Progressive Ideology

[RedFromMI]

Interestingly, I am beginning to think that the only way the dems win is if Tulsi goes independent. I think she would actually draw support away from TRUMP not the dem candidate.

Underrrated comment. I agree. And I like Tulsi.

Nope, that would ensure a Trump win...

Absolutely would help Trump more than it would hurt him. Trump and his cohort have been praying for a viable third party option this go round - it was one of the pillars of his victory in 2016 (along with the suppression of AA vote in MI, PA, WI and the Comey letter about the emails dropped just before the election).

[foreverlax]

Katie Hill's downfall highlights stark generational divide among Democrats

Respect the hell out of Gaetz for stepping up here....

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), one of the few lawmakers publicly declaring support for the embattled freshman, said it stems from the “baby boomer era of judgment” looming over Capitol Hill.

“Frankly, I think it’s a generational issue,” Gaetz said in an interview. “A lot of these baby boomers I serve with don’t understand that millennials, by virtue of having smartphones, have shared stupid moments and regrettable moments for a substantial portion of their lives.”


“We cannot adopt an ethic that some bad thing or embarrassing thing that you’ve done, released through the inflamed passions of an ex, somehow impairs your public service or fitness as a candidate,” said Gaetz, a conservative bomb-thrower who rarely aligns with Democrats.A stark generational divide among Democrats has emerged over what, if any, responsibility Hill should assume for the firestorm that led to her resignation this week, as well as whether the same standards would be applied to a male lawmaker. Some Democrats are also worried about the potential chilling effect on efforts to recruit younger candidates, particularly millennial

She admits her relationship with the staffer was inappropriate....which it is, but that's doesn't warrant retirement.

All parties should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Caught her final speech today. I can see why she was elected and wouldn't be surprised if she got elected to office again - everyone loves a resurrection.

[DMac]

Wholeheartedly agree, she'd get my vote. She's right on the money and told it like it is.
Meanwhile, she's out and the scum remains doing business as usual. Same old story.

[ABV 8.3%]

Interestingly, I am beginning to think that the only way the dems win is if Tulsi goes independent. I think she would actually draw support away from TRUMP not the dem candidate.

Underrrated comment. I agree. And I like Tulsi.

Nope, that would ensure a Trump win...

Absolutely would help Trump more than it would hurt him. Trump and his cohort have been praying for a viable third party option this go round - it was one of the pillars of his victory in 2016 (along with the suppression of AA vote in MI, PA, WI and the Comey letter about the emails dropped just before the election).

Optional Presidential candidates grabbed, combined, what, 2% to 21 % of the vote. (Why does everyone forget about Johnson )

What evidence, actions taken, do you have that AA registered voters were suppressed in those 3 states ?

If you are worried about losing votes to another candidate, from another party, maybe you shouldn't give us the garbage we always get.

A fake Democrat (sanders) A fake Cherokee . a fake person (biden )

Donate money to Tulsi today. But, do it with a burner card. The horrible actblue will take your money automatically if you are not careful.

(side note: Isn't against the law to open a business that discriminates ? ActBlue will NOT provide fundraising services to groups the disagree with. Illegal? )

[Peter Brown]

Katie Hill's downfall highlights stark generational divide among Democrats

Respect the hell out of Gaetz for stepping up here....

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), one of the few lawmakers publicly declaring support for the embattled freshman, said it stems from the “baby boomer era of judgment” looming over Capitol Hill.

“Frankly, I think it’s a generational issue,” Gaetz said in an interview. “A lot of these baby boomers I serve with don’t understand that millennials, by virtue of having smartphones, have shared stupid moments and regrettable moments for a substantial portion of their lives.”


“We cannot adopt an ethic that some bad thing or embarrassing thing that you’ve done, released through the inflamed passions of an ex, somehow impairs your public service or fitness as a candidate,” said Gaetz, a conservative bomb-thrower who rarely aligns with Democrats.A stark generational divide among Democrats has emerged over what, if any, responsibility Hill should assume for the firestorm that led to her resignation this week, as well as whether the same standards would be applied to a male lawmaker. Some Democrats are also worried about the potential chilling effect on efforts to recruit younger candidates, particularly millennial

She admits her relationship with the staffer was inappropriate....which it is, but that's doesn't warrant retirement.

All parties should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Caught her final speech today. I can see why she was elected and wouldn't be surprised if she got elected to office again - everyone loves a resurrection.

Look, I don't care that she did what she did; I don't even care that she has an Iron Cross tattoo.

But you are wildly missing the central issue here, and this issue is why she had no choice but to resign. She was in a sexual relationship as a federal employer with at least two federal employees who depended on her good graces to receive their paychecks. She resigned because of the unethical (possibly illegal) power dynamics implicit in that arrangement, not because we saw her naked or saw her tat or that she is bisexual or smokes a bong.

Now, we can laugh and say that Katie is a woman and who wouldn't want to be doing the wild thing with her, but let's be clear: if this was a man or god forbid if this was a white republican congressman, can you imagine the sturm and drang if he was sleeping with 2 female staffers!!! Holy effing hades, the storm would go on for months and most on here would be telling others how incredibly unethical not to mention illegal holding that kind of power is over 'helpless female staffers'...

I should add, though it is not part of the story here, that it is beyond clear that she, like Elijah Cummings and so many others in government, abused non-profit laws to pad her own income/wealth when she put on payroll her apparently worthless husband for a no-show job at the non-profit homeless agency she formerly ran.

[foreverlax]

She was in a sexual relationship as a federal employer with at least two federal employees who depended on her good graces to receive their paychecks.

Your facts are not confirmed...she admits to having a relationship with a campaign staffer. She denies having a relationship with anyone on her House staff and there is no public evidence that she did.

[DMac]

No, she had no choice but to resign because of revenge porn, plain and simple. She has a poor little ol' revengeful ex husband who plays dirty and has the goods to do it. It all makes for great titillating press and she knows those unscrupulous dogs are just salivating for more pictures to plaster in their rags. She could deal with the affairs with staff members (if that's in fact the case), apologize and possibly get beyond it, but she can't get beyond the smut peddlers. This gal's speech hit the nail on the head, I'm pulling for her, hope she comes back with a vengeance.....am sure there are many a man not thinking quite the same.

[Peter Brown]

No, she had no choice but to resign because of revenge porn, plain and simple. She has a poor little ol' revengeful ex husband who plays dirty and has the goods to do it. It all makes for great titillating press and she knows those unscrupulous dogs are just salivating for more pictures to plaster in their rags. She could deal with the affairs with staff members (if that's in fact the case), apologize and possibly get beyond it, but she can't get beyond the smut peddlers. This gal's speech hit the nail on the head, I'm pulling for her, hope she comes back with a vengeance.....am sure there are many a man not thinking quite the same.

It is the case. To spell it out, if your boss is having sex with you, something is wrong. The power imbalance undermines the notion of consent, regardless of the gender or sexuality of the more powerful person. Revenge porn has zero to do with why she felt she needed to resign.

[foreverlax]

No, she had no choice but to resign because of revenge porn, plain and simple. She has a poor little ol' revengeful ex husband who plays dirty and has the goods to do it. It all makes for great titillating press and she knows those unscrupulous dogs are just salivating for more pictures to plaster in their rags. She could deal with the affairs with staff members (if that's in fact the case), apologize and possibly get beyond it, but she can't get beyond the smut peddlers. This gal's speech hit the nail on the head, I'm pulling for her, hope she comes back with a vengeance.....am sure there are many a man not thinking quite the same.

It is the case. To spell it out, if your boss is having sex with you, something is wrong. The power imbalance undermines the notion of consent, regardless of the gender or sexuality of the more powerful person. Revenge porn has zero to do with why she felt she needed to resign.

You are saying she had a sexual relationship with a government employee...she said she didn't. There is no public proof she did...no matter how many times you say it.

Why she actually resigned is also something you can't claim to know, not matter how hard you try and sell us you do.

[DMac]

When I hear her say that, PB, I'll buy it. Have you spoken with her and are passing along to us what she told you (rhetorical question)? Our opinions differ but if I were a gambler I'd bet that mine is a whole lot more right than yours...bet on that.

[RedFromMI]

Interestingly, I am beginning to think that the only way the dems win is if Tulsi goes independent. I think she would actually draw support away from TRUMP not the dem candidate.

Underrrated comment. I agree. And I like Tulsi.

Nope, that would ensure a Trump win...

Absolutely would help Trump more than it would hurt him. Trump and his cohort have been praying for a viable third party option this go round - it was one of the pillars of his victory in 2016 (along with the suppression of AA vote in MI, PA, WI and the Comey letter about the emails dropped just before the election).

Optional Presidential candidates grabbed, combined, what, 2% to 21 % of the vote. (Why does everyone forget about Johnson ) Much more than the difference in MI. Similar in WI, PA.

What evidence, actions taken, do you have that AA registered voters were suppressed in those 3 states ? Actual turnout vs. 2012, Russian bot action aimed at AA voters in those states on FB/Twitter - there is enough to be fairly confident.

If you are worried about losing votes to another candidate, from another party, maybe you shouldn't give us the garbage we always get.

A fake Democrat (sanders) A fake Cherokee . a fake person (biden )

Donate money to Tulsi today. But, do it with a burner card. The horrible actblue will take your money automatically if you are not careful.

(side note: Isn't against the law to open a business that discriminates ? ActBlue will NOT provide fundraising services to groups the disagree with. Illegal? )

It is _not_ against the law. Just like I would not expect that anyone donating to a group that espouses support for Rs would provide fundraising services to a D.

[jhu72]

No, she had no choice but to resign because of revenge porn, plain and simple. She has a poor little ol' revengeful ex husband who plays dirty and has the goods to do it. It all makes for great titillating press and she knows those unscrupulous dogs are just salivating for more pictures to plaster in their rags. She could deal with the affairs with staff members (if that's in fact the case), apologize and possibly get beyond it, but she can't get beyond the smut peddlers. This gal's speech hit the nail on the head, I'm pulling for her, hope she comes back with a vengeance.....am sure there are many a man not thinking quite the same.

It is the case. To spell it out, if your boss is having sex with you, something is wrong. The power imbalance undermines the notion of consent, regardless of the gender or sexuality of the more powerful person. Revenge porn has zero to do with why she felt she needed to resign.

You are saying she had a sexual relationship with a government employee...she said she didn't. There is no public proof she did...no matter how many times you say it.

Why she actually resigned is also something you can't claim to know, not matter how hard you try and sell us you do.

Correct.

She never said "she felt" she needed to resign because of revenge porn. She said she resigned because she didn't want to be a distraction, it would only get worse. She described the revenge porn as part of how the situation arose, not as the cause for her decision to resign. Of course the pictures becoming part of the record were the proximate cause. Hair splitting.

It is interesting that we have heard nothing from the assistant who she admits to a relationship with. My suspicion is there is a deeper relationship there and part of Hill's resigning is to protect this young women. I think Hill has handled this situation admirably.

Same old same old. The republican church ladies moralize and wring their hands, tut tut, while supporting a POS that has done much much worse.

[Peter Brown]

She never said "she felt" she needed to resign because of revenge porn. She said she resigned because she didn't want to be a distraction, it would only get worse.

You have a very benevolent and not-unexpected view of the young Democrat's (lack of) ego, and a further not-unexpected waving of the hand at grossly unethical power dynamics in sexual relationships, provided the offender is a Democrat. If you think Katie resigned from her life's goal of being a congresswoman because 'she didn't want to be a distraction', you must be her mom. Most congresspeople who resign resign only when and because the s is about to hit the fan; they actually love being 'distractions', anything for cameras.

But, I suspect you are smarter than this and are merely playing your expected partisan part. A hunch says had this been Jim Jordan with two female staffers, you'd be in a frenzied mob rush to execute him.

If you can't see or won't admit what happened, and then understand why she had no choice but to resign, you're obviously free to keep the proverbial head in the sand.

Meanwhile, on Planet Gravity...

[jhu72]

She never said "she felt" she needed to resign because of revenge porn. She said she resigned because she didn't want to be a distraction, it would only get worse.

You have a very benevolent and not-unexpected view of the young Democrat's (lack of) ego, and a further not-unexpected waving of the hand at grossly unethical power dynamics in sexual relationships, provided the offender is a Democrat. If you think Katie resigned from her life's goal of being a congresswoman because 'she didn't want to be a distraction', you must be her mom. Most congresspeople who resign resign only when and because the s is about to hit the fan; they actually love being 'distractions', anything for cameras.

But, I suspect you are smarter than this and are merely playing your expected partisan part. A hunch says had this been Jim Jordan with two female staffers, you'd be in a frenzied mob rush to execute him.

If you can't see or won't admit what happened, and then understand why she had no choice but to resign, you're obviously free to keep the proverbial head in the sand.

Meanwhile, on Planet Gravity...

Troll on McDuff.

[foreverlax]

She never said "she felt" she needed to resign because of revenge porn. She said she resigned because she didn't want to be a distraction, it would only get worse.

You have a very benevolent and not-unexpected view of the young Democrat's (lack of) ego, and a further not-unexpected waving of the hand at grossly unethical power dynamics in sexual relationships, provided the offender is a Democrat. If you think Katie resigned from her life's goal of being a congresswoman because 'she didn't want to be a distraction', you must be her mom. Most congresspeople who resign resign only when and because the s is about to hit the fan; they actually love being 'distractions', anything for cameras.

But, I suspect you are smarter than this and are merely playing your expected partisan part. A hunch says had this been Jim Jordan with two female staffers, you'd be in a frenzied mob rush to execute him.

If you can't see or won't admit what happened, and then understand why she had no choice but to resign, you're obviously free to keep the proverbial head in the sand.

Meanwhile, on Planet Gravity...

"you're obviously free to keep the proverbial head in the sand." Facts matter...

[a fan]

You have a very benevolent and not-unexpected view of the young Democrat's (lack of) ego, and a further not-unexpected waving of the hand at grossly unethical power dynamics in sexual relationships, provided the offender is a Democrat. If you think Katie resigned from her life's goal of being a congresswoman because 'she didn't want to be a distraction', you must be her mom. Most congresspeople who resign resign only when and because the s is about to hit the fan; they actually love being 'distractions', anything for cameras.

But, I suspect you are smarter than this and are merely playing your expected partisan part. A hunch says had this been Jim Jordan with two female staffers, you'd be in a frenzied mob rush to execute him.

Oh, no. You got it all wrong. What jhu72 is doing is applying your "Trump standards" to this lady.

You see, none of us believe what the Congresswoman says. Not even her admitted affair. After all, gee whiz, it's like totally impossible to tell what really happened, you know? You just can't believe what the Congresswoman admitted on live TV, right?

So we're going to not believe the affair happened in the first place.

So we're all set, right?

[kramerica.inc]

JHU and others are twisting in the wind to defend Hill, like so many around here defend Trump

Let's talk facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rn/601198/

By her own account, Hill engaged in a profound breach of responsibility by engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who was working for her—and by doing so while running for public office. “The mistakes I made that brought me to this moment will haunt me for the rest of my life,” she said this afternoon in her final speech on the House floor. Members of Congress are no stranger to bad behavior. But in a time when Americans are remapping the difficult landscape of sex and power in the workplace, it would be willfully naive to shove aside the uncomfortable dynamics of Hill’s relationship with a staffer who was almost a decade her junior, and a recent college graduate.

[Typical Lax Dad]

JHU and others are twisting in the wind to defend Hill, like so many around here defend Trump

Let's talk facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rn/601198/

By her own account, Hill engaged in a profound breach of responsibility by engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who was working for her—and by doing so while running for public office. “The mistakes I made that brought me to this moment will haunt me for the rest of my life,” she said this afternoon in her final speech on the House floor. Members of Congress are no stranger to bad behavior. But in a time when Americans are remapping the difficult landscape of sex and power in the workplace, it would be willfully naive to shove aside the uncomfortable dynamics of Hill’s relationship with a staffer who was almost a decade her junior, and a recent college graduate.

Did she or did she not step down?

[jhu72]

JHU and others are twisting in the wind to defend Hill, like so many around here defend Trump

Let's talk facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rn/601198/

By her own account, Hill engaged in a profound breach of responsibility by engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who was working for her—and by doing so while running for public office. “The mistakes I made that brought me to this moment will haunt me for the rest of my life,” she said this afternoon in her final speech on the House floor. Members of Congress are no stranger to bad behavior. But in a time when Americans are remapping the difficult landscape of sex and power in the workplace, it would be willfully naive to shove aside the uncomfortable dynamics of Hill’s relationship with a staffer who was almost a decade her junior, and a recent college graduate.

Did she or did she not step down?

Did she of did she not admit the transgression?

Compare and contrast her behavior to the Trumpnista God.

[foreverlax]

JHU and others are twisting in the wind to defend Hill, like so many around here defend Trump

Let's talk facts.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... rn/601198/

By her own account, Hill engaged in a profound breach of responsibility by engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who was working for her—and by doing so while running for public office. “The mistakes I made that brought me to this moment will haunt me for the rest of my life,” she said this afternoon in her final speech on the House floor. Members of Congress are no stranger to bad behavior. But in a time when Americans are remapping the difficult landscape of sex and power in the workplace, it would be willfully naive to shove aside the uncomfortable dynamics of Hill’s relationship with a staffer who was almost a decade her junior, and a recent college graduate.

Maybe it would have been better if she had just paid off a porn star.