

Yup. But lets stop kidding ourselves. The right's position on abortion has NOTHING to do with a well thought out moral position. Addressing a real world problem. If it did, they would not object to such proposals. It is all about punishment! Bunch of old testament fascist church ladies trying to foist their god on the rest of us.

[seacoaster]

Here's what "conservatives" now stand for -- or at least abide:

Trump, this morning:

"IF OUR FORMALLY TARGETED FARMERS NEED ADDITIONAL AID UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA AND OTHERS FULLY KICK IN, THAT AID WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!"

So...is this just straight vote purchasing, or "socialism," or both? Imagine the storm of indignation if President Obama had sent a message like this out to people.

[a fan]

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time.

You know what gets rid of lots of abortions? Free contraception. Especially "long acting reversible contraceptives." Here's a program Hickenlooper supported out here in Colorado (with private funding from Warren Buffett).

In fiscal year 2009, the state’s low-income “Title X” clinics reported they had provided LARCs to about 2,000 patients. That number had tripled within three years. Today, the state released new data on the program. It reports that:

The birth rate for young women ages 15 to 19 fell by 54 percent, to 17.1 per 1,000 people, from 2009 to 2016.
The clinics provided about 44,000 free or low-cost long-term contraceptives in that period.
The abortion rate for women ages 15 to 19 fell by 64 percent.
A University of Colorado study estimated that social services avoided spending $70 million because fewer children needed them.

So if you are pro-life, then you should be happy about the fact that Obamacare and Medicaid require free contraceptives, including LARCs. More effective at preventing abortions than just about anything else you could do.

FLP and pro-life!

+1

This is why I simply don't understand prolifers. If they REALLY think it's murder? Why the firetruck wouldn't you link up with libs to provide free birth control and free prenatal care? The libs would be OVERJOYED for the help, and would sign up for that in a New York Minute.

Unwanted pregnancies would plummet. Everyone wins.

I don't get it.

[a fan]

Here's what "conservatives" now stand for -- or at least abide:

Trump, this morning:

"IF OUR FORMALLY TARGETED FARMERS NEED ADDITIONAL AID UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA AND OTHERS FULLY KICK IN, THAT AID WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!"

So...is this just straight vote purchasing, or "socialism," or both? Imagine the storm of indignation if President Obama had sent a message like this out to people.

I told you how they would do it when Trump won the election.

They'll find excuses to send socialism and handouts to flyover America----more funneling of money from citizens in cities to rural America-----and keep the party going, without anyone being the wiser, and without anyone figuring out the game they are playing.

Look for more of this in the next four years.

[old salt]

Here's what "conservatives" now stand for -- or at least abide:

Trump, this morning:

"IF OUR FORMALLY TARGETED FARMERS NEED ADDITIONAL AID UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA AND OTHERS FULLY KICK IN, THAT AID WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!"

So...is this just straight vote purchasing, or "socialism," or both? Imagine the storm of indignation if President Obama had sent a message like this out to people.

I told you how they would do it when Trump won the election.

They'll find excuses to send socialism and handouts to flyover America----more funneling of money from citizens in cities to rural America-----and keep the party going, without anyone being the wiser, and without anyone figuring out the game they are playing.

Look for more of this in the next four years.

.. ...give it up & join the 1st world. It's what developed countries do to ensure abundant, affordable food.

https://data.oecd.org/agrpolicy/agricul ... upport.htm

[jusreLaxin]

".. ...give it up & join the 1st world. It's what developed countries do to ensure abundant, affordable food."

And health care too?

[a fan]

Here's what "conservatives" now stand for -- or at least abide:

Trump, this morning:

"IF OUR FORMALLY TARGETED FARMERS NEED ADDITIONAL AID UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA AND OTHERS FULLY KICK IN, THAT AID WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!"

So...is this just straight vote purchasing, or "socialism," or both? Imagine the storm of indignation if President Obama had sent a message like this out to people.

I told you how they would do it when Trump won the election.

They'll find excuses to send socialism and handouts to flyover America----more funneling of money from citizens in cities to rural America-----and keep the party going, without anyone being the wiser, and without anyone figuring out the game they are playing.

Look for more of this in the next four years.

.. ...give it up & join the 1st world. It's what developed countries do to ensure abundant, affordable food.

https://data.oecd.org/agrpolicy/agricul ... upport.htm

Thank you, Bernie Sanders.

Your party planning on explaining this new policy to their voters soon? “Cash and handouts for no reason are fine now, unless you live in a city. Then you’re on your own.”

Hint: those other 1st world countries provide many other things like health care and free university to citizens, remember? Pretty sure every lib in America would be overjoyed to “join the 1st world”, as you put it, comrade Bernie.

[Trinity]

Bernie is not a Democrat. I repeat, Bernie is not a Democrat.

[Catbird]

That's a feature, not a bug.

[Trinity]

Oy.

[Catbird]

I'm being glib, but only because I think that line of argument is absolutely reductive and meaningless in a country where the two default parties control all the levers to power; also, the Dem party controllers have no one to blame for this but themselves anyway, kind of like the feckless republicans who created a monster that ate their faces off in Trump.

Reposted here because I think it's relevant.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/02/democrat ... ie-sanders

What makes Bernie Sanders so threatening to the Democratic establishment is that he stands for what millions of Democrats thought their party stood for all along.
...
Why would loyal Democrats labor under such illusions about their party leaders? Because those leaders go to great lengths to cultivate those illusions — and for the most part they succeed. Many of us on the Left tend to tune out the stump-speech platitudes of mainstream Democrats, which makes it easy to lose sight of the fact that, to the ideologically unarmored, those platitudes can make a speaker sound a lot like someone who shares the values of, say, a Bernie Sanders.
...
As a result, there are millions of loyal Democrats whose loyalty stems from a touching belief that the Democratic Party exists to stand up to powerful interests on their behalf. The public personas of Obama and Sanders may differ wildly along a hundred different dimensions, but ideologically, tens of millions of Democrats see Bernie Sanders as Barack Obama, only more so.
...
It’s not hard to see how this puts the Democratic elite in an agonizing bind. There is an ideological struggle going on within the party, even if many ordinary Democrats hardly notice it. But it’s a struggle that dare not speak its name. Whatever popular legitimacy the party possesses depends on its followers’ believing that the party hews to the very principles now most closely associated with Bernie Sanders. That makes it excruciatingly difficult to craft an effective anti-Bernie appeal.

[Farfromgeneva]

Abortions should be very rare, safe, and legal. That has been the party line message from the FLP folks for a very long time.

You know what gets rid of lots of abortions? Free contraception. Especially "long acting reversible contraceptives." Here's a program Hickenlooper supported out here in Colorado (with private funding from Warren Buffett).

In fiscal year 2009, the state’s low-income “Title X” clinics reported they had provided LARCs to about 2,000 patients. That number had tripled within three years. Today, the state released new data on the program. It reports that:

The birth rate for young women ages 15 to 19 fell by 54 percent, to 17.1 per 1,000 people, from 2009 to 2016.
The clinics provided about 44,000 free or low-cost long-term contraceptives in that period.
The abortion rate for women ages 15 to 19 fell by 64 percent.
A University of Colorado study estimated that social services avoided spending $70 million because fewer children needed them.

So if you are pro-life, then you should be happy about the fact that Obamacare and Medicaid require free contraceptives, including LARCs. More effective at preventing abortions than just about anything else you could do.

FLP and pro-life!

+1

This is why I simply don't understand prolifers. If they REALLY think it's murder? Why the firetruck wouldn't you link up with libs to provide free birth control and free prenatal care? The libs would be OVERJOYED for the help, and would sign up for that in a New York Minute.

Unwanted pregnancies would plummet. Everyone wins.

I don't get it.

72 misses it and you guys should get it. Punishment isn’t the goal, but these cats believe in sex only for the explicit purpose of procreation and it is otherwise immoral or ungodly. It would be incongruous to support something that was generally available to in any way support such activities.

I don’t agree with this even though my wife is our church warden (that’s my gym time, I go for Xmas and Easter basically), but you guys are smart enough to know this.