Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:07 amTorah demands Jews to not be zionist
read the Bible and you'll see that it is true:
Old Testament:
https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/ISA.43.4-6 (I'll round up your scattered)
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/ISA.11.11-12.KJV (shall assemble the outcasts)
https://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/30-3.html (I will bring them back)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV (I will reestablish Kingdom)
New Testament:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV (you will not know the day)
Orthodox have used these instructions to condemn Zionism because it is very clear that only the Messiah can reestablish the Kingdom. Had you read the Bible you would readily know these verses. Now let's turn this around: go ahead and "prove" that the Orthodox practitioners are "wrong", show me where these verses do not exist, and show me where anyone is allowed to countermand these instructions on their own without divine authorization.
I'll wait for your "proofs".
So, a small fraction of Orthodox Jews are not pro-zionism, the rest are...so, what, all those other Orthodox Jews are misreading their sacred texts? They just don't understand that zionism is forbidden? They are ignoring God's clear commands? Only the small percentage of Orthodox Jews are correct?
Have you not ever read midrash discussions of sacred text? The most learned and scholarly Rabbis have for many, many generations argued about the meanings of specific words, phrases, texts, connecting various texts with each other in different ways, arguing context, arguing what is not written is as important as what is on the page...the debate between literal and poetic...
Frankly, IMO, it's one of the most admirable aspects of Jewish learning and thought, the importance of constant questioning. It's a search for "truth" and a search for how we should live in this world consistent with God's wishes. The search itself is valued, not simply the 'answer'.
BTW, who is to say that God's hand is not on the zionist movement? Who is to say what the limits are on God's fulfillment of promises? Who is to say that the mind of God cannot change? You? Me? a few Orthodox Jews?
BTW, I think it's equally offensive for some zionists to claim exclusive comprehension of God's will...or all sorts of such exclusive claims in my religious tradition, Christianity...or any religion...IMO, it's highly arrogant and often quite dangerous...