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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:28 am When the next DC covid mandate starts this Sat, you'll need 3 things before leaving your home :
1. proof of vax (> 12 years old)
2. proof of vax AND photo ID (>18 years old)
3. mask

...but photo ID to vote is voter suppression.
You yourself are against presenting ID to vote.....remember?
What ??? ....where did I say that ?

You know, at some point you have to stop complaining about things that YOU support.
You need to stop telling me what I support. YOU obviously don't know.

I'm just wondering when that point will arrive......
When you pull your head out of your rump & stop playing your dishonest game of telling anyone who does not agree with you what they think.
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Meanwhile, from people who actually give a damn:

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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:28 am When the next DC covid mandate starts this Sat, you'll need 3 things before leaving your home :
1. proof of vax (> 12 years old)
2. proof of vax AND photo ID (>18 years old)
3. mask

...but photo ID to vote is voter suppression.
You yourself are against presenting ID to vote.....remember?
What ??? ....where did I say that ?

You know, at some point you have to stop complaining about things that YOU support.
You need to stop telling me what I support. YOU obviously don't know.

I'm just wondering when that point will arrive......
When you pull your head out of your rump & stop playing your dishonest game of telling anyone who does not agree with you what they think.
Nope. You need to keep track of what you support----and PTF attention to the consequences of these beliefs.

You support pre-2020 absentee ballots, right? Or at least you did ten minutes ago, I'm sure you'll move these goalposts again. :roll:

But that means you're against changing voting rules, and forcing me to present an ID to vote here in Colorado.

Know how I know this? Because I vote absentee, and NO ONE checked my ID in the last election. Or the election before that. Or the election before that. I mailed my ballot in 2018 without presenting my ID to anyone. And you told me that you support that, remember?

Do I need to walk you through the syllogism that concludes that you're against forcing me to present my ID in order to vote remotely here in Colorado?

It's not my fault you don't understand what rules you support.
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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:13 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:28 am When the next DC covid mandate starts this Sat, you'll need 3 things before leaving your home :
1. proof of vax (> 12 years old)
2. proof of vax AND photo ID (>18 years old)
3. mask

...but photo ID to vote is voter suppression.
You yourself are against presenting ID to vote.....remember?
What ??? ....where did I say that ?

You know, at some point you have to stop complaining about things that YOU support.
You need to stop telling me what I support. YOU obviously don't know.

I'm just wondering when that point will arrive......
When you pull your head out of your rump & stop playing your dishonest game of telling anyone who does not agree with you what they think.
Nope. You need to keep track of what you support----and PTF attention to the consequences of these beliefs.

You support pre-2020 absentee ballots, right? Or at least you did ten minutes ago, I'm sure you'll move these goalposts again. :roll:
I have never opposed absentee ballots & never will. You can't show us where I have.

But that means you're against changing voting rules, and forcing me to present an ID to vote here in Colorado.
No. Read the link I showed you last time.
old salt wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:43 pm There are ways to get an absentee ballot without presenting a photo ID in person.
https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/
If you are voting in person in Colorado, you will need to provide a valid form of ID at the time you vote. All the forms of ID that show your address must be a Colorado address in order for the form of ID to qualify.

Valid forms of ID include:

A valid Colorado driver's license or valid ID card issued by the Colorado Department of Revenue
A valid US passport
A valid employee ID card with a photograph issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government or of Colorado, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of Colorado
A valid pilot's license issued by the federal aviation administration or other authorized agency of the US
A valid US military ID card with a photograph
A copy of a current (within the last 60 days) utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your current name and address
A certificate of Degree of Indiana or Alaskan Native Blood
A valid Medicare or Medicaid card
A certified copy of a US birth certificate
Certified documentation of naturalization
A valid student ID card with a photograph issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado
A valid veteran ID card with photo
An valid ID card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership
If you're not voting for the first time in Colorado, you don't need to show ID to vote.

If you're a first time Colorado voter who registered by mail and you didn't provide ID when you registered, you'll need to provide a photocopy of one of the following forms of ID along with your mail ballot:

A copy of a current photo ID showing your name and photograph
A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and address

Know how I know this? Because I vote absentee, and NO ONE checked my ID in the last election. Or the election before that. Or the election before that. I mailed my ballot in 2018 without presenting my ID to anyone. And you told me that you support that, remember?

Do I need to walk you through the syllogism that concludes that you're against forcing me to present my ID in order to vote remotely here in Colorado?

It's not my fault you don't understand what rules you support.
It's not my fault you don't understand the laws in your state (see above). Were they in place the first time you voted ?
Since ALL CO voters receive a mail-in ballot, do they even call it an absentee ballot ?
https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-b ... in-ballot/
In popular discussions, some people will use the terms absentee ballots and mail-in ballots to mean the same thing: voting by mail, regardless of why. However, many people will use absentee ballots specifically to refer to ballots that are mailed when a person can’t vote in person, and use the term mail-in ballots in the context of voting policies that enable all people to vote by mail.

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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:48 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:13 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:49 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:28 am When the next DC covid mandate starts this Sat, you'll need 3 things before leaving your home :
1. proof of vax (> 12 years old)
2. proof of vax AND photo ID (>18 years old)
3. mask

...but photo ID to vote is voter suppression.
You yourself are against presenting ID to vote.....remember?
What ??? ....where did I say that ?

You know, at some point you have to stop complaining about things that YOU support.
You need to stop telling me what I support. YOU obviously don't know.

I'm just wondering when that point will arrive......
When you pull your head out of your rump & stop playing your dishonest game of telling anyone who does not agree with you what they think.
Nope. You need to keep track of what you support----and PTF attention to the consequences of these beliefs.

You support pre-2020 absentee ballots, right? Or at least you did ten minutes ago, I'm sure you'll move these goalposts again. :roll:
I have never opposed absentee ballots & never will. You can't show us where I have.

But that means you're against changing voting rules, and forcing me to present an ID to vote here in Colorado.
No. Read the link I showed you last time.
old salt wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:43 pm There are ways to get an absentee ballot without presenting a photo ID in person.
https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/
If you are voting in person in Colorado, you will need to provide a valid form of ID at the time you vote. All the forms of ID that show your address must be a Colorado address in order for the form of ID to qualify.

Valid forms of ID include:

A valid Colorado driver's license or valid ID card issued by the Colorado Department of Revenue
A valid US passport
A valid employee ID card with a photograph issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government or of Colorado, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of Colorado
A valid pilot's license issued by the federal aviation administration or other authorized agency of the US
A valid US military ID card with a photograph
A copy of a current (within the last 60 days) utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your current name and address
A certificate of Degree of Indiana or Alaskan Native Blood
A valid Medicare or Medicaid card
A certified copy of a US birth certificate
Certified documentation of naturalization
A valid student ID card with a photograph issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado
A valid veteran ID card with photo
An valid ID card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership
If you're not voting for the first time in Colorado, you don't need to show ID to vote.

If you're a first time Colorado voter who registered by mail and you didn't provide ID when you registered, you'll need to provide a photocopy of one of the following forms of ID along with your mail ballot:

A copy of a current photo ID showing your name and photograph
A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and address

Know how I know this? Because I vote absentee, and NO ONE checked my ID in the last election. Or the election before that. Or the election before that. I mailed my ballot in 2018 without presenting my ID to anyone. And you told me that you support that, remember?

Do I need to walk you through the syllogism that concludes that you're against forcing me to present my ID in order to vote remotely here in Colorado?

It's not my fault you don't understand what rules you support.
It's not my fault you don't understand the laws in your state (see above). Were they in place the first time you voted ?
Since ALL CO voters receive a mail-in ballot, do they even call it an absentee ballot ?
https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-b ... in-ballot/
In popular discussions, some people will use the terms absentee ballots and mail-in ballots to mean the same thing: voting by mail, regardless of why. However, many people will use absentee ballots specifically to refer to ballots that are mailed when a person can’t vote in person, and use the term mail-in ballots in the context of voting policies that enable all people to vote by mail.

:lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:48 pm I have never opposed absentee ballots & never will. You can't show us where I have
Outside of mocking the lack of security of ballot boxes, right? You just implied that it's bad, and didn't directly say the words. Yeah, ok.

But fine. Keep the goalposts there. You've never opposed absentee ballots.

1. I voted remotely in Colorado in the 2018 election. Use whatever term for this that floats your boat.

2. At no point did i show anyone my valid Colorado ID to send in that completely legal ballot. You can't do that, obviously, because you're voting remotely.....i.e., nowhere near a ballot poll worker.

3. Therefore, you're perfectly fine with voting without showing a poll worker a State ID.


Simple.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:09 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
Give it a rest. In the "good old days", I voted absentee in every election from 1970 - 1992. That required sending a request to my home county registrar, stating my current military duty station & confirming my home of record. It was not an undue burden.
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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:12 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:48 pm I have never opposed absentee ballots & never will. You can't show us where I have
Outside of mocking the lack of security of ballot boxes, right? You just implied that it's bad, and didn't directly say the words. Yeah, ok.
Drop boxes have nothing to do with absentee ballots. They're not necessary. Absentee ballots have been submitted by mail forever. When arriving after election, in some states, they were sometimes still counted, based on the postmark.
Mocking drop boxes ? ...like the dancing cardboard drop box costume left on the street in a Philly suburb that collected ballots ? :lol:


But fine. Keep the goalposts there. You've never opposed absentee ballots.

1. I voted remotely in Colorado in the 2018 election. Use whatever term for this that floats your boat.

2. At no point did i show anyone my valid Colorado ID to send in that completely legal ballot. You can't do that, obviously, because you're voting remotely.....i.e., nowhere near a ballot poll worker.Did you show or provide any other of the other approved documents with your name & address ? Were the CO laws the same then as now (as quoted above). If not, they weren't enforced in your case.

3. Therefore, you're perfectly fine with voting without showing a poll worker a State ID.
You are leaping to that conclusion. I support absentee ballots. I also support photo ID to vote. With REAL ID, you & your address are already in your state's database. There are now more ways to confirm your ID & address, just like you can now confirm your VEIP status & due date, renew tags & renew your drivers license on line or by mail, without having to go to the DMV. You just confirm some item of personal or vehicle data.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:09 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
Give it a rest. In the "good old days", I voted absentee in every election from 1970 - 1992. That required sending a request to my home county registrar, stating my current military duty station & confirming my home of record. It was not an undue burden.
This is 2022…..1970-1992 is ancient time. We need as much participation as possible…not less. Modernize and move forward.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:45 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:09 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
Give it a rest. In the "good old days", I voted absentee in every election from 1970 - 1992. That required sending a request to my home county registrar, stating my current military duty station & confirming my home of record. It was not an undue burden.
This is 2022…..1970-1992 is ancient time. We need as much participation as possible…not less. Modernize and move forward.
That's right. It is now so much easier to verify your identity & legal residence, ...without resorting to a laundry tag.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:09 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
Give it a rest. In the "good old days", I voted absentee in every election from 1970 - 1992. That required sending a request to my home county registrar, stating my current military duty station & confirming my home of record. It was not an undue burden.
Did you notice you skipped something during your voting? At no point did you show a State election official your ID, ballot in hand.

Oh, the horrors, and frauds that followed. Did you know that you were throwing away your vote all that time, what with all the rampant fraud that comes with sending in a ballot without verifying who's ballot that is?

Don't tell your Republican pals you've been doing this, They might kick you out of the club.
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old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 pm You are leaping to that conclusion. I support absentee ballots. I also support photo ID to vote.
Great. You still don't understand that these two things don't square. Unless I keep a Colorado election official in my spare bedroom, I'm sending that ballot in without showing a Colorado election official my ID to confirm who sent that ballot in.

old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 pm With REAL ID, you & your address are already in your state's database. ==
Yep. So what. My ballot can still get filled out, harvested, and corrupted at any point between when I register to vote in my County (as I did so many years ago, I've forgotten when). This is what you and your pals are complaining about, remember? All the fraud you're claiming is happening?

Yet you are still telling me that you support it.
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a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:16 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:09 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: not sure I have ever seen someone so committed to reducing the number of voters in this country, but I wasn’t around during the good old days.
Give it a rest. In the "good old days", I voted absentee in every election from 1970 - 1992. That required sending a request to my home county registrar, stating my current military duty station & confirming my home of record. It was not an undue burden.
Did you notice you skipped something during your voting? At no point did you show a State election official your ID, ballot in hand.
Yes I did. I turned 21 in Oct 69. When home on Xmas leave in Dec 69, I went to the county seat to fill out the waiver for paying personal property tax on my '69 Vette. While there, I registered to vote. Showed my military ID (with photo) & state driver's lic (which did not have photo then).

Oh, the horrors, and frauds that followed. Did you know that you were throwing away your vote all that time, what with all the rampant fraud that comes with sending in a ballot without verifying who's ballot that is? Under the rules then, it would have been a lot of trouble to pose as me & acquire an absentee ballot in my name. The registrar would notice 2 requests in my name. The US Mail & Fleet Post Offices were very secure. I never missed an issue of SI, even when we had to fly over to the carrier to pick up the mail.

Don't tell your Republican pals you've been doing this, They might kick you out of the club.
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a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:07 am
old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 pm You are leaping to that conclusion. I support absentee ballots. I also support photo ID to vote.
Great. You still don't understand that these two things don't square. Unless I keep a Colorado election official in my spare bedroom, I'm sending that ballot in without showing a Colorado election official my ID to confirm who sent that ballot in.
But you probably showed ID (or provided a copy) when you first registered, you just don't remember.
So long as you maintained the same address & voted in subsequent elections, you remained registered.

old salt wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:36 pm With REAL ID, you & your address are already in your state's database. ==
Yep. So what. My ballot can still get filled out, harvested, and corrupted at any point between when I register to vote in my County (as I did so many years ago, I've forgotten when). This is what you and your pals are complaining about, remember? All the fraud you're claiming is happening?
You showed or provided ID when first registered & didn't change address. In your case, little opportunity for your ballot to be intercepted, unless you dropped it in a drop box costume some activist left on the sidewalk after a demonstration.

Yet you are still telling me that you support it.
You still fail to acknowledge the difference between a requested absentee ballot, where you verify you're still alive & confirm your current place of residence, & an unsolicited mail-in ballot.
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Except that you have to provide a signature for that ballot. And they do get compared to the one on file. So there is another layer of verification even for that unsolicited ballot.

Rs have been complaining even about sending everyone eligible to vote an absentee ballot application FFS. That also confirms indirectly the voter address…

Of course if a voter does not want to vote absentee they can just put the absentee ballot in the shredder or tear it up and discard…
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RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:30 am Except that you have to provide a signature for that ballot. And they do get compared to the one on file. So there is another layer of verification even for that unsolicited ballot.

Rs have been complaining even about sending everyone eligible to vote an absentee ballot application FFS. That also confirms indirectly the voter address…

Of course if a voter does not want to vote absentee they can just put the absentee ballot in the shredder or tear it up and discard…
Seems like Old Salt is upset that someone is given the unsolicited opportunity to vote. In this representative government, more voter participation is better than less, but for some reason, more people voting has triggered him….it’s strange.
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old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:43 pm
There are ways to get an absentee ballot without presenting a photo ID in person.
https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/
If you are voting in person in Colorado, you will need to provide a valid form of ID at the time you vote. All the forms of ID that show your address must be a Colorado address in order for the form of ID to qualify.

Valid forms of ID include ...


In parts of the hinterlands you have to present ID to vote, buy liquor, buy cigarettes, etc but not to buy a gun. After all, that's unconstitutional, ungodly, a terrible inconvenience, an absolute evil that violates your freedom. :oops:
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Brooklyn wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:05 am
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:43 pm
There are ways to get an absentee ballot without presenting a photo ID in person.
https://www.vote.org/voter-id-laws/
If you are voting in person in Colorado, you will need to provide a valid form of ID at the time you vote. All the forms of ID that show your address must be a Colorado address in order for the form of ID to qualify.

Valid forms of ID include ...


In parts of the hinterlands you have to present ID to vote, buy liquor, buy cigarettes, etc but not to buy a gun. After all, that's unconstitutional, ungodly, a terrible inconvenience, an absolute evil that violates your freedom. :oops:
Where is that legal? All firearms dealers are required to do the instant check, even at gun shows. Correct?
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HCR:

"The struggle between the Trump-backed forces of authoritarianism and those of us defending democracy is coming down to the fight over whether the Democrats can get the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Act through the Senate.

It’s worth reading what’s actually in the bills because, to my mind, it is bananas that they are in any way controversial.

The Freedom to Vote Act is a trimmed version of the For the People Act the House passed at the beginning of this congressional session. It establishes a baseline for access to the ballot across all states. That baseline includes at least two weeks of early voting for any town of more than 3000 people, including on nights and weekends, for at least 10 hours a day. It permits people to vote by mail, or to drop their ballots into either a polling place or a drop box, and guarantees those votes will be counted so long as they are postmarked on or before Election Day and arrive at the polling place within a week. It makes Election Day a holiday. It provides uniform standards for voter IDs in states that require them.

The Freedom to Vote Act cracks down on voter suppression. It makes it a federal crime to lie to voters in order to deter them from voting (distributing official-looking flyers with the wrong dates for an election or locations of a polling place, for example), and it increases the penalties for voter intimidation. It restores federal voting rights for people who have served time in jail, creating a uniform system out of the current patchwork one.

It requires states to guarantee that no one has to wait more than 30 minutes to vote.

Using measures already in place in a number of states, the Freedom to Vote Act provides uniform voter registration rules. It establishes automatic voter registration at state Departments of Motor Vehicles, permits same-day voter registration, allows online voter registration, and protects voters from the purges that have plagued voting registrations for decades now, requiring that voters be notified if they are dropped from the rolls and given information on how to get back on them.

The Freedom to Vote Act bans partisan gerrymandering.

The Freedom to Vote Act requires any entity that spends more than $10,000 in an election to disclose all its major donors, thus cleaning up dark money in politics. It requires all advertisements to identify who is paying for them. It makes it harder for political action committees (PACs) to coordinate with candidates, and it beefs up the power of the Federal Election Commission that ensures candidates run their campaigns legally.
The Freedom to Vote Act also addresses the laws Republican-dominated states have passed in the last year to guarantee that Republicans win future elections. It protects local election officers from intimidation and firing for partisan purposes. It expands penalties for tampering with ballots after an election (as happened in Maricopa County, Arizona, where the Cyber Ninjas investigating the results did not use standard protection for them and have been unable to produce documents for a freedom of information lawsuit, leading to fines of $50,000 a day and the company’s dissolution). If someone does tamper with the results or refuses to certify them, voters can sue.

The act also prevents attempts to overturn elections by requiring audits after elections, making sure those audits have clearly defined rules and procedures. And it prohibits voting machines that don’t leave a paper record.
The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (VRAA) takes on issues of discrimination in voting by updating and restoring the 1965 Voting Rights Act (VRA) that the Supreme Court gutted in 2013 and 2021. The VRA required that states with a history of discrimination in voting get the Department of Justice to approve any changes they wanted to make in their voting laws before they went into effect, and in the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision, the Supreme Court struck that requirement down, in part because the justices felt the formula in the law was outdated.

The VRAA provides a new, modern formula for determining which states need preapproval, based on how many voting rights violations they’ve had in the past 25 years. After ten years without violations, they will no longer need preclearance. It also establishes some practices that must always be cleared, such as getting rid of ballots printed in different languages (as required in the U.S. since 1975).
The VRAA also restores the ability of voters to sue if their rights are violated, something the 2021 Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee decision makes difficult.

The VRAA directly addresses the ability of Indigenous Americans, who face unique voting problems, to vote. It requires at least one polling place on tribal lands, for example, and requires states to accept tribal or federal IDs.
That’s it.

It is off-the-charts astonishing that no Republicans are willing to entertain these common-sense measures, especially since there are in the Senate a number of Republicans who voted in 2006 to reauthorize the 1965 Voting Rights Act the VRAA is designed to restore.

McConnell today revealed his discomfort with President Joe Biden’s speech yesterday at the Atlanta University Center Consortium, when Biden pointed out that “[h]istory has never been kind to those who have sided with voter suppression over voters’ rights. And it will be even less kind for those who side with election subversion.” Biden asked Republican senators to choose between our history’s advocates of voting rights and those who opposed such rights. He asked: “Do you want to be…on the side of Dr. King or George Wallace? Do you want to be on the side of John Lewis or Bull Connor? Do you want to be on the side of Abraham Lincoln or Jefferson Davis?

Today, McConnell, who never complained about the intemperate speeches of former president Donald Trump, said Biden’s speech revealed him to be "profoundly, profoundly unpresidential."

The voting rights measures appear to have the support of the Senate Democrats, but because of the Senate filibuster, which makes it possible for senators to block any measure unless a supermajority of 60 senators are willing to vote for it, voting rights cannot pass unless Democrats are willing to figure out a way to bypass the filibuster. Two Democratic senators—Krysten Sinema (D-AZ) and Joe Manchin (D-WV)—are currently unwilling to do that.

Nine Democratic senators eager to pass this measure met with Sinema for two and a half hours last night and for another hour with Manchin this morning in an attempt to get them to a place where they are willing to change the rules of the Senate filibuster to protect our right to vote. They have not yet found a solution.

This evening, Senate Majority Leader Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) announced that he would bring voting rights legislation to the Senate floor for debate—which Republicans have rejected—by avoiding a Republican filibuster through a complicated workaround. When the House and Senate disagree on a bill (which is almost always), they send it back and forth with revisions until they reach a final version. According to Democracy Docket, after it has gone back and forth three times, a motion to proceed on it cannot be filibustered. So, Democrats in the House are going to take a bill that has already hit the three-trip mark and substitute for that bill the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act. They’ll pass the combined bill and send it to the Senate, where debate over it can’t be filibustered.

And so, Republican senators will have to explain to the people why they oppose what appear to be common-sense voting rules."
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Re: Voting Rights

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:01 am
RedFromMI wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:30 am Except that you have to provide a signature for that ballot. And they do get compared to the one on file. So there is another layer of verification even for that unsolicited ballot.

Rs have been complaining even about sending everyone eligible to vote an absentee ballot application FFS. That also confirms indirectly the voter address…

Of course if a voter does not want to vote absentee they can just put the absentee ballot in the shredder or tear it up and discard…
Seems like Old Salt is upset that someone is given the unsolicited opportunity to vote. In this representative government, more voter participation is better than less, but for some reason, more people voting has triggered him….it’s strange.
With that way of thinking, since I have a right to a gun, when is Uncle Sam sending mine? Can I order a Glock 9mm for my wife and a AR-15 for me, please? There is something called responsibility that comes with rights. It's easier than ever to vote, just get off your butt and do it. In person, by mail, whatever. Show me any recent lawsuits that succeeded by someone actually denied the right to vote because of a law.
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