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I want to live where there are sane, competent “administrative officers”. I’ll even overlook the Huguenot purge in the case of France.

‘“I remember episodes of heat and a lack of water when I was a child. Now, last year, we had a very rainy summer. This year, we have a very dry summer,” Cyrille Cousine, a French administrative officer, told AFP. “From one year to the next, the most difficult thing is that these are completely different episodes, seasons that you can’t guess in advance.”

Cousine, who was on vacation, said the sun and warm weather can be pleasant for outdoor activities like wading through the Loire, but the “long-term effects” of extreme heat events are more important.


“It’s a real question that we have to ask ourselves: a question about the supply of drinking water for everyone, because that’s also what counts. It counts for agriculture, because agriculture also uses water for crops. If tomorrow we run out of water, we will also run out of sunshine,” Cousine said. “And global warming is not just about sunshine, it’s not just about heat, it’s also about climate change in every aspect, and that’s what’s problematic.”‘

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jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:45 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:26 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:38 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:05 am Humans are done.

“Darren Woods, said on an earnings call last month, speaking about the Inflation Reduction Act. He called the bill, now making its way through the US Congress, “clear and consistent”. After it passed the Senate Sunday evening, Shell USA said it was “a step toward increased energy security and #netzero”. The world is currently on track to produce double the amount of coal, oil and gas in 2030 than is consistent with capping warming at 1.5C. To state the obvious: climate policy should strike fear into the hearts of fossil fuel executives, not delight them. So what have some of the world’s worst polluters found to like about a historic piece of climate legislation?”

Yeah, “consistently” stupid and destructive to the last lifeboat…

Keep voting for the GOP “at your peril”. Lax2000, rhis is how the expression should be used.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -companies
... I am not sure humans are done. Certainly the world's very poor and very stupid are done.
So we will be free of the Magats?
... statistically you could certainly reach that conclusion.
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“Too damn hot in the hot tub!!”

“So far this year, 1,215 emergency calls have been designated by dispatch as heat-related – a 34% increase on the same period in 2020, and 18% more than last year. The 911 dispatch data showed 11 heat calls that day but did not include Noel, suggesting the actual numbers could be higher.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-heatwave

So what, if any, duty does “government” (all tiers, local to federal) have to its citizens regarding provision of basic necessities, i.e. food, water, shelter (infra for maintenance of “normal” human operating range)? What exactly did the founding “fathers” have in mind with “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? And do we care since we live in a very, very, very different world?

As environment grows mire intemperate, will life become more “nasty, brutish, and short”? Will humanity devolve onto local tribalism or adopt a new, egalitarian common purpose?
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Weekly Planet

Good morning. This is The Weekly Planet, a newsletter about climate change from The Atlantic.

First: America’s half-trillion downpayment on a greener economy. Then: Thunderstorms are moving east.



Congress Just Passed a Major Climate Bill. No, Not That One.
Yesterday, President Joe Biden signed into law one of the most significant investments in fighting climate change ever undertaken by the United States. The new act will boost efforts to manufacture more zero-carbon technology in America, establish a new federal office to organize clean-energy innovation, and direct billions of dollars toward disaster-resilience research.

No, I’m not talking about the Inflation Reduction Act, the landmark Democratic climate and taxes bill that passed the Senate on Sunday along party lines. I’m talking about a different piece of legislation: The CHIPS and Science Act.

Since it sailed through Congress last month, the CHIPS Act has mostly been touted as a $280 billion effort to revitalize the American semiconductor industry. What has attracted far less attention is that the law also invests tens of billions of dollars in technologies and new research that matter in the fight against climate change.

Over the next five years, the CHIPS Act will direct an estimated $67 billion, or roughly a quarter of its total funding, toward accelerating the growth of zero-carbon industries and conducting climate-relevant research, according to an analysis from RMI, a nonpartisan energy think tank based in Colorado.

That means that the CHIPS Act is one of the largest climate bills ever passed by Congress. It exceeds the total amount of money that the government spent on renewable-energy tax credits from 2005 to 2019, according to estimates from the Congressional Research Service. And it’s more than half the size of the climate spending in President Barack Obama’s 2009 stimulus bill. That’s all the more remarkable because the CHIPS Act was passed by large bipartisan majorities, with 41 Republicans and nearly all Democrats supporting it in the House and the Senate.

Yet CHIPS shouldn’t be viewed alone, Lachlan Carey, an author of the new analysis and an associate at RMI, told me. When viewed with the Inflation Reduction Act, which the House is poised to pass later this week, and last year’s bipartisan infrastructure law, a major shift in congressional climate spending comes into focus. According to the RMI analysis, these three laws are set to more than triple the federal government’s average annual spending on climate and clean energy this decade, compared with the 2010s.


Within a few years, when the funding has fully ramped up, the government will spend roughly $80 billion a year on accelerating the development and deployment of zero-carbon energy and preparing for the impacts of climate change. That exceeds the GDP of about 120 of the 192 countries that have signed the Paris Agreement on Climate Change, Carey said.

By the end of the decade, the federal government will have spent more than $521 billion—nearly half a trillion dollars—to accelerate the development and deployment of zero-carbon energy and to prepare for the impacts of climate change, he added.

The CHIPS Act is not a comprehensive climate bill in the same way that the Inflation Reduction Act, or IRA, is. Unlike the IRA, the CHIPS bill isn’t supposed to drive immediate reductions in carbon pollution or subsidize the replacement of fossil fuels with cleaner alternatives. It probably won’t help the United States get closer to achieving its 2030 target under the Paris Agreement.

Instead, the bill’s programs focus on the bleeding edge of the decarbonization problem, investing money in technology that should lower emissions in the 2030s and beyond. That’s an important role in its own right. The International Energy Association has estimated that almost half of global emissions reductions by 2050 will come from technologies that exist only as prototypes or demonstration projects today.

To get those technologies ready in time, we need to deploy those new ideas as fast as we can, then rapidly get them to commercial scale, Carey said. “What used to take two decades now needs to take six to 10 years.” That’s what the CHIPS Act is supposed to do, at least in theory.

The law, for instance, establishes a new $20 billion Directorate for Technology, which will specialize in pushing new technologies from the prototype stage into the mass market. It is meant to prevent what happened with the solar industry—where America invented a new technology, only to lose out on commercializing it—from happening again, Carey said. Although the directorate will focus on broad improvements across technology, such as AI and high-performance computing, two of the directorate’s 10 new focus areas are climate or clean-energy related. Congress has explicitly tasked the new office with studying “natural and anthropogenic disaster prevention or mitigation” as well as “advanced energy and industrial efficiency technologies,” including next-generation nuclear reactors.

The bill also directs about $12 billion in new research, development, and demonstration funding to the Department of Energy, according to RMI’s estimate. That includes doubling the budget for ARPA-E, the department’s advanced-energy-projects skunk works. (ARPA-E is modeled on DARPA, the Defense Department lab that helped give rise to GPS, the internet, weather satellites, and some mRNA vaccines.)

And it allocates billions to upgrade facilities at the government’s in-house defense and energy research institutes, including the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory, and Berkeley Lab, which conducts environmental-science research.

RMI’s estimate of the climate spending in the CHIPS bill should be understood as just that: an estimate. The bill text rarely specifies how much of its new funding should go to climate issues. So whenever possible, Carey and his colleagues extrapolated from existing agency spending. For instance, the National Science Foundation has spent about 5 percent of its budget on climate and clean-energy research over the past few years, so the team assumed that about that portion of the NSF funding in CHIPS would go to those topics, he said.

Regardless of exactly how much new climate spending CHIPS ends up generating, the broader trend is clear. When you add CHIPS, the IRA, and the infrastructure law together, Washington appears to be unifying behind a new industrial policy, focused not only on semiconductors and defense technology but clean energy. The three bills combine to form a “a coordinated, strategic policy for accelerating the transition to the technologies that are going to define the 21st century,” Carey said.

For the past few years, scholars and experts have speculated about whether industrial policy—the intentional use of law to nurture and grow certain industries—might make a comeback to help fight climate change. Industrial policy was central to some of the Green New Deal’s original pitch, and it has helped China develop a commanding lead in the global solar industry.

But with these three bills, little doubt remains about the direction of the U.S. economy, Carey told me. “Industrial policy,” he said, “is back.”
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Well, the rate of change is a little faster than forecast. So much for reforestation.

‘“The trees basically hopped over the mountains into the tundra. Going by climate models, this wasn’t supposed to happen for a hundred years or more. And yet it’s happening now.”‘

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... on-studies
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“How would you like your future, sir?”

“On the rocks.”

“The fate of the world’s biggest ice sheet rests in the hands of humanity, a new analysis has shown. If global heating is limited to 2C, the vast East Antarctic ice sheet should remain stable, but if the climate crisis drives temperatures higher, melting could drive up sea level by many metres.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-action
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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:51 am “How would you like your future, sir?”

“On the rocks.”

“The fate of the world’s biggest ice sheet rests in the hands of humanity, a new analysis has shown. If global heating is limited to 2C, the vast East Antarctic ice sheet should remain stable, but if the climate crisis drives temperatures higher, melting could drive up sea level by many metres.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-action
Maybe you should voice your concerns to the biggest polluter in the world... COMMUNIST CHINA? If your really bold and daring you can go to COMMUNIST CHINA and express your outrage in person. Let us all know how that works out for you when and if they release you from prison.
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Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
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Jim Malone wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
People need not worry. The Earth will take care of itself.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:49 pm
Jim Malone wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
People need not worry. The Earth will take care of itself.
“The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your shite, Folks, we’re goin’ away.” — GCarlin
"There is nothing more difficult and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes. One makes enemies of those who prospered under the old order, and only lukewarm support from those who would prosper under the new."
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PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:49 pm
Jim Malone wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
People need not worry. The Earth will take care of itself.
“The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your shite, Folks, we’re goin’ away.” — GCarlin
Definitely no control over when we are evicted
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Swiss glacier between Scex Rouge and Tsanfleuron will be gone within a few weeks. The glacier pass remained under ice year round every year since before the Roman Empire. 10 years ago it was under 50 feet of ice.

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:14 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:49 pm
Jim Malone wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
People need not worry. The Earth will take care of itself.
“The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your shite, Folks, we’re goin’ away.” — GCarlin
Definitely no control over when we are evicted
Well we have been pretty awful tenants. We throw out of control parties and trash the place on a regular basis!
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HooDat wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:04 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:14 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:13 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:49 pm
Jim Malone wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:05 pm Seems to me the environment appears to be fighting back with its arsenal of wind fire and water.

The worldwide flooding from too much water.

The worldwide droughts from little to no water.

The worldwide fires.

The worldwide wind events ala tornadoes here and high wind events elsewhere.

Mother Nature is fighting back with a vengeance and no one or place is immune.
People need not worry. The Earth will take care of itself.
“The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your shite, Folks, we’re goin’ away.” — GCarlin
Definitely no control over when we are evicted
Well we have been pretty awful tenants. We throw out of control parties and trash the place on a regular basis!
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So, the Saudis weren’t paying the trust for the water. Who was getting paid? Incidentally, exporting groundwater from an area is really, really stupid.

“However, the 2015 lease in addition allowed Fondomonte to pump unlimited amounts of groundwater at no cost whatever.

How much is Fondomonte pumping? The company refuses to disclose how much water it uses each year, and the State Land Department has never bothered to demand reports. That Fondomonte is growing alfalfa year round on approximately 3,500 acres can be verified from aerial photos.

And according to U.S. Geological Survey studies, alfalfa in Butler Valley requires 6.4 acre-feet of water per acre. That means the company has likely been pumping 22,400 acre-feet of water each year for the last 7 years.”

https://news.yahoo.com/saudi-firm-pumpe ... 44725.html
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Climate Bill’s Success Hinges on Timely Renewable-Projects Build-Out

Wind and solar capacity is expected to expand quickly wherever feasible; missing is a direct accounting of potential obstacles

Aug. 13, 2022 5:33 am ET

Despite the new financial support for renewable technologies, the industry faces supply-chain snarls, logjams in securing project approvals and challenges in constructing new high-voltage power lines and large-scale batteries to support an unprecedented build-out of wind and solar farms.

“It is a very significant piece of legislation; there’s no two ways about it,” said David Stubbs, global head of thematic strategy for J.P. Morgan Private Bank. “At the same time, there are major constraints on the rollout of electrification and the greening of America’s electricity grid.”

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The build-out of solar farms supported by climate legislation faces significant challenges. Photo: Tim Gruber for The Wall Street Journal
The bill, dubbed the Inflation Reduction Act by its authors, proposes $369 billion over the next decade in energy and climate spending, including tax credits expected to make it much less expensive to deploy wind and solar farms, as well as other technologies such as electric vehicles, energy storage, clean-hydrogen production and carbon capture. In a bill summary, Senate Democrats said the legislation aims to reduce carbon emissions by roughly 40% by 2030 compared with 2005 levels. Top energy modelers in the U.S. have arrived at similar estimates.

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There is one big caveat. Many emissions-reduction models assume that wind and solar capacity will expand quickly wherever it makes economic sense, without directly accounting for a number of potential obstacles. In one scenario modeled by Rhodium Group, power-sector emissions reductions account for as much as three-quarters of the bill’s emissions impact.

Three research groups—Rhodium; Energy Innovation; and the Repeat project led by Princeton University’s Zero Lab—estimate preliminarily a 32% to 42% reduction in emissions by 2030, as much as 17 percentage points greater than if the bill hadn’t passed. President Biden has pledged to cut greenhouse-gas emissions by 50% to 52%.

The Princeton-led model is forecasting that large-scale solar capacity alone could increase by around 500 gigawatts between now and 2030, implying average annual growth at a pace roughly six times faster than that of 2020, said Jesse Jenkins, a Princeton assistant professor and energy-systems specialist who leads the Zero Lab.

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“Whether or not we can actually permit and build projects at that pace is the big unknown,” Mr. Jenkins said.

Investors agree that the bill’s provisions will go a long way toward making a range of clean-energy projects substantially less expensive to build and provide greater certainty in the availability of incentives. The bill extends certain tax credits for the next 10 years and expands them to cover as much as 50% of some project costs.

“It’s going to make a lot more projects, and larger projects, viable in a lot more places,” said Tyler Reeder, managing partner at ECP, a private-equity fund that invests in clean energy, addressing the effect on the battery-storage projects that ECP funds.

Still, there are many challenging variables, including grass-roots opposition to large-scale energy projects, yearslong approval processes to connect projects to the grid, delays in importing solar panels and a shortage of construction workers, according to industry analysts and executives.

Take battery storage, which for the first time is eligible on a stand-alone basis for tax incentives under the new bill. Rhodium’s model forecasts as much as 100 gigawatts of storage could be installed by 2030 in its best-case scenario, and 25 to 30 gigawatts in its worst-case scenario, said John Larsen, a partner at Rhodium who leads the group’s energy-system and climate-policy research. The industry is on track to install only 6 gigawatts this year, he said.

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Storage developers have in the past year faced supply-chain constraints and an increase in the cost of raw materials, including copper and lithium, critical components of most grid-scale batteries. The research firm Wood Mackenzie had expected battery costs to fall to about $235 a kilowatt-hour in 2023 but has revised that estimate to about $300 a kilowatt-hour.

Convergent, a battery-storage developer owned by ECP, has been negotiating project timelines with customers to help manage cost increases. Chief Executive Officer Johannes Rittershausen said the bill might help the company deliver some projects next year that may have otherwise been delayed, but expects the near-term challenges to persist.


Work on battery energy-storage systems has faced supply-chain constraints.Photo: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg News
“The big benefit of this is going to be in 2024 and beyond,” he said. “Most folks in the industry are very bullish on what this means for the medium term in terms of deployments.”

Some of the biggest hurdles to the renewable deployment envisioned in the climate bill are bottlenecks in the permitting and siting of transmission lines. Such projects commonly encounter local opposition and can take more than a decade to build.

“For the kind of transition we need to enable through the IRA, there are enormous amounts of new infrastructure that we need to deploy in this country,” said Craig Cornelius, CEO of the renewable-energy developer Clearway Energy Group.

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Lawmakers and regulators have been working to address the challenges. There has been an effort to expand the federal government’s authority to intervene in state-level permitting processes, and the climate bill offers some support for siting authorities. Companion legislation has been proposed to streamline permitting processes further, but it has encountered political pushback.

The renewable-energy developer Invenergy has been working through siting and permitting challenges to build the Grain Belt Express, a major transmission project that will span nearly 800 miles between Kansas and Indiana. Construction on the project, first proposed more than a decade ago, is expected to begin in 2024.

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Shashank Sane, Invenergy’s executive vice president of transmission, said he expects the climate bill and other federal support for transmission to help ease some roadblocks that have historically slowed development.

“When we pursue these transmission projects, we’re trying to line up so many different things,” Mr. Sane said. “There is clear recognition that we need more-streamlined processes and consistency in processes more than anything else.”

Write to Katherine Blunt at [email protected] and Phred Dvorak at [email protected]
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Bureau of Reclamation just declared Tier 2 water restrictions for lower Colorado basin states.

The new chip fabs in Arizona won’t work so well without water. I hope they planned on water purification and reuse.
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Arizona will have a 21% reduction in river water in 2023.

Let’s build more houses!
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Maybe we should be allowed to collect rain water.
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:42 pm Maybe we should be allowed to collect rain water.
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