Thank God for this thread. The scales have fallen from my eyes. I've never heard, or been exposed, to any of this information before.PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:35 pmFor an interesting, fact-based perspective on the reality of slavery in the South, go visit any of several former rice plantations in the Low Country of coastal SC and imagine working in those conditions—for free…MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:13 pmcome on, Salty, the scholars chosen were specifically chosen for their right wing views on race. They know better, but have chosen academic career paths based on being an alternative view to those who believe systemic racism and the legacy effects of racism continue today.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:36 amThe Lost Cause ideology was that slaves were not capable of such things, which that instruction refutes.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:15 amThat's not accurate, though I won't call it a lie as you may have simply missed the acknowledgment that the curriculum contains lots of material that I'd consider to be appropriate. Indeed, the great majority...almost all. Others have similarly acknowledged.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:02 amYou're both trolling me. The more offensive analogies that you both make, the more you demonstrate it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:45 amwell...I think you're trolling him there, as I'd like to think that Salty simply hasn't recognized the implications of what these folks are communicating, and he's defending, but I get it that piercing the apologia bubble is important sometimes.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:22 amNothing will develop “work ethic” like a whip. Some have it naturally, others need to be whipped into shape, according to Old Salt.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:18 am Don't forget rapists...that's always been a theme...they're coming for your women...
Let me just say that the invitation is open to anyone on here to realize that it's quite simple to say 'oops, I didn't understand that, didn't see that perspective, sorry, let's change the wording to better reflect our best intentions".
But now that it's more clear (hopefully), the refusal by some to take that simple path speaks volumes about actual intentions.
And that's the issue for public figures like DeSantis and Gutfeld. They double and triple down.
The more baseless negative stereotypes you pull out of your asses, the more you soil the discussion.
You are both willfully misconstruing a flyspeck in a lengthy well meaning document.
You offer no opinion on the rest of the lengthy document.
However, I also noted what the curriculum removed from earlier efforts, intentionally removing invitations to read and discuss views of systemic, structural continuations of racism, both legal and government endorsed and de facto...systemic racism. that were at the root of justifications of slavery and persist today.
And, what is at issue with this particular language is not solely that it's offensive, it's that it's defended as if nothing at all to be offended about...first there should have been someone involved in the creation of this curriculum with sufficient awareness that this language wouldn't have appeared, instead would have been modified (as we've made clear would be easy, if the intent was positive), second that no one on the committee understood that this claim of "skills" benefiting former slaves is part of Lost Cause ideology...and third, that once this was brought to the fore, that the reaction is to double down rather than simply say, "oops, that's not what was meant, let's change it"...
That's the problem, the "where woke goes to die" narrative and the selection of people to devise a curriculum that "doesn't make white children feel guilty" results in Lost Cause apologist ideology getting into the curriculum and then defended blindly.
Salty, I continue to keep the door open to you...but it's hard...
It is only offensive to those looking for a reason to be offended. The rest of your response is incomprehensible.
You refuse to acknowledge the credentials & good intentions of the academics who produced the curriculum.
No, the Lost Cause ideology wasn't that no slaves had possible "skills", the ideology was that some did, whereas others needed to be whipped; submission was the point... "house slaves" for instance were "loved and cared for" by their owners, not degraded, exploited. Submission, no "uppity" Negroes allowed. The ideology minimizes the degradation, the abuse, the horror of slavery and sanitizes it in a gauzy white wash of "hey' they learned to be blacksmiths' and "benefited from" their time in slavery. Gone with the Wind...Birth of a Nation was more explicitly negative about slaves...they deserved their suppression, they deserved to be lynched like the animals they are...
That you don't know this, or deny this, is because you have bought into the white wash version of that ideology whether unconsciously or not (it was undoubtedly prevalent in your own educational curriculum)...but please do know that it was very concerted effort during Jim Crow to white wash the actions of slave owners and to minimize the horrors committed. Celebrate the "heroes" of the Confederacy with monuments that said to the black residents, "we are in power, shut up and go back to the field or the kitchen".
This both-siderism currently employed is a fcuking joke and those who traffic in it are probably due our pity for the horrible wrong done to them in their upbringing that renders them unable to recognize or correct the errors in their conception of reality.
Prof MDLF76 will be assigning virtue signal grades to each of your posts.