cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:32 pmSo what makes you so "darn sure" that Iranians had nothing to do with this? I'm just as darn sure the Iranians help plan this, finance and encourage this operation. Simply to humor you, so what nation financed and supported an operation as sophisticated and complex as this? Your "sure" it couldn't have been Iran? We have a bona fide mystery here.... how did all of those rockets find their way into Gaza? We are sure it wasn't Iran and that Iran would never condone such behavior.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:41 amPerhaps you didn't understand that what folks objected to was not that there was a rapprochement possible between some Arab states and Israel, but rather that it was claimed to have been some sort of end to conflict in the ME...despite ignoring the Palestinian question. Huge self-congratulation as if "peace" had actually been achieved...old salt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:54 amNow that's some deep strategic nonpartisan analysis from ggaslamp, especially while thousands of people (including Americans) are still at risk.ggait wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:35 pm We were told by the Salted Caramel that the Abraham Accords would solve all of this.
I’m shocked that Jared did not succeed where so many other have failed.
I don’t know what the solution to this intractable problem is. But the solution definitely is not Netanyahu. That dude needed to gone years ago.
Has it occurred to you that Iran may be fomenting this to scuttle the Abraham Accords ?
Blame Kushner & Netanyahu. Genius. We should never have tried to improve things between Israel & the Arabs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/p ... biden.html
Blinken’s Visit to Saudi Arabia Caps U.S. Effort to Rebuild Ties
Fair people applauded the rapprochement, but not the green light that was given to Netanyahu to build more settlements and to abandon any efforts to address Palestinian self-determination and progress. The concern was that the "Accords" were a sort of "sports washing" over the realities festering, indeed being inflamed by the Netanyahu policies. (Personally, I think they were more than that, but the green light for settlements was a huge strategic mistake).
Likewise, rapprochement with the Saudis is obviously insufficient if the Palestinian situation is ignored.
Admirable and strategic, sure...but insufficient.
As to Iran, as noted elsewhere, there's pretty darn good reason to think they were NOT the organizers of this attack by Hamas, though it's possible. Just doesn't make sense that their primary funded group in that region, Hezbollah, does not seem to have been 'in on it'.
But sure, they're rooting for Hamas to create pain on Israel. As is Russia, for its purposes. Neither want to see the US brokered agreement between SA and Israel become reality. Both want the ME to be in chaos, Russia particularly wants the focus away from its slaughter of Ukrainians.
I doubt China has any current role in this, but we should be thinking about what it means for Taiwan and Southeast Asia in general if Russia succeeds in Ukraine because the West loses their resolve and is distracted elsewhere.
Milley was pretty darn clear on 60 Minutes on this topic.
Read my other posts today in this thread on this topic, cradle. I already addressed why it's not terribly likely that Iran was directly involved, green lit etc...but yes, possible.
Iran is Shia and are deeply in bed therefore with Hezbollah, but not with Hamas which is Sunni. And Hezbollah does not appear to have been privy to this massive attack, wasn't prepared to take part, etc. That doesn't mean they don't have any relationship, but it's an uneasy, enemy of my enemy sort of relationship.
Of course, it's possible. So, I'm not "sure" of anything re who funded and helped organize and green lit this attack. And I never claimed to be "sure".
However, makes more sense that Qatar and Egypt were the primary sources of weapons for Hamas, though some may well be Iranian made. They DO fund Hamas.
And there's a decent chance that Russia has had a hand in all this too. They don't care about Shia v Sunni, their objectives are different.