Conservatives and Liberals

[a fan]

I get your love for services, but what's your complaint against capitalists?

If it weren't for the contractors working for the Gov't, not much would get done. The govt isn't local, nimble or diverse enough to meet all the needs of the people.

i never get this. Where do you work or live where you haven’t encountered inefficient private companies? Bad service? Lousy construction? Errant billing?

Meanwhile, I deal with the federal government on a monthly business. Courteous. Professional. Timely. They can get weird at times because the laws they enforce, yet did not write, are poorly worded.

What State do you call home?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are you talking big gov't or big gov't spending?
Both sides like to spend. It's where the money goes that's drastically different.
Dems purportedly spend on growing Gov.
Reps purportedly spend on growing Contractors.

More republican horse hockey.
Want me to walk you through the last four spending bills? All but a little over $800 billion out of over $2trillion+ went to big government, handouts and socialism.

I’ve said it a million times, and so have other posters. If guys like trump actually did as they claimed? I’d be the biggest republican you’ve ever met.

-responsible spending
-focus on having world class infrastructure
-minimizing state and local business regulations
-maximizing competition via strong federal regulations and anti trust enforcement
-a replacement for Obamacare that leverages the buying power of the federal government
-ensure everyone pays taxes. From the poor to the rich
-hand up, not a handout (I’m looking at trumps farmers)
-reasonable immigration reform. Old salt has a plan id kill for..

That’s just a few. If the Rs did this? I’d vote republican every time. Instead? We get the opposite of everything I just wrote. THAT is why I can’t stand them. And THAT is why I can’t stand their supporters...watching them cheer as their reps do the exact opposite of what they are claiming

A guy I work with is a huge Republican. Has involved himself in local and state politics. Complains about government spending and waste in school systems. The guy’s wife is CEO of a large Charter School Organization.... they take Government checks every year and leave behind inefficient school systems in their wake as schools can’t contract and reduce physical plant as kids may come back. Wealth built on the backs of taxpayers.

[a fan]

In my experience, this is the card carrying republican.

It’d take you a month to get them to admit that big government is the reason they have a business.

The level of denial is both disgusting and tragic

[Typical Lax Dad]

In my experience, this is the card carrying republican.

It’d take you a month to get them to admit that big government is the reason they have a business.

The level of denial is both disgusting and tragic

Staggeringly ignorant.

[jhu72]

I get your love for services, but what's your complaint against capitalists?

If it weren't for the contractors working for the Gov't, not much would get done. The govt isn't local, nimble or diverse enough to meet all the needs of the people.

i never get this. Where do you work or live where you haven’t encountered inefficient private companies? Bad service? Lousy construction? Errant billing?

Meanwhile, I deal with the federal government on a monthly business. Courteous. Professional. Timely. They can get weird at times because the laws they enforce, yet did not write, are poorly worded.

What State do you call home?

Yup. Between the 3, I would prefer to interact with the Federal government over either the state (any state) or large private companies. We do all three. Accounts payable (the owe us money) when dealing with the feds is generally totally straight forward. State(s), some are almost as good. Large private companies nearly always give you the run around and private hospitals are the worst!

[kramerica.inc]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

There’s a reason why every defense contractor wants On-site SETA (systems engineering and technical assistance) work.

It sucks because you’re the only one working in the gov building. But you kill your self for a few months under close supervision of the gov, make a few friends, and you can probably get a sweet lifetime appointment to a gov position with all the benes.

[admin]

Bag him. Let him eat terds and die! The man has no saving grace.

JHU, a little strong. Let's tone it down...

[a fan]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

[youthathletics]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

For us it is services and widgets for a specified bid project. The Fed. Government is effing brutal to close a project and the worst is anything FAA. You almost have to double your hours because there will be so much red-tape, BS meetings, documentation, delays and stop work without warning, clearance issues. I understand why that hammer or toilet seat costs them $600, because they make it that complicated.

[kramerica.inc]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

A myriad of things.
both products and services.

[jhu72]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

For us it is services and widgets for a specified bid project. The Fed. Government is effing brutal to close a project and the worst is anything FAA. You almost have to double your hours because there will be so much red-tape, BS meetings, documentation, delays and stop work without warning, clearance issues. I understand why that hammer or toilet seat costs them $600, because they make it that complicated.

Yes but once you get into the payment pipeline, isn't it great. I don't know of anyone who refuses government business because of "red-tape". You adapt.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

For us it is services and widgets for a specified bid project. The Fed. Government is effing brutal to close a project and the worst is anything FAA. You almost have to double your hours because there will be so much red-tape, BS meetings, documentation, delays and stop work without warning, clearance issues. I understand why that hammer or toilet seat costs them $600, because they make it that complicated.

Can you refuse their business?

[cradleandshoot]

I get your love for services, but what's your complaint against capitalists?

If it weren't for the contractors working for the Gov't, not much would get done. The govt isn't local, nimble or diverse enough to meet all the needs of the people.

i never get this. Where do you work or live where you haven’t encountered inefficient private companies? Bad service? Lousy construction? Errant billing?

Meanwhile, I deal with the federal government on a monthly business. Courteous. Professional. Timely. They can get weird at times because the laws they enforce, yet did not write, are poorly worded.

What State do you call home?

The last interaction my wife and I had with the US Government came at the hands of a little organization called the IRS. The lovely folks at the IRS screwed up when my wife rolled over her 401 K plan into another fund. The folks at the IRS were convinced it was a disbursement of funds and we owed them 5000 plus dollars plus interest and penalties.. Getting this issued resolved was beyond a nightmare. The solution was very strait forward, our accountant had all the right forms everything on our end was 100% in order. The guy who worked for our accountant spent hours on the phone getting this fixed. In the end my wife and I were still out over 300 dollars the government shorted us not to include what we had to pay our accountant. There is nothing easy or simple or straightforward when you deal with the IRS. The last time I checked the IRS is bigly a part of the US government. They most certainly are not taxpayer friendly, not even when they are the folks who screwed up to begin with.

[a fan]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

A myriad of things.
both products and services.

You understand why I asked, yes? Both you and youthathletics have complained about big government.

And yet you both are putting food on the table from checks from said big government?

You understand why I'd chuckle at this situation, right?

[foreverlax]

I get your love for services, but what's your complaint against capitalists?

If it weren't for the contractors working for the Gov't, not much would get done. The govt isn't local, nimble or diverse enough to meet all the needs of the people.

i never get this. Where do you work or live where you haven’t encountered inefficient private companies? Bad service? Lousy construction? Errant billing?

Meanwhile, I deal with the federal government on a monthly business. Courteous. Professional. Timely. They can get weird at times because the laws they enforce, yet did not write, are poorly worded.

What State do you call home?

The last interaction my wife and I had with the US Government came at the hands of a little organization called the IRS. The lovely folks at the IRS screwed up when my wife rolled over her 401 K plan into another fund. The folks at the IRS were convinced it was a disbursement of funds and we owed them 5000 plus dollars plus interest and penalties.. Getting this issued resolved was beyond a nightmare. The solution was very strait forward, our accountant had all the right forms everything on our end was 100% in order. The guy who worked for our accountant spent hours on the phone getting this fixed. In the end my wife and I were still out over 300 dollars the government shorted us not to include what we had to pay our accountant. There is nothing easy or simple or straightforward when you deal with the IRS. The last time I checked the IRS is bigly a part of the US government. They most certainly are not taxpayer friendly, not even when they are the folks who screwed up to begin with.

So when your wife rolled her 401k over, did the check come to her or was it rolled over directly to the new plan, (401k/IRA)?

[a fan]

The last interaction my wife and I had with the US Government came at the hands of a little organization called the IRS. The lovely folks at the IRS screwed up when my wife rolled over her 401 K plan into another fund. The folks at the IRS were convinced it was a disbursement of funds and we owed them 5000 plus dollars plus interest and penalties.. Getting this issued resolved was beyond a nightmare. The solution was very strait forward, our accountant had all the right forms everything on our end was 100% in order. The guy who worked for our accountant spent hours on the phone getting this fixed. In the end my wife and I were still out over 300 dollars the government shorted us not to include what we had to pay our accountant. There is nothing easy or simple or straightforward when you deal with the IRS. The last time I checked the IRS is bigly a part of the US government. They most certainly are not taxpayer friendly, not even when they are the folks who screwed up to begin with.

To be clear: I'm not saying that there aren't problems/issues/ with the government.

I'm saying that I deal with that kind of time-wasting, and expensive, nonsense with the private sector all the time. Every week.

Mis-billings. Shipping the wrong thing. Bad customer service. Liars. Cheats. Scoundrels....the whole spectrum.

I'm simply saying, this isn't unique to government. Heck, don't most lacrosse fans have frustrating Comcast stories?

[cradleandshoot]

I get your love for services, but what's your complaint against capitalists?

If it weren't for the contractors working for the Gov't, not much would get done. The govt isn't local, nimble or diverse enough to meet all the needs of the people.

i never get this. Where do you work or live where you haven’t encountered inefficient private companies? Bad service? Lousy construction? Errant billing?

Meanwhile, I deal with the federal government on a monthly business. Courteous. Professional. Timely. They can get weird at times because the laws they enforce, yet did not write, are poorly worded.

What State do you call home?

The last interaction my wife and I had with the US Government came at the hands of a little organization called the IRS. The lovely folks at the IRS screwed up when my wife rolled over her 401 K plan into another fund. The folks at the IRS were convinced it was a disbursement of funds and we owed them 5000 plus dollars plus interest and penalties.. Getting this issued resolved was beyond a nightmare. The solution was very strait forward, our accountant had all the right forms everything on our end was 100% in order. The guy who worked for our accountant spent hours on the phone getting this fixed. In the end my wife and I were still out over 300 dollars the government shorted us not to include what we had to pay our accountant. There is nothing easy or simple or straightforward when you deal with the IRS. The last time I checked the IRS is bigly a part of the US government. They most certainly are not taxpayer friendly, not even when they are the folks who screwed up to begin with.

So when your wife rolled her 401k over, did the check come to her or was it rolled over directly to the new plan, (401k/IRA)?

That is a great question. It was a direct rollover from one fund to another. Our financial advisor handled the entire transaction. We never saw a check but we were sent the proper forms from both funds that clearly made it obvious this transaction never involved a disbursement of funds. Neither my wife and I or our accountant ever received an explanation from the IRS. The only notification we received was the IRS sent us a letter saying the situation was resolved but we were still short 300 dollars which was worth the effort to fight them over.

[youthathletics]

Good luck getting paid from some gov agencies.

Same goes for private companies. Or getting work done without overbilling.

And Gov cronyism? I could write a book.

Again....same thing in Private industry. I could write books about the corruption and law breaking, too.

You'll find similar problems in public and private sectors, old bean. You can't escape it.......

And I have to ask: what is it that you're selling to the government?

A myriad of things.
both products and services.

You understand why I asked, yes? Both you and youthathletics have complained about big government.

And yet you both are putting food on the table from checks from said big government?

You understand why I'd chuckle at this situation, right?

I think you just like to chuckle at all of us.

[cradleandshoot]

The last interaction my wife and I had with the US Government came at the hands of a little organization called the IRS. The lovely folks at the IRS screwed up when my wife rolled over her 401 K plan into another fund. The folks at the IRS were convinced it was a disbursement of funds and we owed them 5000 plus dollars plus interest and penalties.. Getting this issued resolved was beyond a nightmare. The solution was very strait forward, our accountant had all the right forms everything on our end was 100% in order. The guy who worked for our accountant spent hours on the phone getting this fixed. In the end my wife and I were still out over 300 dollars the government shorted us not to include what we had to pay our accountant. There is nothing easy or simple or straightforward when you deal with the IRS. The last time I checked the IRS is bigly a part of the US government. They most certainly are not taxpayer friendly, not even when they are the folks who screwed up to begin with.

To be clear: I'm not saying that there aren't problems/issues/ with the government.

I'm saying that I deal with that kind of time-wasting, and expensive, nonsense with the private sector all the time. Every week.

Mis-billings. Shipping the wrong thing. Bad customer service. Liars. Cheats. Scoundrels....the whole spectrum.

I'm simply saying, this isn't unique to government. Heck, don't most lacrosse fans have frustrating Comcast stories?

Also to be clear I understand what your saying. My experience here with our government was that unless we had not paid our account for his time on the phone dealing with the IRS we would have been out alot of money. What pizzed me off the most is we played by all the rules and did everything we were suppose to do. We did nothing wrong but were treated like criminals at every stage of the process. This is not uncommon for anyone that has an issue with the IRS.

[a fan]

When you complain about big government....when in reality, you have a roof over your head because you're part of the "big government problem" that you perceive?

Yes. Yes, I'm going to make fun of you a little.

Same goes for "anti-socialists" who attended a State University.