Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:30 am
So, a small fraction of Orthodox Jews are not pro-zionism, the rest are...so, what, all those other Orthodox Jews are misreading their sacred texts? They just don't understand that zionism is forbidden? They are ignoring God's clear commands? Only the small percentage of Orthodox Jews are correct?
Have you not ever read midrash discussions of sacred text? The most learned and scholarly Rabbis have for many, many generations argued about the meanings of specific words, phrases, texts, connecting various texts with each other in
different ways, arguing context, arguing what is not written is as important as what is on the page...the debate between literal and poetic...
Frankly, IMO, it's one of the most admirable aspects of Jewish learning and thought, the importance of constant questioning. It's a
search for "truth" and a search for how we should live in this world consistent with God's wishes. The search itself is valued, not simply the 'answer'.
BTW, who is to say that God's hand is not on the zionist movement? Who is to say what the limits are on God's fulfillment of promises? Who is to say that the mind of God cannot change? You? Me? a few Orthodox Jews?
BTW, I think it's equally offensive for some zionists to claim exclusive comprehension of God's will...or all sorts of such exclusive claims in my religious tradition, Christianity...or any religion...IMO, it's highly arrogant and often quite dangerous...
Deuteronomy 4:2 Moses declares, “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commands of the Lord your God which I command you.” The only way to rightly “keep” God's commands is to not add or subtract from his word.
Hundreds of thousands of Jews believe it and that's why they oppose zionist ideology. Of course, many thousands more despise it from their political standpoint.
BTW, still waiting for anyone to prove to me that the Bible's teaching on this is incorrect.
yup, a very small percentage of Jews, even smaller the group you describe, holding quite fundamentalist, exclusive views of these texts. Many millions of Jews disagree about the reading of the text. I guess they're all wrong according to you? That's a heck of a lot of generations of rabbis and scholars...and you're right, they're wrong?
I'm not Jewish, but that's in my Bible as well and I don't remotely come to that conclusion any more than I come to the conclusion that you must be a Christian to get to heaven based on Jesus' teachings according to certain later writers...doesn't stop some of my brethren quoting scripture as if "proof" of their claims...
BTW, can you
prove that that reading is the "only way" to properly understand it?...have you literally spoken to God, because otherwise, I'm pretty sure there is no absolute proof of any interpretation.