I don't really disagree with this view at all. Sometimes it is just better for all parties to move on. There becomes a level of complenancy on all parties. Same thing happened to Andy Reid and the Eagles. It worked out for the Eagles. I doubt any Eagles fan, event he Reid supporters, would even argue that it didn't. It certainly could mean you have your version of Chip Kelly but that just gets you a Doug Pederson. Andy Reid has moved on and become very successful with the Chiefs (and should have played in the SB last year).LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am I have no association with Hop or the program. I am just a fan of the sport and admirer of the program.
A few thoughts:
1. If Hopkins moves on from Coach Petro, he will have another job before he makes it to his car in the parking lot. I liken his free agency to that of John Harbaugh's if the Ravens had moved on from him. Their resumes are incredibly impressive and programs around the country would line up to hire them.
This is the fallacy of the fear of change. Maybe it turns bad but doing nothing is not working. 1 FF in 11 years isn't getting it done (Well, Penn guys think it would be okay, but, this is Hopkins). Also, there is no more early recruiting and UVA seemed to have figured it out in 3 years and this was with early recruiting.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am 2. If ya let him go, who ya gonna hire? Presumably you are hiring someone that can take the program back to a perennial Final Four/National Championship contender. Who can do that for you? And how much time does that person receive to do the job? (Remember-they commit kids so early you need 6 years to get a roster full of your own players.)
For the exact reason, you started this paragraph. Tucker is in a completely different position than Petro. The women's program doesn't have a history of national titles. This doesn't lend itself to get the players that dreamed of playing at Homewood and the 44 titles. There wouldn't be top end coaches thinking about taking the job if it was open. She is under much less scrutiny - there isn't even a Hopkins specific thread over on the Women's pages and, well, we are 173 pages and counting for 2019.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am 3. It is an apples to oranges comparison, but how does Janine still have a job if you are firing Petro? She has accomplished essentially nothing as the head coach there in terms of NCAA Tournament play. Do you do a "Penn State" circa 2010 and fire both men's and women's lacrosse coaches at the same time and revamp your lacrosse programs? It has certainly paid off for them (Tambroni and Doherty).
Further, the women's program was only really building at the D3 level when it moved to D1. Her goal is to move the program forward and compete in DI and make the tournament. She has also had the issues of moving from D3 to D1 from ECAC to ALC to B1G, so the quality of her opponents have increased over the years.
I won't argue with the view her accomplishments are less than Petros. I also won't argue that if Petro's fired that it shine's light on her situation. But, I also think she is working with a totally different set of parameters. That isn't to say if she was fired I'd be upset but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
It is a comparison to other top lacrosse schools. Every school has numerous pros and cons associated with it what binds those teams together is regularly competing for national titles or has historically competed for national titles. You can list them out: UMd, UNC, UVA, SU, Duke, Denver and I would qualify the last team as simply as IVY.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am 4. How are you determining that the Hopkins program is underachieving? Are you comparing it to other schools? If so, what schools are you using as the benchmark---what schools in D1 lacrosse have the similar academic profile, exist in a hotbed, etc.? And, once you can say what schools are equivalent, how have their programs faired over the past 9-10 years (the time period you have been unhappy with Petro).
I mean by saying Ivy is that the conference seams to have runs of different dominate teams so IVY would be an amalgamation of Princeton, Cornell, Brown and Yale.
As I said, if Hopkins had a similar run to Denver's last 10 years, there wouldn't be the issue there is right now.
The 2 championships and 4 title games were over a decade ago. 6 of his 7 final four appearance ago were over a decade ago. His record from 2001 to 2008 was 96 and 25 (.793 win percentage). From 2009 to 2019 he is 109 and 64 (.630 win percentage). The 2019 senior class has an overall win percentage of .571. I don't even have to go into the record books to know that is the worst record ever over a 4 year period at Hopkins.LaxPundit07 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:07 am 5. Lastly, are you truly prepared to move on from a man that: is an alum, deeply cares about his players, has won two national championships, coached in four national championship games, and coached in seven final fours, and has an overall record of 205-89?
So, yes. It is time to move on.