Any ceasefire or “stalemate” would be temporary. Putin will attack again once his forces are ready. In fact, this latest invasion is simply a new phase of the war he began in 2014 with the invasion of Crimea and occupation of parts of Eastern Ukraine.old salt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:17 pmPutin can't get what his army can't accomplish. Stalemate. Ceasefire in place. Frozen conflict. Life returns to some sense of normalcy.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:57 pmI don’t understand what you want to happen in Ukraine. Putin clearly won’t accept anything less than regime change and de facto control of all of Ukraine. Lavrov said as much.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:00 pma fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:18 pmThat's the point: "somehow" you "found" the time to whine about Biden's spending in Ukraine.
That's a military & national security issue. Areas which I follow more Closely, In which I have some experience & care enough about to comment.
After----coincidentally------not finding the time in four years of Trump to make one single solitary sole complaint about all this reckless spending.
I did not consider his spending on the military or national security to be reckless. I considered it prudent & long overdue catch up spending.
This is how you operate: when a D is in charge, you throw the kitchen sink at every decision, explaining how it's bad. This time, hilariously, you're griping about money, grasping at straws to throw at Biden....when you transparently don't care about Federal spending, and never have in a decade plus of point.
When a R is in charge, out comes the peripatetic Old Salt, telling all of us how hard it is to execute foreign policy.
I never said it was ez, under any admin. I just feel the Dems are making more mistakes.
It renders your commentary pointless, and it's why your fellow posters are all giving you grief. You're hitting Biden for doing what you'd normally support... if Biden simply had a R by his name, OS.
You'd be asking us: "what's Biden supposed to do here...he's between a rock and a hard place, and our NATO allies have left him twisting in the wind"
imo -- he needs to quietly tell Zelensky to stop asking for what we can't provide. He says he needs 100 HIMARS, we only have 410 for our own forces. We can't give him any weapons that would be compromised if captured by the Russians. The more we provide, the more Russia will ecalate. Biden needs to join the unspoken consensus with our NATO allies that a Ukraine that survives with 80% of it's previous territory is preferable to an open ended conflict, so long as the resulting borders can be defended, make sense ethnically, & provide access to the Black Sea. This conflict is destroying Ukraine & harming all of Europe.
And you'd be right.
Do you want Ukraine to simply call it quits and surrender to Putin?
You do understand that Putin won’t settle for anything less, correct?
So what are you proposing? Putin is not going to stop this war until he achieves regime change in Kyiv or until he loses this war.
What is it that you want to see happen?
DocBarrister
80% of Ukraine recovers, democratizes, arms itself & prospers, as S Korea has done with only 50% of Korea.
Putin will not stop until he is defeated.
DocBarrister