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How do you feel about evidence and witness being available for the impeachment trial. You for evidence and witnesses or are you against it? If you are for it, why? If you are against it, why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:40 pm Schumer see dead people? https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oTXvEnmaj ... hv4vos4kxr
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Thanks for posting this article. Very interesting.seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:18 pm Another venerated conservative calls bullsh@t:
https://www.newsweek.com/reagans-solici ... ssion=true
The U.S. Steel case has not gotten nearly enough attention during the Trump era. While the actions Truman took then were more extreme than what Trump has done, the teachings of that case are very relevant today in terms of the limitations on the president’s power.
Loved this quote: Trump “lies the way other people breathe.” I think Trump would pass a lie detector test. He is such a pathological liar that he probably often isn’t aware when he’s telling the truth and when he’s lying.
I am concerned about Fried’s statement that it is not clear whether the president can obstruct justice. Granted there is no Supreme Court decision on point, but I think it is (or should be) crystal clear that he can. Otherwise, the president is above the law, which simply can’t be the case in our system of government.
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Agreed; I liked this quote from the article (apparently taken from the conversation with Fried):njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:09 pmThanks for posting this article. Very interesting.seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:18 pm Another venerated conservative calls bullsh@t:
https://www.newsweek.com/reagans-solici ... ssion=true
The U.S. Steel case has not gotten nearly enough attention during the Trump era. While the actions Truman took then were more extreme than what Trump has done, the teachings of that case are very relevant today in terms of the limitations on the president’s power.
Loved this quote: Trump “lies the way other people breathe.” I think Trump would pass a lie detector test. He is such a pathological liar that he probably often isn’t aware when he’s telling the truth and when he’s lying.
I am concerned about Fried’s statement that it is not clear whether the president can obstruct justice. Granted there is no Supreme Court decision on point, but I think it is (or should be) crystal clear that he can. Otherwise, the president is above the law, which simply can’t be the case in our system of government.
"The principal one is "to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." The laws made by Congress. And to do so faithfully. Not trickily. Not underhandedly. Not by transferring [money from one budget to another] and calling emergencies—as with the building of the wall."
After the GOP Congress's eager acquiescence to the rerouting of appropriated funds, where it had earlier rejected funds of that magnitude for the wall (that Mexico would pay for), it is hard to be surprised at the fecklessness the GOP House and Senate members are now showing daily, hourly, minute by minute.
If you had told me in 1984 that I would long for the Reagan cast of characters -- Meese, Deaver, Regan, Jim Baker, GHWB -- I'd have told you that you were nuts. Fried was Reagan's Solicitor General; talk about quality people.
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We have the F team and it's only going to get worse.seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:27 pmAgreed; I liked this quote from the article (apparently taken from the conversation with Fried):njbill wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:09 pmThanks for posting this article. Very interesting.seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:18 pm Another venerated conservative calls bullsh@t:
https://www.newsweek.com/reagans-solici ... ssion=true
The U.S. Steel case has not gotten nearly enough attention during the Trump era. While the actions Truman took then were more extreme than what Trump has done, the teachings of that case are very relevant today in terms of the limitations on the president’s power.
Loved this quote: Trump “lies the way other people breathe.” I think Trump would pass a lie detector test. He is such a pathological liar that he probably often isn’t aware when he’s telling the truth and when he’s lying.
I am concerned about Fried’s statement that it is not clear whether the president can obstruct justice. Granted there is no Supreme Court decision on point, but I think it is (or should be) crystal clear that he can. Otherwise, the president is above the law, which simply can’t be the case in our system of government.
"The principal one is "to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." The laws made by Congress. And to do so faithfully. Not trickily. Not underhandedly. Not by transferring [money from one budget to another] and calling emergencies—as with the building of the wall."
After the GOP Congress's eager acquiescence to the rerouting of appropriated funds, where it had earlier rejected funds of that magnitude for the wall (that Mexico would pay for), it is hard to be surprised at the fecklessness the GOP House and Senate members are now showing daily, hourly, minute by minute.
If you had told me in 1984 that I would long for the Reagan cast of characters -- Meese, Deaver, Regan, Jim Baker, GHWB -- I'd have told you that you were nuts. Fried was Reagan's Solicitor General; talk about quality people.
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Let it all hang out. As Drago said in Rocky IV “ if he dies, he dies”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 pmHow do you feel about evidence and witness being available for the impeachment trial. You for evidence and witnesses or are you against it? If you are for it, why? If you are against it, why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:40 pm Schumer see dead people? https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oTXvEnmaj ... hv4vos4kxr
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
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Why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:35 pmLet it all hang out. As Drago said in Rocky IV “ if he dies, he dies”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 pmHow do you feel about evidence and witness being available for the impeachment trial. You for evidence and witnesses or are you against it? If you are for it, why? If you are against it, why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:40 pm Schumer see dead people? https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oTXvEnmaj ... hv4vos4kxr
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That's the spirit, YA.youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:35 pmLet it all hang out. As Drago said in Rocky IV “ if he dies, he dies”Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 pmHow do you feel about evidence and witness being available for the impeachment trial. You for evidence and witnesses or are you against it? If you are for it, why? If you are against it, why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:40 pm Schumer see dead people? https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oTXvEnmaj ... hv4vos4kxr
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Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
“I wish you would!”
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As Rocky said in closing speech post fight vs Drago...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:08 pmHow do you feel about evidence and witness being available for the impeachment trial. You for evidence and witnesses or are you against it? If you are for it, why? If you are against it, why?youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:40 pm Schumer see dead people? https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oTXvEnmaj ... hv4vos4kxr
“I've seen a lot of changing, in the way you feel about me, and in the way I feel about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than twenty million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!"
In the end, maybe some good will come from this b
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
~Livy
“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” -Soren Kierkegaard
Re: The IMPEACHMENT of President Asterisk
Perverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
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So having Ukraine investigate the Bidens changes all that crap you just wrote and makes it ok to give them the financial assistance?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pmPerverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
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Come on TLD, Salty simply wants to do whatever is good for Vlad and ethnonationalist authoritarianism..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:17 pmSo having Ukraine investigate the Bidens changes all that dump you just wrote and makes it ok to give them the financial assistance?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pmPerverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
Beyond that, it's just what you can extract, what you can squeeze.
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Mexico wants its historic borders back......more drivel....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:26 pmCome on TLD, Salty simply wants to do whatever is good for Vlad and ethnonationalist authoritarianism..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:17 pmSo having Ukraine investigate the Bidens changes all that dump you just wrote and makes it ok to give them the financial assistance?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pmPerverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
Beyond that, it's just what you can extract, what you can squeeze.
“I wish you would!”
Re: The IMPEACHMENT of President Asterisk
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pm Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Ukraine's GDP is #57 in the world.
Why the F did Trump reinforce Poland if the Polish can defend themselves from Russia so easily?
Poland's GDP is three times larger than Ukraine's, for heaven's sake.
And now you're telling us that Ukraine can handle Putin no problem, while the Polish need our help? You sure about this?
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more VDH drivel.....a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 pmold salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pm Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Ukraine's GDP is #57 in the world.
Why the F did Trump reinforce Poland if the Polish can defend themselves from Russia so easily?
Poland's GDP is three times larger than Ukraine's, for heaven's sake.
And now you're telling us that Ukraine can handle Putin no problem, while the Polish need our help? You sure about this?
“I wish you would!”
Re: The IMPEACHMENT of President Asterisk
They're Mexico's for the taking, if they want them.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:30 pmMexico wants its historic borders back......more drivel....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:26 pmCome on TLD, Salty simply wants to do whatever is good for Vlad and ethnonationalist authoritarianism..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:17 pmSo having Ukraine investigate the Bidens changes all that dump you just wrote and makes it ok to give them the financial assistance?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pmPerverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
Beyond that, it's just what you can extract, what you can squeeze.
They'd prefer to send their poor N to suck our on our social safety teats, while sending billions in remittances home.
We have no strategic imperative to protect Ukraine. Certainly no more than our NATO allies who want them as an EU trading partner.
None of you gave a fig about Ukraine before the 2016 election.
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Poland's a NATO ally -- Article 4.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:35 pmmore VDH drivel.....a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 pmold salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pm Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Ukraine's GDP is #57 in the world.
Why the F did Trump reinforce Poland if the Polish can defend themselves from Russia so easily?
Poland's GDP is three times larger than Ukraine's, for heaven's sake.
And now you're telling us that Ukraine can handle Putin no problem, while the Polish need our help? You sure about this?
Ukraine's a NATO wannabe.
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All I know is the POTUS broke the law because he wanted an investigation announced (on TV) into his political rival.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:38 pmPoland's a NATO ally -- Article 4.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:35 pmmore VDH drivel.....a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 pmold salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pm Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Ukraine's GDP is #57 in the world.
Why the F did Trump reinforce Poland if the Polish can defend themselves from Russia so easily?
Poland's GDP is three times larger than Ukraine's, for heaven's sake.
And now you're telling us that Ukraine can handle Putin no problem, while the Polish need our help? You sure about this?
Ukraine's a NATO wannabe.
“I wish you would!”
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Why didn't we formally withdraw our support, comrade? It is not illegal. Have congress write some legislation. That's the lawful way.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:36 pmThey're Mexico's for the taking, if they want them.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:30 pmMexico wants its historic borders back......more drivel....MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:26 pmCome on TLD, Salty simply wants to do whatever is good for Vlad and ethnonationalist authoritarianism..Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:17 pmSo having Ukraine investigate the Bidens changes all that dump you just wrote and makes it ok to give them the financial assistance?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 pmPerverted history. You grossly overstate the assurances the US made 25 years ago, along with the UK, Russia, France & China.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:45 pm Watching Schiff. He strings together his arguments with facts and logic. He does not leave a lot of room for any other conclusion other than what he drives at. I can't imagine what this would look like with the documentary evidence that won't be released and with witness testimony. My guess is that the Republicans will be all about Hunter Biden. It's a sad state of affairs. Why any country, going forward, would give up or not pursue nuclear weapons because we offer to provide military assistance is beyond me. The world won't be safer.
Kuchma's decision to choose Ukrainian independence destroyed the hope of a united, stable post-Soviet, Russian Federation, within it's historic borders & assured the divisions & unrest which persist to this day within the former USSR & Imperial Russia.
Ukraine was the wealthiest, most prosperous (per capita) republic of the USSR, with disproportionate wealth, industrial & ag capacity.
They were prominent in the Soviet military & leaders in the USSR's arms industry.
In the ensuing 25 years, they had the capacity to outstrip Russia militarily.
They certainly should be able to defend themselves.
Like their Russian neighbors & Slavic cousins, they are the victim of their own pervasive corruption, not any failure of the US to protect them.
Beyond that, it's just what you can extract, what you can squeeze.
They'd prefer to send their poor N to suck our on our social safety teats, while sending billions in remittances home.
We have no strategic imperative to protect Ukraine. Certainly no more than our NATO allies who want them as an EU trading partner.
None of you gave a fig about Ukraine before the 2016 election.
“I wish you would!”