The Nation's Financial Condition

[a fan]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long

They're bewildering because I'm an entrepreneur, and you're not. You have no idea what you're talking about, yet you're pretending as though you do. You're not fooling anyone here. There are several of us here who have started with nothing, and build our own business. You're making your judgements based on the fact that in your job, you don't have to deal with ANY of these market forces.

please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware)

Bzzzt. Wrong again, my friend. Zoning regulations are THE regulations for business. I can't build anywhere I want. I can't build any size building I want. Complying with zoning laws is THE single biggest expense---both one time, and recurring---that my business must endure.

Wanna hear the regulations and rules for operating a distillery? (Drumroll) There aren't any that are specific to my industry. Notice I said for operation. Once I go to market? That's when the rules kick in. And every rule was written by distilleries to protect themselves from (drumroll) the counterfeiters that you think don't exist. The first one, that's still in use today, although in another form, is the Bottled in Bond Act of 1897. It was the very first consumer protection law that protected the IP of distilleries, and the health of consumers, who were dropping dead drinking tainted alcohol.

versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I have no clue what you think buyer unaware is, but in this country, you have access to all laws and regulations from the comfort of your own home computer. On the Federal side, they're known as the CFR's....the Code of Federal Regulations.

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents.

Bzzzzt. Wrong again. There's a whole raft of underlying rules surrounding construction and zoning that are ENTIRELY written by your hated bureaucrats. Look up Coconut Grove or Triangle Factory Fire and you'll find out why. Your free market at work, yet again.

Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I find the fact that you think our elected officials handle zoning and construction laws just charming. What they do is adopt things like the NFPA, and apply it to the city they work in. And the NFPA is amended routinely by......drumrolll....unelected pencil pushers.

But sure, keep living in Fantasyland. If you actually want to learn something? Tone down the know-it-all, and I'm happy to tell you what is REALLY sticking it to businesses. If you want to reduce regulations, as I said, 90% of what you have to deal with is local. Businesses like yours are different, because they literally effect the entire country. Same thing with plants that generate lots of pollution and waste. But outside of that? Contact your local rep to get rid of overregulation.

The thing is? Your beloved Republican party loooooves regulation just as much as the Dems do. If the ACTUALLY got rid of unneeded regulations? I'd be the biggest Republican booster you've ever seen. But that's not what they do, my young friend.

[foreverlax]

Trump Tax Break That Benefited the Rich Is Being Investigated

The Treasury Department’s watchdog said it was looking into the Opportunity Zone program, a multibillion-dollar tax break that is supposed to help low-income areas.

Last year, The Times reported how money eligible for the tax break — supported by both Democrats and Republicans — was going to luxury projects in affluent neighborhoods, including deals that were underway long before the tax break took effect.

The initiative allows people to sell stocks or other investments and delay capital gains taxes for years — as long as they put the proceeds into projects in federally certified opportunity zones. Investors can avoid federal taxes on any profits from those projects.

SNAFU!!

Glad you posted this, although it ironically supports my position that every government program passed will always be abused; it's in the DNA of government programs. Limit them.

Except this scam is only open to the .01% club members.

[CU88]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

[MDlaxfan76]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

I'd bet he's thinking that his gated community in Florida protects him "architectural standards".

[Typical Lax Dad]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

I wonder what these homeowners voted for: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8605917/h ... es-history

[foreverlax]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

I wonder what these homeowners voted for: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8605917/h ... es-history

All about money...

[a fan]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

I wonder what these homeowners voted for: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8605917/h ... es-history

Gee, I wonder if they did that for any of PeteBrown's airports and right of ways, so that he could put food on the table.

"That's different", right, Pete?

[Typical Lax Dad]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

I wonder what these homeowners voted for: https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8605917/h ... es-history

Gee, I wonder if they did that for any of PeteBrown's airports and right of ways, so that he could put food on the table.

"That's different", right, Pete?

Even Latrell Sprewell had mouths to feed. B

[Peter Brown]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

[MDlaxfan76]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

Gated community with "architectural standards"?

Looks nice if this is it: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/gal ... ch-florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor,_ ... y,_Florida

But nah, zoning is done much the same as in Maryland.

Here's your county: http://www.irccdd.com/Planning_Division/Index.htm

[CU88]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

[Peter Brown]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

[Typical Lax Dad]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

Gated community with "architectural standards"?

Looks nice if this is it: https://www.architecturaldigest.com/gal ... ch-florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor,_ ... y,_Florida

But nah, zoning is done much the same as in Maryland.

Here's your county: http://www.irccdd.com/Planning_Division/Index.htm

You mean the good people in east Baltimore don't vote on what happens to property in their community?

[MDlaxfan76]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

Yup, in your gated community. But if the town decides to put railroad tracks running beside that property, or heck right through that property, you can elect different politicians next time, but you don't vote on the zoning. You can appeal it, take them to court, slow it down, argue compensation etc.

Just like the ranchers in Texas fighting to keep "the Wall" off their land.

We have rules and processes, balances of power, designed to prevent abuses of power by any particular branch, including the executive...in this case, though, it would be your local such government.

[jhu72]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

Does the HOA collect monthly dues and have the ability to sue you for non-compliance with the HOA rules and you have agreed to pay the cost of litigation including their attorney fees. Without both of these clauses in the HOA agreement / covenants it is pretty hard for them to enforce any of their covenants.

I have the same type of covenants, but without those two clauses / articles. That second article / clause is the really problematic one for most home owners.

[Peter Brown]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

Does the HOA collect monthly dues and have the ability to sue you for non-compliance with the HOA rules and you have agreed to pay the cost of litigation including their attorney fees. Without both of these clauses in the HOA agreement / covenants it is pretty hard for them to enforce any of their covenants.

I have the same type of covenants, but without those two clauses / articles. That second article / clause is the really problematic one for most home owners.

I think we are perhaps a tad more genteel than having threats of lawsuits from the HOA. Everyone knows the rules coming in and abides by them. I’ll also say you can’t really buy here unless approved first, so there’s that.

[jhu72]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

Does the HOA collect monthly dues and have the ability to sue you for non-compliance with the HOA rules and you have agreed to pay the cost of litigation including their attorney fees. Without both of these clauses in the HOA agreement / covenants it is pretty hard for them to enforce any of their covenants.

I have the same type of covenants, but without those two clauses / articles. That second article / clause is the really problematic one for most home owners.

I think we are perhaps a tad more genteel than having threats of lawsuits from the HOA. Everyone knows the rules coming in and abides by them. I’ll also say you can’t really buy here unless approved first, so there’s that.

Yea, I couldn't buy here either unless I was approved. I wrote a check and it didn't bounce.


It's not a question of genteel. It's a question of smart. I don't care where you live, there is always someone in the neighborhood who has a problem with something someone is doing to their property. Too many trees, not enough trees, where the trees are planted, wrong kind of trees / shrubs, color scheme of your home, why do you have that breed of dog?, etc. The smallest lot in my community is 3 acres, the largest is 20 acres, every house (33 of them) is (was) a multimillion dollar home. You would think people would have better things to do with their time than worry about what their neighbor is doing. When we moved in (nearly 20 years ago) two of the neighbors at the farthest distance from my home were engaged in a dispute over a 6 foot television dish. Both lots were 10 acre lots. They could barely see one another given the tree cover and home placements. The TV dish couldn't be seen from the lot owned by the one homeowner who was complaining. Of course the covenants had a restriction against TV dishes. Our covenants did not include either of the clauses I described. The complaining neighbor could do nothing but complain or take the other neighbor to court personally to try to enforce the covenants. He tried to get the homeowners to change the covenants so we would enforce his complaint. This guy had plenty of money as did the guy with the TV dish. We refused to change the covenants and he sold his home and left the community. This guy was a problem in general, he wanted to convert the community to a gated community as well, which pretty much everyone in the community was opposed to. 200+ acre community with a single entrance/exit and he thought we needed a locked gate.

PS - I left out an important fact. The guy who was complaining was the President of the HOA.

[Typical Lax Dad]

If we lived in PeteBrown's free market today...right now? I"d put down my computer, find out where you live, buy the property to the left and the right of you and open a paper mill to the right of you (boy, do they smell bad when there aren't any regulations) and a opium den to the left of you.

And laugh and laugh as you try and figure out what to do, as you finally understand that these government regulations that you think are bad, are currently protecting the value of your home through zoning, and rules surrounding operating a business.

Your posts are bewildering and long, and no one has all day to reply to all that, but on the above snippet, please note a world's difference between zoning regulations approved by voters and known to the buyer prior to purchase (buyer beware), versus industry regulations unaccountable enacted solely by bureaucrats (buyer unaware).

I am a strong proponent of both density as well as architectural regulations wherever I live. These are voted on by residents. Any buyer coming in knows the score prior to buying. That is what I call fair. Unfair are unelected bureaucrats deciding what they want and forcing you to comply.

I assume you will now claim I am some secret-socialist, such is life in the digital age.

I'm just heartened you haven't tied this back to Donald Trump somehow. I qualify that as a start toward progress.

Curious to know where you "live". I am in the real estate world in MD/DC/VA, and in all three (3) voters do not approve for zoning regulation or architectural design guidelines for real estate.

Principal residence is Windsor Fl.

If I am correct, you reside in Indian River County, FL which has a Planning and Zoning Commission. Your property zoning is established by a countywide Comprehensive Plan, which is then guides a countywide Zoning Ordinance. The Ordinance is administered by a county staff, within the County Planning Division, not individual voters. Your Planning and Zoning Commission oversees case specific applications for any proposed real estate development or changes to the Comp Plan and/or the Ord. This Commission is comprised of members appointed by the elected County Commissioners and they serve a term limited appointment of four (4) years.

Your specific community was designed, developed, reviewed and approved by staff and then reviewed and approved by the P&Z Commission in public hearings. As part of its approval there were probably community specific Design Guidelines and Covenants; which are then controlled by a community HOA.

Your comments seem to indicate that you are speaking of the intra community level of control; not Zoning level control. It was the Zoning level that approved and established the HOA; to then run independently.

I suspect you are correct. All I know is I can’t even plant a bush without approval from the board here. Which is fine by me and everyone. We knew it coming in.

Does the HOA collect monthly dues and have the ability to sue you for non-compliance with the HOA rules and you have agreed to pay the cost of litigation including their attorney fees. Without both of these clauses in the HOA agreement / covenants it is pretty hard for them to enforce any of their covenants.

I have the same type of covenants, but without those two clauses / articles. That second article / clause is the really problematic one for most home owners.

I think we are perhaps a tad more genteel than having threats of lawsuits from the HOA. Everyone knows the rules coming in and abides by them. I’ll also say you can’t really buy here unless approved first, so there’s that.

She was approved to:

https://forums.ilindoor.com/threads/jud ... ld.279018/

[Kismet]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/kudlow- ... y-law.html

The Trump administration is “looking at” making reforms to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

Apparently IMPOTUS thinks our American companies need more help to bribe officials overseas.

This fish rots from the head.

[jhu72]

I thought he had addressed that issue with one of his EOs in the first couple weeks in office.

No sympathy for the clowns complaining about this foreign bribery issue. In my industry it was always the worst salesmen that complained about their competitive disadvantage with this issue, rather than making sales based on feature / benefit arguments for their products. The good hardworking salesmen never seemed to be bothered. The solution to the problem is raising everyone else's standards rather than lowering ours. You can deny access to our markets to any foreign company that practices customer bribery.

Not even a little surprised that Trump and his crowd don't see the needed solution. Always the sleazy solution with this guy. He reminds me of some of the worst salesmen I ever had the misfortune to meet.