Orange Duce

[a fan]

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So stop with the false equivalencies. Trump’s Republican Party ... and ONLY the Republican Party ... has lost its moral and ethical bearings and any respect for the democratic institutions that have preserved our union for over two centuries. The only solution is to vote and strip the Republican Party of its power so that Trump and his MAGA goons can go back under the rocks from which they came and simmer in their own impotent rage.

Did Trump tell them to make pipe bombs? Nope.

Did he use dangerous rhetoric? Yep.

Wouldn't it be lovely if Democrats could say that their side doesn't do that? How long before the message that it's ok to terrorize an American eating a plate of food spirals into pipe bombs?

You HAD the high ground when Obama was in office. You gave it up with the Resistance. With the Antifa. Will the calls for "kicking", instead "when they go low, we go high".

You ceded the moral high ground. Don't complain when you get called out on it. Your party CHOSE to roll around in the mud with Trump. Blame someone else for that choice.

[Typical Lax Dad]

jeezus H, now blacks have to be isolated from certain groups (or maybe all groups except NAACP?) to be considered authentic?.....seems equality is even bigoted for some. Seems you are just as guilty for wanting to perpetuate the issue instead of applauding them for being involved in politics and higher learning.

As for the news MDLax, I did a word search (for key words.... Leadership, Summit, and Black) on the homepage of each of the major news websites, notta....as I wrote below. Just seems odd the story was buried.

I don't know how the orgs, including Fox, do their keyword searches, but I had no difficulty finding the stories by using google. I doubt very much that Fox 'buried' anything that would be seen as favorable to this Administration.

Who said anything about the NAACP or "authentic"? As I thought I made clear, as a Republican I'd certainly welcome many, many more African Americans and other minority folks into the party. Certainly under any normal circumstances.

"involved with politics" certainly that should be encouraged for us all. Nothing I wrote suggests otherwise. What I did say is that there are those on the left and the right who utilize their race or other specific status as an 'industry'. Do you actually disagree that such is the case?

As to 'higher learning' I have no idea what you are referring to. Are these folks seeking 'higher learning' with this summit? Strange definition.

The issue right now is that Trump has fanned the flames of bigotry and in specific white supremacy. He had demonized the "Other" at every turn. So, visiting this current White House, and applauding rather than confronting this POTUS, specifically as a "Young Black" person raises the question as to true motivation. I see "industry" and personal advancement through race in this choice.

Now, if they went to the White House, utilizing their status as 'conservatives' and black Republicans and openly challenged the President to live up to his rhetoric of support for the black community and to thoroughly reject in all sense the support of white supremacists, then great. If he responded positively, all the better. And indeed such would quite likely be newsworthy. On Fox, on CNN, on MSNBC, on whatever. But that's not what went down at all.

Folks involved are earning a living off of race politics. Al Shartpon and Jesse have made a living that way. I had my first encounter with the Heritage Foundation in the early 90s when I attended a small
Meeting with their leadership. Saw them for what they were.

[a fan]

Seems reasonable to me to say that the MAGA-bomber was inspired/radicalized by Trump in much the same way that we've had domestic Islamic terrorists inspired/radicalized by ISIS.

How's this guy any different than, say, the San Bernardino killers? Other than the fact that this guy was bad at bomb making.

So Tipper Gore was right? Rock and Roll is putting ideas in kids heads, and tearing America apart?

Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people. This dude has to accept the consequences for his actions.

And as I said, the Dems and R's have to wake up and tone it down. The Dems had the high ground, and foolishly gave it up. This could EASILY have been a Dem nutjob, following urges to "kick them" when they "go low".

[tech37]

I

So stop with the false equivalencies. Trump’s Republican Party ... and ONLY the Republican Party ... has lost its moral and ethical bearings and any respect for the democratic institutions that have preserved our union for over two centuries. The only solution is to vote and strip the Republican Party of its power so that Trump and his MAGA goons can go back under the rocks from which they came and simmer in their own impotent rage.

Did Trump tell them to make pipe bombs? Nope.

Did he use dangerous rhetoric? Yep.

Wouldn't it be lovely if Democrats could say that their side doesn't do that? How long before the message that it's ok to terrorize an American eating a plate of food spirals into pipe bombs?

You HAD the high ground when Obama was in office. You gave it up with the Resistance. With the Antifa. Will the calls for "kicking", instead "when they go low, we go high".

You ceded the moral high ground. Don't complain when you get called out on it. Your party CHOSE to roll around in the mud with Trump. Blame someone else for that choice.

Seems reasonable to me to say that the MAGA-bomber was inspired/radicalized by Trump in much the same way that we've had domestic Islamic terrorists inspired/radicalized by ISIS.

How's this guy any different than, say, the San Bernardino killers? Other than the fact that this guy was bad at bomb making.

So Tipper Gore was right? Rock and Roll is putting ideas in kids heads, and tearing America apart?

Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people. This dude has to accept the consequences for his actions.

And as I said, the Dems and R's have to wake up and tone it down. The Dems had the high ground, and foolishly gave it up. This could EASILY have been a Dem nutjob, following urges to "kick them" when they "go low".

+1 a fan...+1

[runrussellrun]

I

So stop with the false equivalencies. Trump’s Republican Party ... and ONLY the Republican Party ... has lost its moral and ethical bearings and any respect for the democratic institutions that have preserved our union for over two centuries. The only solution is to vote and strip the Republican Party of its power so that Trump and his MAGA goons can go back under the rocks from which they came and simmer in their own impotent rage.

Did Trump tell them to make pipe bombs? Nope.

Did he use dangerous rhetoric? Yep.

Wouldn't it be lovely if Democrats could say that their side doesn't do that? How long before the message that it's ok to terrorize an American eating a plate of food spirals into pipe bombs?

You HAD the high ground when Obama was in office. You gave it up with the Resistance. With the Antifa. Will the calls for "kicking", instead "when they go low, we go high".

You ceded the moral high ground. Don't complain when you get called out on it. Your party CHOSE to roll around in the mud with Trump. Blame someone else for that choice.

More well readed minds know that some of this may be true, some may be true too. Huh?

In other words, Eric Holder refused to prosecute "thugs" outside of Philly polling stations. He also refused to prosecute "thugs" that donated to his boss at central park west, south hampton, north end boston . And, that boss, Obama, sweet talker that he is, did more to damage our US Constitution than most let on. (AP anywone ) Could cite thousands of examples, but lets just look at Obama's viewpoint of Eddy Snowed-inn, regarding Constitutional rights.
But, I have NEVER heard a US President say "punch that guy", like tRump has.

Agree, the MSM rants about negative tRumpisms 24/7. Ignore the man. Does Cuomo spend EVERY show on Trump?

[runrussellrun]

jeezus H, now blacks have to be isolated from certain groups (or maybe all groups except NAACP?) to be considered authentic?.....seems equality is even bigoted for some. Seems you are just as guilty for wanting to perpetuate the issue instead of applauding them for being involved in politics and higher learning.

As for the news MDLax, I did a word search (for key words.... Leadership, Summit, and Black) on the homepage of each of the major news websites, notta....as I wrote below. Just seems odd the story was buried.

I don't know how the orgs, including Fox, do their keyword searches, but I had no difficulty finding the stories by using google. I doubt very much that Fox 'buried' anything that would be seen as favorable to this Administration.

Who said anything about the NAACP or "authentic"? As I thought I made clear, as a Republican I'd certainly welcome many, many more African Americans and other minority folks into the party. Certainly under any normal circumstances.

"involved with politics" certainly that should be encouraged for us all. Nothing I wrote suggests otherwise. What I did say is that there are those on the left and the right who utilize their race or other specific status as an 'industry'. Do you actually disagree that such is the case?

As to 'higher learning' I have no idea what you are referring to. Are these folks seeking 'higher learning' with this summit? Strange definition.

The issue right now is that Trump has fanned the flames of bigotry and in specific white supremacy. He had demonized the "Other" at every turn. So, visiting this current White House, and applauding rather than confronting this POTUS, specifically as a "Young Black" person raises the question as to true motivation. I see "industry" and personal advancement through race in this choice.

Now, if they went to the White House, utilizing their status as 'conservatives' and black Republicans and openly challenged the President to live up to his rhetoric of support for the black community and to thoroughly reject in all sense the support of white supremacists, then great. If he responded positively, all the better. And indeed such would quite likely be newsworthy. On Fox, on CNN, on MSNBC, on whatever. But that's not what went down at all.

Folks involved are earning a living off of race politics. Al Shartpon and Jesse have made a living that way. I had my first encounter with the Heritage Foundation in the early 90s when I attended a small
Meeting with their leadership. Saw them for what they were.

Ah....you're forgetting our former Massachusettes Gov., who also made a small fortune race baiting while at a certain soda company. Holder was the pulling guard on the play action for some yellow, curved food.

[runrussellrun]

12 shot, at least 4 dead (some reports say 8 dead), Pittsburgh synagogue during Shabbat services. One gunman in custody.

Early indications indeed anti-Semitic hate crime. More to learn.

Trump calls it 'just a shame', 'happening all over the world', and 'something has to be done'.

suspect's name is reported as Robert Bowers, age 46, white, a native of Pittsburgh and who has a long history of antisemitism


I believe Tree of Life synagogue is Messianic -- CORRECTION: it is not Messianic but is "traditional, progressive, and egalitarian" (per website)

Don't you think this belongs on the gun thread? Or, we (you) could just as easily blame this on the anti-Israel, anti-Semtic comments from the dozens of other politicians and candidates. Ocasaio- Sanchez, Obama's friendship with Farrakon.....guess that will NEVER count. (sure, sure, Barrack left the church BEFORE this went public, which it never did ) Because, if at a political event, and I saw David Duke or other scumbags, I would have them escorted out. I certainly wouldn't stand next to them for a photo op. I have a spine. Principles. Not a pretend. Hate, publically, but calmly.

Oh....wait, you all do. You just dont THINK you do.

[Typical Lax Dad]

jeezus H, now blacks have to be isolated from certain groups (or maybe all groups except NAACP?) to be considered authentic?.....seems equality is even bigoted for some. Seems you are just as guilty for wanting to perpetuate the issue instead of applauding them for being involved in politics and higher learning.

As for the news MDLax, I did a word search (for key words.... Leadership, Summit, and Black) on the homepage of each of the major news websites, notta....as I wrote below. Just seems odd the story was buried.

I don't know how the orgs, including Fox, do their keyword searches, but I had no difficulty finding the stories by using google. I doubt very much that Fox 'buried' anything that would be seen as favorable to this Administration.

Who said anything about the NAACP or "authentic"? As I thought I made clear, as a Republican I'd certainly welcome many, many more African Americans and other minority folks into the party. Certainly under any normal circumstances.

"involved with politics" certainly that should be encouraged for us all. Nothing I wrote suggests otherwise. What I did say is that there are those on the left and the right who utilize their race or other specific status as an 'industry'. Do you actually disagree that such is the case?

As to 'higher learning' I have no idea what you are referring to. Are these folks seeking 'higher learning' with this summit? Strange definition.

The issue right now is that Trump has fanned the flames of bigotry and in specific white supremacy. He had demonized the "Other" at every turn. So, visiting this current White House, and applauding rather than confronting this POTUS, specifically as a "Young Black" person raises the question as to true motivation. I see "industry" and personal advancement through race in this choice.

Now, if they went to the White House, utilizing their status as 'conservatives' and black Republicans and openly challenged the President to live up to his rhetoric of support for the black community and to thoroughly reject in all sense the support of white supremacists, then great. If he responded positively, all the better. And indeed such would quite likely be newsworthy. On Fox, on CNN, on MSNBC, on whatever. But that's not what went down at all.

Folks involved are earning a living off of race politics. Al Shartpon and Jesse have made a living that way. I had my first encounter with the Heritage Foundation in the early 90s when I attended a small
Meeting with their leadership. Saw them for what they were.

Ah....you're forgetting our former Massachusettes Gov., who also made a small fortune race baiting while at a certain soda company. Holder was the pulling guard on the play action.

Include him too if it makes you feel good. Good you outline Jesse and Al’s career arc versus his?

[MDlaxfan76]

Seems reasonable to me to say that the MAGA-bomber was inspired/radicalized by Trump in much the same way that we've had domestic Islamic terrorists inspired/radicalized by ISIS.

How's this guy any different than, say, the San Bernardino killers? Other than the fact that this guy was bad at bomb making.

So Tipper Gore was right? Rock and Roll is putting ideas in kids heads, and tearing America apart?

Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people. This dude has to accept the consequences for his actions.

And as I said, the Dems and R's have to wake up and tone it down. The Dems had the high ground, and foolishly gave it up. This could EASILY have been a Dem nutjob, following urges to "kick them" when they "go low".

Of course the "dude has to accept the consequences for his actions". No one suggested otherwise.

You make a perfectly fine point about Dems and "moral high ground". But it really isn't a moral equivalency nevertheless.

In terms of "high ground" the Dem leadership, especially as personified by the most recent President and Vice President, have taken an enormously different tone. You can argue that some of the Dem leaders have taken some steps down the hill from the pinnacle 'high ground' but they are from from in the gutter with the current POTUS nor do they have nearly the same bull horn or level of responsibility.

And, yes, Antifa has gotten down in the mud, the gutter with the low-lifes of the hard right. Fair point, and we should all reject violence from either side. But really, same as white nationalists? Nope.

But yes, both Dems and GOP in leadership, and their supporters, should tone down the hateful rhetoric and certainly should decry the violence.

But please understand that the reality of these past 3 years has been an enormous spike in violence against Jews, Muslims, and their places of worship and a dramatic rise in open membership in white nationalist groups.

[Brooklyn]

... Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people ...

but he has encouraged and fomented violence through his rhetoric:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-tr ... d=48415766

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Ah....you're forgetting our former Massachusettes Gov., who also made a small fortune race baiting while at a certain soda company. Holder was the pulling guard on the play action.

Include him too if it makes you feel good. Good you outline Jesse and Al’s career arc versus his?

[/quote]
Whose, Eric Holders or Deval Patrick? Run into the latter because we share family homes in the mountains. Maybe I'll ask him.

[runrussellrun]

... Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people ...

but he has encouraged and fomented violence through his rhetoric:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-tr ... d=48415766

SUre.....punching and "body slamming" is the same as shooting and bombing. Interesting that people pay HUGE amounts of money to watch both. N$aa even sanctions "body slamming", as does the Olympics (punching ) . Blaming tRump for a Secret Service agent doing their job? There have ALWAYS been sick people. What are/were the politics of the Black Water murderers? exactly

Nope, no one like him (tRump) he is a vile man. Is there NO reflection, contrition, that YOU gave us him by offering up and railroading Hillary to the head of the class.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Ah....you're forgetting our former Massachusettes Gov., who also made a small fortune race baiting while at a certain soda company. Holder was the pulling guard on the play action.

Include him too if it makes you feel good. Good you outline Jesse and Al’s career arc versus his?

Whose, Eric Holders or Deval Patrick? Run into the latter because we share family homes in the mountains. Maybe I'll ask him.[/quote]

Either is fine. Just wondering how their career arcs compares to Al and Jesse but again TAATS or TALA right?

[MDlaxfan76]

12 shot, at least 4 dead (some reports say 8 dead), Pittsburgh synagogue during Shabbat services. One gunman in custody.

Early indications indeed anti-Semitic hate crime. More to learn.

Trump calls it 'just a shame', 'happening all over the world', and 'something has to be done'.

suspect's name is reported as Robert Bowers, age 46, white, a native of Pittsburgh and who has a long history of antisemitism


I believe Tree of Life synagogue is Messianic -- CORRECTION: it is not Messianic but is "traditional, progressive, and egalitarian" (per website)

Don't you think this belongs on the gun thread? Or, we (you) could just as easily blame this on the anti-Israel, anti-Semtic comments from the dozens of other politicians and candidates. Ocasaio- Sanchez, Obama's friendship with Farrakon.....guess that will NEVER count. (sure, sure, Barrack left the church BEFORE this went public, which it never did ) Because, if at a political event, and I saw David Duke or other scumbags, I would have them escorted out. I certainly wouldn't stand next to them for a photo op. I have a spine. Principles. Not a pretend. Hate, publically, but calmly.

Oh....wait, you all do. You just dont THINK you do.

I'm comfortable with this being on the Orange Duce thread. Hate crime.
As I said above, there's been a dramatic spike over the last 3 years of such and a big increase in the open membership ranks of white nationalist groups.

Glad to hear you would feel the same way about David Duke et al.

Have no idea why you think Obama had a "friendship" with Farrakhan. He did meet with him once as part of the Black Caucus.
Rev. Wright church goer yes. And that was a problem.

Good analysis here. https://smerconish.com/michael/obama-farrakhan/

"Footage of Wright became a nightly feature on Fox News and dogged the Obama campaign. On April 29th, 2008, Obama finally declared, “Wright’s comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.”

In that same speech, Obama mentioned another controversial figure, saying that when “Wright suggests that Minister [Louis] Farrakhan [the leader of the Nation of Islam] somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century… then there are no excuses” for Reverend Wright’s words."

[runrussellrun]

Seems reasonable to me to say that the MAGA-bomber was inspired/radicalized by Trump in much the same way that we've had domestic Islamic terrorists inspired/radicalized by ISIS.

How's this guy any different than, say, the San Bernardino killers? Other than the fact that this guy was bad at bomb making.

So Tipper Gore was right? Rock and Roll is putting ideas in kids heads, and tearing America apart?

Yes, I agree that Trump should be held to a higher standard as President. Yes, calling the American Media "the enemy" is inherently dangerous. Yes, I believe the Republican party should tell Trump to shut up with that stuff.

But Trump didn't tell his followers to bomb people. This dude has to accept the consequences for his actions.

And as I said, the Dems and R's have to wake up and tone it down. The Dems had the high ground, and foolishly gave it up. This could EASILY have been a Dem nutjob, following urges to "kick them" when they "go low".

Of course the "dude has to accept the consequences for his actions". No one suggested otherwise.

You make a perfectly fine point about Dems and "moral high ground". But it really isn't a moral equivalency nevertheless.

In terms of "high ground" the Dem leadership, especially as personified by the most recent President and Vice President, have taken an enormously different tone. You can argue that some of the Dem leaders have taken some steps down the hill from the pinnacle 'high ground' but they are from from in the gutter with the current POTUS nor do they have nearly the same bull horn or level of responsibility.

And, yes, Antifa has gotten down in the mud, the gutter with the low-lifes of the hard right. Fair point, and we should all reject violence from either side. But really, same as white nationalists? Nope.

But yes, both Dems and GOP in leadership, and their supporters, should tone down the hateful rhetoric and certainly should decry the violence.

But please understand that the reality of these past 3 years has been an enormous spike in violence against Jews, Muslims, and their places of worship and a dramatic rise in open membership in white nationalist groups.

Did you watch the video of the racist Liz Warren supporter attacking a brown US Senate candidate? Did you see this on CNN or MSNBC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBQEBPLziDg

Ah....this doesn't count. SO many like this all across the country. The WHITE woman being attacked, egged, that was OK too? Hypocrites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIMt9JxugQ

go to :13 second, woman being punched. Ignore the truth all you want. This stuff is reported equally. not.

[runrussellrun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2zcOP9zV8

This didn't happen either. Don't have time for this type of ignorance, blaming one side, but not the other.

[runrussellrun]

12 shot, at least 4 dead (some reports say 8 dead), Pittsburgh synagogue during Shabbat services. One gunman in custody.

Early indications indeed anti-Semitic hate crime. More to learn.

Trump calls it 'just a shame', 'happening all over the world', and 'something has to be done'.

suspect's name is reported as Robert Bowers, age 46, white, a native of Pittsburgh and who has a long history of antisemitism


I believe Tree of Life synagogue is Messianic -- CORRECTION: it is not Messianic but is "traditional, progressive, and egalitarian" (per website)

Don't you think this belongs on the gun thread? Or, we (you) could just as easily blame this on the anti-Israel, anti-Semtic comments from the dozens of other politicians and candidates. Ocasaio- Sanchez, Obama's friendship with Farrakon.....guess that will NEVER count. (sure, sure, Barrack left the church BEFORE this went public, which it never did ) Because, if at a political event, and I saw David Duke or other scumbags, I would have them escorted out. I certainly wouldn't stand next to them for a photo op. I have a spine. Principles. Not a pretend. Hate, publically, but calmly.

Oh....wait, you all do. You just dont THINK you do.

I'm comfortable with this being on the Orange Duce thread. Hate crime.
As I said above, there's been a dramatic spike over the last 3 years of such and a big increase in the open membership ranks of white nationalist groups.

Glad to hear you would feel the same way about David Duke et al.

Have no idea why you think Obama had a "friendship" with Farrakhan. He did meet with him once as part of the Black Caucus.
Rev. Wright church goer yes. And that was a problem.

Good analysis here. https://smerconish.com/michael/obama-farrakhan/

"Footage of Wright became a nightly feature on Fox News and dogged the Obama campaign. On April 29th, 2008, Obama finally declared, “Wright’s comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.”

In that same speech, Obama mentioned another controversial figure, saying that when “Wright suggests that Minister [Louis] Farrakhan [the leader of the Nation of Islam] somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century… then there are no excuses” for Reverend Wright’s words."

Where are you getting the increase in white nationalist membership increase from? Is Ducks Unlimited included in membership? Or, are you making this stuff up. Increases in violence against tRump supporters just doesn't count. Recently say graffiti on a tRump supporters fence, very hateful.

To claim tRump is anti-Semitic is crazy, isn't it? That would mean he dislikes/hates the daughter he would date if she wasn't his daughter, because she is Jewish. Or the husband/son in law would be put on "Carlo" type duty, instead of working in the administration.

To blame tRump for this horrible pittsburg crime is to blame tRump for the anti-Semitic remarks by Ocasio-Sanchez too.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Everyone knows by now that Obama was part of the Nation of Islam. I was stopped at a light in Boston a few weeks ago and a guy wearing a bow tie and a pork pie hat came up to my car trying to sell a copy of the Final Call and a bean pie..I looked up and said Barry what are you doing out here....He said he was just spreading the word for Minister FarraCon and asked me if I could give him a few dollars. I would not have believed it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes. He was taller than I expected!

[runrussellrun]

Everyone knows by now that Obama was part of the Nation of Islam. I was stopped at a light in Boston a few weeks ago and a guy wearing a bow tie and a pork pie hat came up to my car trying to sell a copy of the Final Call and a bean pie..I looked up and said Barry what are you doing out here....He said he was just spreading the word for Minister FarraCon and asked me if I could give him a few dollars. I would not have believed it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes. He was taller than I expected!

Was this outside the Hyde Park wing joint, or Inman square?

[runrussellrun]

According the once great SPLC (Southern Poverty ) there indeed WAS an increase, by 4%, of groups that they identified as "HATE"

All of them are BLACK hate groups, unless the 40 new Black hate groups doesn't translate to 4% of 954

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/02/ ... tg.twitter

This tells us what, exactly? Exactly.

Of course, the SPLC still has Nation of Islam in it's top 5......but uses the leaders quote in the article like we should respect the guy. Why they are no longer great.