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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:39 pm
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:18 pm
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CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:57 amGeorge Will heard your buddy and here are his thoughts:

Opinion Josh Hawley, senator-as-symptom of a broken news business
blah blah blah
Tedious rant by Will about the media, which ignores what Hawley said about NATO, or with the topic of this thread.
You like his policies
Other than Hawley's symbolic NO vote, what does he say which you disagree with ?

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/wh ... ato-203925

And this….
...video trolling, which has nothing to do with Hawley's NATO vote.

Rather than shifting our forces toward the Asian Pacific region, we are now sending more of them back to Europe.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/R ... s%20Europe.
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old salt wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:44 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:39 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:18 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:34 pm
CU88 wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:57 amGeorge Will heard your buddy and here are his thoughts:

Opinion Josh Hawley, senator-as-symptom of a broken news business
blah blah blah
Tedious rant by Will about the media, which ignores what Hawley said about NATO, or with the topic of this thread.
You like his policies
Other than Hawley's symbolic NO vote, what does he say which you disagree with ?

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/wh ... ato-203925

And this….
...video trolling, which has nothing to do with Hawley's NATO vote.

Rather than shifting our forces toward the Asian Pacific region, we are now sending more of them back to Europe.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/R ... s%20Europe.
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Great video from the government of Ukraine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/sta ... 2429819907

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Prof Ben Ferencz speaks on Russia-Ukraine:


https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2022/04/1 ... t-wwii.cnn


Missed it when it was first presented a few months ago. I am amazed at how alert he is after all these years. Be nice if we could have a show about his thoughts on the East African conflicts. What an amazing human being!
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Interesting read on Ukraine currrent strategy:

Australian retired major general Mick Ryan has written that the Ukrainians are pursuing a strategy of “corrosion” that seeks to erode “the Russian physical, moral and intellectual capacity to fight.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1553 ... 18464.html
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Putin needs more bodies:

Promises of freedom and riches are made to convicts in cramped jail cells. Frantic phone calls ensue between relatives and inmates weighing the offer. Then prisoners vanish, leaving their loved ones to sift through reports of the wounded arriving in hospitals.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/europe/r ... index.html


AND this:

Putin revives Stalin-era “Mother Heroine” award for women with over 10 children
From CNN's Uliana Pavlova

On Monday Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree reviving the Soviet-era “Mother Heroine” award for women with more than 10 children, in an attempt to alleviate a demographic crisis in Russia.

Originally, the award was introduced by Joseph Stain after World War II, when the Soviet population plunged by tens of millions.

The award ceased to exist with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

A payment of 1 million rubles ($16,500) will be given to Russian mothers once the 10th child turns one, if all 10 have survived.
According to the latest Rosstat statistics published this summer, Russia’s population shrank by an average of 86,000 people per month between January and May, a record.

In addition Russia is suffering heavy losses among troops in Ukraine, but the true number of casualties has not been disclosed.

In an attempt to relieve the population crisis in Russia, the Kremlin has also focused on promoting traditional values.
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They are also in the midst of huge brain drain due to the war and western disinvestment.
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Ukraine Keeps Blowin’ Stuff Up in Crimea

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Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine seems determined to remind Russia of that fact.

Crimea is now at the heart of what appears to be an audacious Ukrainian effort to target Russian supply lines and morale.

A series of blasts hit a Russian military depot in the annexed peninsula Tuesday — rocking the relaxed summer holiday destination for the second time in a week and suggesting a growing Ukrainian ability to strike deep behind enemy lines.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/crim ... -rcna43456

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DocBarrister wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:18 am Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine seems determined to remind Russia of that fact.

Crimea is now at the heart of what appears to be an audacious Ukrainian effort to target Russian supply lines and morale.

A series of blasts hit a Russian military depot in the annexed peninsula Tuesday — rocking the relaxed summer holiday destination for the second time in a week and suggesting a growing Ukrainian ability to strike deep behind enemy lines.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/crim ... -rcna43456

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As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:18 am Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine seems determined to remind Russia of that fact.

Crimea is now at the heart of what appears to be an audacious Ukrainian effort to target Russian supply lines and morale.

A series of blasts hit a Russian military depot in the annexed peninsula Tuesday — rocking the relaxed summer holiday destination for the second time in a week and suggesting a growing Ukrainian ability to strike deep behind enemy lines.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/crim ... -rcna43456

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As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
As I said when this stupid war started....... I have no earthly idea how it is Putin thinks he's going to hold the land he has taken since invading Ukraine.

And how many millions of Ukrainians now hate Russia with the passion of 1000 suns? You can't have a "normal" life in the occupied Ukraine areas.....insurgents will kill everyone. And you can't just have "border guards", because that's now a massive target.

I don't see how this ends without Putin pushing up daisies.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
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Zaporizhzhia.

Vaporizhzhia?

Think that will get the Eurotwats off their asses? I’m looking at you, Doucheland.
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Drop the Kerch bridge.

“Air defences were also activated near Kerch, the city at the Crimean end of a bridge to mainland Russia, which is a strategically vital supply route that many in Ukraine would like to see destroyed. Local media said a Ukrainian drone was shot down.”
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old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
We are holding back on giving the weapons even minimally necessary to mount an effective counter-offensive to take back any significant amount of territory, out of fear of escalation or retaliatory counter attack on US or other NATO forces. We are giving enough to prevent further Russian advances, but not enough to repel their invasion.

We are giving Ukraine enough aid to survive but not enough to prevail. That would take years & be a huge commitment, which is not a realistic expectation. We are prolonging the war.

If the Ukrainians can take back Kherson city & drive Russian forces back south of the Dneiper River, there would be a defensible border for both sides for a stalemate or a cease fire/frozen conflict, if negotiated, at that point.

If the Russian held territory becomes a "living hell" for the Russian occupiers, what do you think it will be for the civilians trapped there ?
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old salt wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
We are holding back on giving the weapons even minimally necessary to mount an effective counter-offensive to take back any significant amount of territory, out of fear of escalation or retaliatory counter attack on US or other NATO forces. We are giving enough to prevent further Russian advances, but not enough to repel their invasion.

We are giving Ukraine enough aid to survive but not enough to prevail. That would take years & be a huge commitment, which is not a realistic expectation. We are prolonging the war.

If the Ukrainians can take back Kherson city & drive Russian forces back south of the Dneiper River, there would be a defensible border for both sides for a stalemate or a cease fire/frozen conflict, if negotiated, at that point.

If the Russian held territory becomes a "living hell" for the Russian occupiers, what do you think it will be for the civilians trapped there ?
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old salt wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
We are holding back on giving the weapons even minimally necessary to mount an effective counter-offensive to take back any significant amount of territory, out of fear of escalation or retaliatory counter attack on US or other NATO forces. We are giving enough to prevent further Russian advances, but not enough to repel their invasion.

We are giving Ukraine enough aid to survive but not enough to prevail. That would take years & be a huge commitment, which is not a realistic expectation. We are prolonging the war.

If the Ukrainians can take back Kherson city & drive Russian forces back south of the Dneiper River, there would be a defensible border for both sides for a stalemate or a cease fire/frozen conflict, if negotiated, at that point.

If the Russian held territory becomes a "living hell" for the Russian occupiers, what do you think it will be for the civilians trapped there ?
Not good, but Ukraine isn’t purposely bombing civilians. Benefit of precision weapons and targeting. If they can take back Kherson, they can take back all of it.

We should provide the weapons necessary.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:56 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
We are holding back on giving the weapons even minimally necessary to mount an effective counter-offensive to take back any significant amount of territory, out of fear of escalation or retaliatory counter attack on US or other NATO forces. We are giving enough to prevent further Russian advances, but not enough to repel their invasion.

We are giving Ukraine enough aid to survive but not enough to prevail. That would take years & be a huge commitment, which is not a realistic expectation. We are prolonging the war.

If the Ukrainians can take back Kherson city & drive Russian forces back south of the Dneiper River, there would be a defensible border for both sides for a stalemate or a cease fire/frozen conflict, if negotiated, at that point.

If the Russian held territory becomes a "living hell" for the Russian occupiers, what do you think it will be for the civilians trapped there ?
Not good, but Ukraine isn’t purposely bombing civilians. Benefit of precision weapons and targeting. If they can take back Kherson, they can take back all of it.

We should provide the weapons necessary.
There is no precision bombing that will ever eliminate the need for boots on the ground to finish the job. If precision bombing was the end all to save all we would not have spent all of WW2 sending dog faced grunts in to secure the objective. Why invade Normandy, we could have just bombed them into submission? No matter HOW much ordnance is used... infantry with rifles has to go in and seal the deal. You remember a place called Iwu Jima??? Our folks bombed the living chit out of that Island.. How did that work out???
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:57 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:56 am
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am
old salt wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:06 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:14 pm As we have been predicting, Ukraine is determined to take back all of its territories.

That’s the minimum “settlement “ of this war.
How do you envision Ukraine developing the capability to do that ? How long will it take ? Who will finance it ?

It will take much more than "friction" & 16 HIMARS batteries.
Ukraine is building up its offensive capabilities, yes with enormously important US-led support.

I think they make these occupied areas a living hell for the Russian military, destroy their capacities, break their will.

Could take quite awhile.
We are holding back on giving the weapons even minimally necessary to mount an effective counter-offensive to take back any significant amount of territory, out of fear of escalation or retaliatory counter attack on US or other NATO forces. We are giving enough to prevent further Russian advances, but not enough to repel their invasion.

We are giving Ukraine enough aid to survive but not enough to prevail. That would take years & be a huge commitment, which is not a realistic expectation. We are prolonging the war.

If the Ukrainians can take back Kherson city & drive Russian forces back south of the Dneiper River, there would be a defensible border for both sides for a stalemate or a cease fire/frozen conflict, if negotiated, at that point.

If the Russian held territory becomes a "living hell" for the Russian occupiers, what do you think it will be for the civilians trapped there ?
Not good, but Ukraine isn’t purposely bombing civilians. Benefit of precision weapons and targeting. If they can take back Kherson, they can take back all of it.

We should provide the weapons necessary.
There is no precision bombing that will ever eliminate the need for boots on the ground to finish the job. If precision bombing was the end all to save all we would not have spent all of WW2 sending dog faced grunts in to secure the objective. Why invade Normandy, we could have just bombed them into submission? No matter HOW much ordnance is used... infantry with rifles has to go in and seal the deal. You remember a place called Iwu Jima??? Our folks bombed the living chit out of that Island.. How did that work out???
I didn't say that precision weaponry is all that is necessary, but it sure beats the heck out of carpet bombing for military effectiveness and avoidance of civilian casualties.

On your examples, first, we didn't have precision weaponry in WWII, and second, the Russian military is not remotely of the caliber and morale of either the German or Japanese forces on a comparative basis.

My hunch, which appears to be shared by quite a few military folks, is that the Russian military may well 'run out of gas' and be put to heel.
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