Conservatives and Liberals

[Typical Lax Dad]

Rural America:

https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.o ... ecline?amp

https://www.statnews.com/2019/02/21/law ... s-closing/

[a fan]

Thanks TLD.

The sad, pitiful part of it all, is that so many people (not all) in rural America are letting multimillionaires like Hannity and Rush convince them that socialism is bad. They're doing this to themselves. They cannot survive without socialism and Federal handouts. Full stop.

Every time I want to say "screw 'em, they're doing this to themselves", I just get depressed, and just wish they could think their political choices through and make good choices for their way of life. America is far, far better off with a healthy rural population.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks TLD.

The sad, pitiful part of it all, is that so many people (not all) in rural America are letting multimillionaires like Hannity and Rush convince them that socialism is bad. They're doing this to themselves. They cannot survive without socialism and Federal handouts. Full stop.

Every time I want to say "screw 'em, they're doing this to themselves", I just get depressed, and just wish they could think their political choices through and make good choices for their way of life. America is far, far better off with a healthy rural population.

It is why I often use the term brainwashed. These poor rural folks are thinking and voting like PB.

[kramerica.inc]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

[a fan]

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Why Baltimore? Why not cite rural cities that have far more dependency on socialism and welfare?

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Who are you referring to here? Pete Brown and his socialist degree from a Government State University that's, as you put it, dependent on socialism and his representative in Congress?

Or are you referring to University of Maryland Grads who took my tax dollars to subsidize the education that puts food on their table every day?

Please clarify.

[old salt]

rural cities ?

[a fan]

Rural areas? Villages? Unincorporated town? Whatever works....

[Peter Brown]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

[ToastDunk]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

Who's being hyperbolic now?

You like the word "neutralize" PB. It gives me a discomforting chill up my spine every time I read it. Anyone else experiencing this reaction?

[Typical Lax Dad]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

My guess is 90% or murders in Baltimore are drug related. And you confuse socialism with communism.

[MDlaxfan76]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

Who's being hyperbolic now?

You like the word "neutralize" PB. It gives me a discomforting chill up my spine every time I read it. Anyone else experiencing this reaction?

Yup. chilling.

I'd like to know what PB has done to help the residents of Baltimore (or any other city or town with non-white majority). How many families' homes has he visited, classrooms, clinics in those areas he describes?

Ghettoization of poverty is indeed an enormous problem and where he and Kramerica and I might agree is that what our society has done, so far, to address this problem has not worked, or at least not for enough people.

I don't believe the problem is permanently intractable, nor do I believe the issue holding solutions back is "socialism". Crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

Likewise, I don't think the issues of poverty in less densely populated regions of America, the destroying of small town America in many areas, is due to "socialism" (albeit their regions receive much higher proportion of federal government funding than they produce in taxes). Again, crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

And I'm a capitalist and certainly more conservative than these Trump knuckleheads.

[MDlaxfan76]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

My guess is 90% or murders in Baltimore are drug related. And you confuse socialism with communism.

That's correct, by all reports. Drug gangs fighting over turf, and retribution.
Some violence in anger typically with those same younger people carrying guns.
Innocent bystanders get killed, but mostly it's those actively in the trade.
Selling mostly to white suburbanites.

Folks with options can move elsewhere, the drug trade remains.
And a whole lot of police have been in on the take.

IMO, this isn't going to stop, in Baltimore or anywhere else, until the profit is taken out of the drug trade.

[Typical Lax Dad]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

My guess is 90% or murders in Baltimore are drug related. And you confuse socialism with communism.

That's correct, by all reports. Drug gangs fighting over turf, and retribution.
Some violence in anger typically with those same younger people carrying guns.
Innocent bystanders get killed, but mostly it's those actively in the trade.
Selling mostly to white suburbanites.

Folks with options can move elsewhere, the drug trade remains.
And a whole lot of police have been in on the take.

IMO, this isn't going to stop, in Baltimore or anywhere else, until the profit is taken out of the drug trade.

Yep.

[Peter Brown]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

Who's being hyperbolic now?

You like the word "neutralize" PB. It gives me a discomforting chill up my spine every time I read it. Anyone else experiencing this reaction?

Yup. chilling.

I'd like to know what PB has done to help the residents of Baltimore (or any other city or town with non-white majority). How many families' homes has he visited, classrooms, clinics in those areas he describes?

Ghettoization of poverty is indeed an enormous problem and where he and Kramerica and I might agree is that what our society has done, so far, to address this problem has not worked, or at least not for enough people.

I don't believe the problem is permanently intractable, nor do I believe the issue holding solutions back is "socialism". Crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

Likewise, I don't think the issues of poverty in less densely populated regions of America, the destroying of small town America in many areas, is due to "socialism" (albeit their regions receive much higher proportion of federal government funding than they produce in taxes). Again, crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

And I'm a capitalist and certainly more conservative than these Trump knuckleheads.

The issue that’s critical is not how much money I or anyone has given to inner city youth, but WHY does the murder rate in Baltimore exceed that of third world countries. And no, it’s not ‘corruption’ or ‘totalitarianism’. WHY is corruption embedded in obscenely large Democrat run cities? Why? Why are the police incapable of exercising preventive policing, as opposed to simply showing up after the body drops? Why?

In your haste to assign personal failure on board posters who don’t even live in your city, you do the board a disservice. You should be debating “why” to all of the above.

Eyes don’t lie.

[a fan]

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

It's like talking to a right wing blueprint.

As I have said to dozens of guys who think EXACTLY like you do: what you want is "socialism for me, and the free market for other people".

So Pete LOVES his degree from a State University. That's cool. Or his government owned landing strips that artificially hold down his business costs. That's perfectly fine. He's also just fine with any and all handouts to Americans who live in rural America. Notice he and Kramerica named Baltimore as a problem, and insist it's because of socialism.....and yet rural Marylanders get far more in handouts and programs than city dwellers in Baltimore ever get.

IMHO, this is because they're simply familiar with Baltimore, and have no earthly idea just how much Federal and State $$$ flows to the poor in rural America.

This, btw, is where the left cries racism. Because what Kramerica and Pete are implying is that it's cool to send bottomless piles of cash to whites on farms, but oh-my-G*d "it's socialism" to send less cash to cities with large numbers of minorities. IMHO, this is unintentional, and it's just that they witness poverty in cities first hand, and don't ever see or deal with rural poverty. I do. It's not pretty.

So when Trump cuts a check to Farmers for $15 Billion in cash because he feels like it? They don't complain. That's all good. But when we turn our attention to poverty in urban centers? Out come the complaints.

What Pete wants to do is maintain his government protected market, and drop the aid to the poor in cities. He thinks he's working from a solid foundation of libertarian principles. Plainly, this isn't the case. He's just selfish. It's as simple as that.

Put me in charge. I'll cut ALL handouts. And then it's lights out for rural America. And those people will move to cities...and as studies show...become liberals. Fine by me.

And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

Woke Dems would love to have taken Trumps $15 Billion in cash that he handed to farmers for no reason at all, and give it to Baltimore.

Have a look at this list, fellas. Top 100 counties where per capita SNAP consumption is highest. Notice Baltimore is at #83. And remember, this is just SNAP, and doesn't count hundreds of million more dollars for rural programs that support farmers, hospitals, and the like.

https://www.dailyyonder.com/top-100-cou ... 018/05/07/

[MDlaxfan76]

AFan said:

And then in the next one you tell us that collective is not just good, it's just.

You're all over the place, and can't keep your beliefs straight.

Tell you what. Why don't you get this philosophy of yours straight and get back to us.

BTW, what I am asking is: using free market capitalism ONLY, figure out a way to get that 10 year old rural Colorado fed, educated, and employed by the time he reaches 18.

What I am illustrating to you is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a 1st world nation without socialism and Federal subsidies. It's why every single 1st world nation....without exception....has social programs, handouts, subsidies, and some form of socialism.

What you and your buddies at FoxNation have been telling everyone is the opposite. That free market is the only answer, and socialism is the devil.

Which is not only demonstrably a lie, it's DANGEROUS to tell Americans this, because it is making guys like you ungovernable.

If I'm your representative in Congress, and you tell me socialism is the devil? I'm going to vote to dismantle anything that is an example of socialism. So that means defunding public schools, defunding public parks, defunding public Universities, and defunding public hospitals.

And guess what? That's precisely what's happening not just Federally, but in many States as well.

So pull it together, figure out what your stance is, and get back to us....

AFan,

Show me how good federal socialism is doing keeping those urban youth fed, educated and employed in Baltimore etc.

Let me know if you have an issue with the urban brainwashing that keeps so many there dependent upon socialism and their representatives.

Keep those urban residents very “governable,” right, aFan?!

a fan makes a common mistake. He confuses a small act of (what he calls) socialism with a full-on socialist system.

Baltimore is a great city with three awful areas: East West and South. Eventually the murders and desiccation of East and West Baltimore will chase voters out and neutralize the voting public whereby a half decent mayor and representative group will get elected. Until then, the horrific nature of life in those three areas will continue. And woke Dems will turn a blind eye to a city whose per Capita murder rates are on par with some of the worst third world cities.

Who's being hyperbolic now?

You like the word "neutralize" PB. It gives me a discomforting chill up my spine every time I read it. Anyone else experiencing this reaction?

Yup. chilling.

I'd like to know what PB has done to help the residents of Baltimore (or any other city or town with non-white majority). How many families' homes has he visited, classrooms, clinics in those areas he describes?

Ghettoization of poverty is indeed an enormous problem and where he and Kramerica and I might agree is that what our society has done, so far, to address this problem has not worked, or at least not for enough people.

I don't believe the problem is permanently intractable, nor do I believe the issue holding solutions back is "socialism". Crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

Likewise, I don't think the issues of poverty in less densely populated regions of America, the destroying of small town America in many areas, is due to "socialism" (albeit their regions receive much higher proportion of federal government funding than they produce in taxes). Again, crony capitalism and corruption, yes.

And I'm a capitalist and certainly more conservative than these Trump knuckleheads.

The issue that’s critical is not how much money I or anyone has given to inner city youth, but WHY does the murder rate in Baltimore exceed that of third world countries. And no, it’s not ‘corruption’ or ‘totalitarianism’. WHY is corruption embedded in obscenely large Democrat run cities? Why? Why are the police incapable of exercising preventive policing, as opposed to simply showing up after the body drops? Why?

In your haste to assign personal failure on board posters who don’t even live in your city, you do the board a disservice. You should be debating “why” to all of the above.

Eyes don’t lie.

Try reading what I wrote, PB. I was asking what you'd done to help the residents of any non-white majority city or town. Not money (though that'd be one way to "help") but time. I asked "How many families' homes has he visited, classrooms, clinics in those areas he describes?"

My guess from your response is... nada.

Which means you have zero first hand insight to the folks who are struggling to make their communities better, to help their families be safe and successful, to resist the scourge of the drug trade.

I addressed the "why" directly.

Who drives the crony-capitalist corruption in the cities (this is true of Dem or GOP run cities)? It's the wealthy, white, suburban real estate players. They control the levers. They don't care in the slightest whether it's a Dem or R in the Mayor's office, they just want their tax breaks, the neighborhood of their real estate investments policed, they want any issues to be ghettoized. They only care about those issues when they spill over into their properties.

That's the painful reality. (not true of every single real estate developer, but that's where the crony-capitalism pulls the strings).

Now, I'm a huge critic of the multiple serial failures of political leadership of my city, Baltimore. It's downright disgusting.

But I don't ascribe it to "socialism".
That's the right wing media approach to try to divide us by race and demography.
No interest in actual solutions.
And it's code for race.
Ugly and stupid, but effective for sharpening viewer outrage.

[DMac]

a fan wrote
It's like talking to right wing blueprint.

Yup, seeing what you want to see, so to speak.

I'm afraid that "eyes don't lie aint all that accurate", PB.
All eyes ingest, still a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.
Eye witnesses in a court room aren't all that dependable, lot of wronfully convicted "prisoners" sitting in jail because of eye witnesses.
https://people.howstuffworks.com/eyewit ... liable.htm
Look no further than fans. Home team fans see a call one way, visitor's fans see it another way....even after watching a slo-mo replay. People all too often see what they want to see, not what they're really seeing. You're seeing the game the way you want to see it and nothing is going to change your mind.

[Typical Lax Dad]

a fan wrote
It's like talking to right wing blueprint.

Yup, seeing what you want to see, so to speak.

I'm afraid that "eyes don't lie aint all that accurate", PB.
All eyes ingest, still a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.
Eye witnesses in a court room aren't all that dependable, lot of wronfully convicted "prisoners" sitting in jail because of eye witnesses.
https://people.howstuffworks.com/eyewit ... liable.htm
Look no further than fans. Home team fans see a call one way, visitor's fans see it another way....even after watching a slo-mo replay. People all too often see what they want to see, not what they're really seeing. You're seeing the game the way you want to see it and nothing is going to change your mind.

And as a former college lacrosse coach told me....parents and recruits also hear what they want to hear.

[ToastDunk]

Try reading what I wrote, PB. I was asking what you'd done to help the residents of any non-white majority city or town. Not money (though that'd be one way to "help") but time. I asked "How many families' homes has he visited, classrooms, clinics in those areas he describes?"

My guess from your response is... nada.

Which means you have zero first hand insight to the folks who are struggling to make their communities better, to help their families be safe and successful, to resist the scourge of the drug trade.

I addressed the "why" directly.

Who drives the crony-capitalist corruption in the cities (this is true of Dem or GOP run cities)? It's the wealthy, white, suburban real estate players. They control the levers. They don't care in the slightest whether it's a Dem or R in the Mayor's office, they just want their tax breaks, the neighborhood of their real estate investments policed, they want any issues to be ghettoized. They only care about those issues when they spill over into their properties.

That's the painful reality. (not true of every single real estate developer, but that's where the crony-capitalism pulls the strings).

Now, I'm a huge critic of the multiple serial failures of political leadership of my city, Baltimore. It's downright disgusting.

But I don't ascribe it to "socialism".
That's the right wing media approach to try to divide us by race and demography.
No interest in actual solutions.
And it's code for race.
Ugly and stupid, but effective for sharpening viewer outrage.

Or these real estate developers "fix" the problem by taking over.

New Orleans' Lower Ninth Ward targeted for gentrification: 'It's going to feel like it belongs to the rich'
Basic services remain hard to find in the hardest-hit neighborhood during Hurricane Katrina but white millennials are driving up real estate prices. The latest development: a condo complex on the site of a bulldozed school
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rification

[jhu72]

What's wrong with Wyoming?