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a fan wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 5:01 pm
old salt wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 4:37 pm You're mixing Steele with Sussman.
Both worked for HRC/DNC via Perkins,Coie & Fusion GPS.
Steele first briefed the FBI on July 5. Crossfire Hurricane then began on July 31.
Apparently Durham's investigators care about Sussman's Sept 19 mtg.
They were all part of the same HRC/DNC disinformation campaign.
That's the whole point. What you are claiming doesn't make logical sense, and you know it.

-You claim this is all Hillary. 1st of all, if this is true, you're done, because that's totally legal....so who cares? She's gone, and her campaign trick didn't work.

-but if it is all from Hillary, and the FBI is "in on it", there would be no need to meet with anyone, anywhere, now would there? The FBI can start an investigation into anything they d*mn well please. They don't need a reason, OS.


Crossfire Hurricane started in July. Why would the FBI meet with Sussman in Sept if they're all "in on it"? There would be no need. The FBI was already "doing their worst" according to you...so what's the point of a meeting? There isn't one.

Unless, of course, the FBI isn't in on it....and this is all tinfoil hat nonsense.

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You believed in a Deep State from the day you heard the term from Greenwald. And as you very well know, Greenwald has turned out to be a big nutjob with all sorts of axes that need grinding.

Nothing will dissuade you. Every piece of "evidence" fits your puzzle.

I was foolish for thinking that you'd respond to reason surrounding this craziness as the years passed by, and no evidence of conspiracy was there.
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a fan wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 5:01 pm
old salt wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 4:37 pm You're mixing Steele with Sussman.
Both worked for HRC/DNC via Perkins,Coie & Fusion GPS.
Steele first briefed the FBI on July 5. Crossfire Hurricane then began on July 31.
Apparently Durham's investigators care about Sussman's Sept 19 mtg.
They were all part of the same HRC/DNC disinformation campaign.
That's the whole point. What you are claiming doesn't make logical sense, and you know it.

-You claim this is all Hillary. 1st of all, if this is true, you're done, because that's totally legal....so who cares? She's gone, and her campaign trick didn't work.I didn't claim it was ALL Hillary, anymore than Watergate was ALL Nixon. Her campaign contracted for it & paid for it.

-but if it is all from Hillary, and the FBI is "in on it", there would be no need to meet with anyone, anywhere, now would there? The FBI can start an investigation into anything they d*mn well please. They don't need a reason, OS.
Not all of the FBI was "in on it", but key leaders Strzok, Page, McCabe (& his insurance policy) & Comey were.

Crossfire Hurricane started in July. Why would the FBI meet with Sussman in Sept if they're all "in on it"? There would be no need. The FBI was already "doing their worst" according to you...so what's the point of a meeting? There isn't one.
Sussman told Baker he had something important to tell him about. Sussman did not specify, in advance, what the information was. They were friends & former colleagues. Baker took Sussman at his word & met with him.

Unless, of course, the FBI isn't in on it....and this is all tinfoil hat nonsense.

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You believed in a Deep State from the day you heard the term from Greenwald. And as you very well know, Greenwald has turned out to be a big nutjob with all sorts of axes that need grinding.
I first heard the term well before Greenwald -- re. Turkey in the '90's. I applied it to this from the time I heard Dr Farkas rally the Resistance & then the intercept of Flynn's call was leaked to Ignatius of the WP. It confirmed a Deep State cabal's attempt to slime Flynn, which started before he even met Trump

Nothing will dissuade you. Every piece of "evidence" fits your puzzle.
I called it out, in real time, as I saw it. Flynn was the appetizer, Trump was the main course.
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I was foolish for thinking that you'd respond to reason surrounding this craziness as the years passed by, and no evidence of conspiracy was there.
Agree, you were foolish not to acknowledge the obvious as it was happening.
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old salt wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 10:08 pm Not all of the FBI was "in on it", but key leaders Strzok, Page, McCabe (& his insurance policy) & Comey were.
Great. So now you have to explain why you'd need the Steele Dossier at all.

You can't. If even just Comey was your Deep State, he could have launched Crossfire Hurricane simply because Trump hired Manafort. You get that, right? It's a reasonable investigation...and guess what? Manafort's now a felon.

So again, your House of Cards falls apart. Steele Dossier is rendered completely irrelevant, and Comey does whatever he pleases as head of the FBI.

No matter where you move the goalposts, it doesn't hang together.

You're stuck. Sorry.

And now with the goalposts in front of Comey? Guess what that means? You don't need Steele, Strozk, Page, or anyone else you can name. Comey is enough.

So this means you changed your mind for the fourth time this week (facepalm). Now Comey is standing at the head of your Deep State river. And the dossier you've been rambling about is 1000% immaterial. So is ol' Hillary. And Flynn is a footnote.

And Comey, too, has broken no laws.

Now what? Move the goalposts again?
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Speaking of moving the goal posts, Manafort was convicted of crimes that had nothing to do with Trump or Crossfire Hurricane.

Keep throwing sh!t up against the wall, hoping something will stick.

Your dissembling & willful obtuseness does not constitute me changing my mind.

You ignore the fact that Comey & the other IC Chiefs considered the Steele dossier worthy of briefing to Pres-elect Trump.

The Steele dossier was woven throughout the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of it's 4 targets.
obtw, what were they convicted of doing ?
https://www.justsecurity.org/67691/the- ... -findings/
As the report recounts, “Crossfire Hurricane”—the FBI’s codename for its probe of potential links between Russia’s election interference operation and the 2016 Trump presidential campaign—originated in the summer of 2016 with a tip from the Australian government (a “friendly foreign government” in the report): Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos had been drunkenly repeating an academic acquaintance’s startling assertion that the Russian government had thousands of potentially damaging e-mails related to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. The intelligence community was already seeing the outlines of an unprecedentedly brazen, multi-pronged effort to meddle in the presidential election benefit: Now here was an indication that the Trump campaign might be not just an unwitting beneficiary of Russian efforts, but a knowing participant. The FBI quickly focused on four individuals in Trump’s orbit with ties to Russia: Page, Papadopoulos, campaign chair Paul Manafort, and national security advisor Michael Flynn.

While FISA surveillance of Page and Papadopoulos was apparently contemplated in August, Justice Department attorneys determined investigators lacked probable cause to establish that either was acting as an “agent of a foreign power,” the critical showing they’d need to make to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. That changed in September, when the FBI got wind of former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s research into Trump’s Russian ties—opposition research indirectly commissioned by the Democratic National Committee, and now notorious under the collective moniker “The Steele Dossier.” Steele’s reporting, gathered from a network of sources and sub-sources, purported that Page was a key figure in a “well developed conspiracy of cooperation” between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government. The FBI would lean heavily on Steele’s reporting in its petition to the FISA Court for a warrant authorizing electronic surveillance of Page.

As the Horowitz report documents, even that first application, submitted in October 2016, contained a series of notable omissions or misstatements, though whether they would have made a difference to the FISA Court’s assessment of the evidence is anyone’s guess. Among the most significant:

It described Steele as a source whose previous reporting had been “corroborated and used in criminal proceedings... Since the Page application leaned heavily on Steele’s reporting, which it could not independently confirm, the precise characterization of his credibility as a source was important to informing the FISC’s assessment of how much weight to afford his claims.

Both Page and Papadopoulos had made statements to FBI informants denying various contacts alleged by Steele’s reports. Page had specifically denied taking part in a meeting with a pair of Russian oligarchs described by Steele, and claimed to have little contact with Manafort, though Steele’s account had Page acting as an intermediary between Manafort and the Russian government.
In an interview with the FBI, Steele had characterized a particular individual—presumably Sergei Millian, though he is not named in the report—as a “boaster” given to “embellishment”. Though FBI analysts had independently identified this individual as the likely source of key claims about Page in Steele’s reporting, this characterization was not included in the application.

One exception, perhaps ironically, concerns the charge that the FBI had deceived the court about the politically-motivated funders of Steele’s research: A lengthy footnote discussing just that was added to the application at the urging of DOJ attorneys, though in keeping with the general practice in FISA applications, specific American people and groups (such as “Donald Trump” or “the Democratic National Committee”) were not mentioned by name.

It’s with the renewal applications, however, that the omissions start to get truly egregious:

Acquisition of Page’s older electronic communications revealed minimal contact with Manafort, but FBI failed to note this, or otherwise qualify its reliance on Steele’s characterization of Page as Manafort’s liaison to Russia.
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old salt wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:58 am Speaking of moving the goal posts, Manafort was convicted of crimes that had nothing to do with Trump or Crossfire Hurricane.
:lol: So in your world, you think that US intel shouldn't be looking into a "campaign manager" who worked to help install a Putin puppet....to make sure they guy isn't compromised? :lol:

And What the heck are you talking about that his crime had NOTHING to do with Trump or Crossfire Hurricane? Manafort tried to hide his work for said Putin puppet...as well as other dealings with business in Ukraine and therefore Russia. It's literally one of the reasons why we have these laws, OS.

And Comey started the investigation into Manfort BEFORE he was named as Trump's chief idiot. But why let stupid details like that get in the way of your silliness, right?

So your new theory (we're on theory #5 now in just one week) is that Comey went after Manafort in 2014, apparently because he knew Trump would win the R nomination, and OBVIOUSLY get named as Trump's campaign manager. In 2014. You know: two years before you claimed this Deep State started. Whoops.

Are you done pretending you're this far gone yet?
old salt wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:58 am The Steele dossier was woven throughout the Crossfire Hurricane investigation of it's 4 targets.
Right. Which contradicts your assertion that Comey was corrupt, and "in on" your Deep State.

Comey doesn't need that dossier to investigate anyone, Old Salt. He's in charge. And no one could stop him. He doesn't need probable cause to open an investigation.

So you have to explain why would Comey care about some stupid document that he knows is useless, when he can reasonably open cases on most of Trump's crew?

Take your time, get your nonsense together, and get back to me.
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old salt wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:58 am The FBI would lean heavily on Steele’s reporting in its petition to the FISA Court for a warrant authorizing electronic surveillance of Page.
Another point in my favor of no Deep State.

If Comey was leading this corrupt fake Deep State investigation, and Comey knew all these men were in the clear...why pull a FISA warrant?

You told us that Comey knew these investigations were fake and meritless, right?

So why pull FISA warrants? Why would Comey care? Why not just go merrily on his way, sending his team to do as he wishes?
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a fan wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 10:16 am
old salt wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:58 am The FBI would lean heavily on Steele’s reporting in its petition to the FISA Court for a warrant authorizing electronic surveillance of Page.
Another point in my favor of no Deep State.

If Comey was leading this corrupt fake Deep State investigation, and Comey knew all these men were in the clear...why pull a FISA warrant?

You told us that Comey knew these investigations were fake and meritless, right?

So why pull FISA warrants? Why would Comey care? Why not just go merrily on his way, sending his team to do as he wishes?
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a fan wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 10:12 am Comey doesn't need that dossier to investigate anyone, Old Salt. He's in charge. And no one could stop him. He doesn't need probable cause to open an investigation.
:shock:

The DoJ has guidance on what requirements must be met to launch a formal investigation like Crossfire Hurricane.

Durham is a SP tasked to investigate whether or not Crossfire Hurricane was predicated within DoJ guidelines.
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speculation... :roll: :D :shock:
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old salt wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:51 pm
a fan wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 10:12 am Comey doesn't need that dossier to investigate anyone, Old Salt. He's in charge. And no one could stop him. He doesn't need probable cause to open an investigation.
:shock:

The DoJ has guidance on what requirements must be met to launch a formal investigation like Crossfire Hurricane.

Durham is a SP tasked to investigate whether or not Crossfire Hurricane was predicated within DoJ guidelines.
You mean the investigation that helped give Mueller all those felony convictions? :lol: Yeah, I think there was good reason to investigate, and Comey is in the clear. Scoreboard.

How about the Hunter investigation? Did they have good reason to investigate? If not, will heads roll?
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" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
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a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:16 pm
" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
Because his arguments have not been credible.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:16 pm
" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
Brennan did not appreciate having to answer questions about his time in office. The questions that Mueller's investigators failed to ask.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:22 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:16 pm
" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
Brennan did not appreciate having to answer questions about his time in office. The questions that Mueller's investigators failed to ask.
:lol: Translation: you're ok using US Intel to go after Democrats. Not only are you super cool that they're going after Hunter even though it's obvious to everyone that Barr/Trump/Giuliani went after him because his last name is Biden....

....but in the same breath, you think it's an outrage that the FBI had the gall to make sure that Trump's Campaign manager....who just got done installing one of Putin's puppets......is on the level, and not a Putin asset.

Do you honestly not understand how stupid this partisan reasoning is?

So in your perfect world, US Intel should have ignored all the lying that TeamTrump did surrounding Russia. Things like Kush "forgetting" to declare that he met a Russian Spy in Trump Tower until 6 months after it happened. Who cares? There's no need to check up on this stuff, right guys?

But at the same time, you're perfectly fine with Rudy Giuliani---who wasn't a Federal employee---to travel to Ukraine looking for dirt on a civilian, simply because he's his political rival's son.

How the heck does this make sense in your head, OS?
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old salt wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:22 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:16 pm
" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
Brennan did not appreciate having to answer questions about his time in office. The questions that Mueller's investigators failed to ask.
Stop speculating.
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a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:47 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:22 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:16 pm
" Brennan called the Durham investigation “silly” and said that it showed that Trump is “using the Department of Justice to go after his enemies in any way that he can.”

Boy. That's weird. I could have sworn that Old Salt made the EXACT same complaint about his Deep State.

Hey Old Salt...how come it's ok when YOUR guys do it?
Brennan did not appreciate having to answer questions about his time in office. The questions that Mueller's investigators failed to ask.
:lol: Translation: you're ok using US Intel to go after Democrats. Not only are you super cool that they're going after Hunter even though it's obvious to everyone that Barr/Trump/Giuliani went after him because his last name is Biden....

....but in the same breath, you think it's an outrage that the FBI had the gall to make sure that Trump's Campaign manager....who just got done installing one of Putin's puppets......is on the level, and not a Putin asset.

Do you honestly not understand how stupid this partisan reasoning is?

So in your perfect world, US Intel should have ignored all the lying that TeamTrump did surrounding Russia. Things like Kush "forgetting" to declare that he met a Russian Spy in Trump Tower until 6 months after it happened. Who cares? There's no need to check up on this stuff, right guys?

But at the same time, you're perfectly fine with Rudy Giuliani---who wasn't a Federal employee---to travel to Ukraine looking for dirt on a civilian, simply because he's his political rival's son.

How the heck does this make sense in your head, OS?
The IC didn't go after Biden. The computer guy called the FBI & asked them to come get Hunter's laptop.
Manafort got busted for stuff he did before he joined Trump's campaign. Trump fired him as soon as he got wind of it.
I'm fine with what they did with Manafort. It was about stuff he did before he joined the campaign.
Manafort didn't install a Putin puppet. Hunter's laptop confirms that Rudy was on a valid scent.
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old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am The IC didn't go after Biden. The computer guy called the FBI & asked them to come get Hunter's laptop.
Hunter was already under investigation before that laptop was left.

So...you tell me...what prompted the investigation? And why did Giuliani----a civilian with an obvious axe to grind----- go to Ukraine, and feed info. to Barr?

You don't know, do you? And yet you're still trying to tell me that Rudy's involvement was fine for you? :lol: Come on. Just pony up and say "no, I wasn't fine with Rudy's obvious conflicts, and weaponizing US Intel to go after Joe Biden's family", so we can move on.
old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am Hunter's laptop confirms that Rudy was on a valid scent.
:lol: And yet neither NYPost, you, or the Times can name a single crime on it. But for you, it's valid?

That's great news, because you understand that that means that you MUST agree that TeamTrump investigation was valid, right?

Because if the contents of Hunter's laptop was enough for Old Salt to say "yeah, that's enough of an appearance of a crime to say they were right to investigate....." obviously the felonies TeamTrump committed was proof that the investigations were warranted.

So are we done now?
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a fan wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:44 am
old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am The IC didn't go after Biden. The computer guy called the FBI & asked them to come get Hunter's laptop.
Hunter was already under investigation before that laptop was left.

So...you tell me...what prompted the investigation? And why did Giuliani----a civilian with an obvious axe to grind----- go to Ukraine, and feed info. to Barr?

You don't know, do you? And yet you're still trying to tell me that Rudy's involvement was fine for you? :lol: Come on. Just pony up and say "no, I wasn't fine with Rudy's obvious conflicts, and weaponizing US Intel to go after Joe Biden's family", so we can move on.
old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am Hunter's laptop confirms that Rudy was on a valid scent.
:lol: And yet neither NYPost, you, or the Times can name a single crime on it. But for you, it's valid?

That's great news, because you understand that that means that you MUST agree that TeamTrump investigation was valid, right?

Because if the contents of Hunter's laptop was enough for Old Salt to say "yeah, that's enough of an appearance of a crime to say they were right to investigate....." obviously the felonies TeamTrump committed was proof that the investigations were warranted.

So are we done now?
Durham has not finished yet & reported out. He does not leak like Team Mueller or Comey's FBI.

I was finished a while ago. You just keep going in circles, throwing the same sh!t up against the wall.
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old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:49 am
a fan wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:44 am
old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am The IC didn't go after Biden. The computer guy called the FBI & asked them to come get Hunter's laptop.
Hunter was already under investigation before that laptop was left.

So...you tell me...what prompted the investigation? And why did Giuliani----a civilian with an obvious axe to grind----- go to Ukraine, and feed info. to Barr?

You don't know, do you? And yet you're still trying to tell me that Rudy's involvement was fine for you? :lol: Come on. Just pony up and say "no, I wasn't fine with Rudy's obvious conflicts, and weaponizing US Intel to go after Joe Biden's family", so we can move on.
old salt wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 12:33 am Hunter's laptop confirms that Rudy was on a valid scent.
:lol: And yet neither NYPost, you, or the Times can name a single crime on it. But for you, it's valid?

That's great news, because you understand that that means that you MUST agree that TeamTrump investigation was valid, right?

Because if the contents of Hunter's laptop was enough for Old Salt to say "yeah, that's enough of an appearance of a crime to say they were right to investigate....." obviously the felonies TeamTrump committed was proof that the investigations were warranted.

So are we done now?
Durham has not finished yet & reported out. He does not leak like Team Mueller or Comey's FBI.
And yet we have multiple leaks that you yourself have cited.

I'm not going in circles. I'm hoping with each piece of "new" information we get that disproves the Deep State....you'll finally submit to logic, and admit that it doesn't exist, and that the investigations made perfect sense to any rational person.
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