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Will she run? Should she run?
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 am Will she run? Should she run?
No. No.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:41 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:33 am Will she run? Should she run?
No. No.
Then who (for Democratic party)?
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According to the Washington Post:

10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of the youngest members of Congress, the New York Democrat turns 35 — the required age to be president — in October 2024, shortly before the election. It still might be quite early, but few have shown a knack for rallying the grass roots like she has, and there could be something of an opening on the party’s left flank (for reasons we’ll get to later). Early polling also has her as one of the few people registering any significant amount of support when her name is offered. She has thus far declined a rumored primary challenge to Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), and it’s not clear when some other kind or promotion might open up.
9. Stacey Abrams: These lists are always circumstance-dependent. You have to consider not just how likely they would be to win if they ran, but how likely they are to run in the first place. In the case of Abrams, you also have to consider her 2022 race for Georgia governor — an office she narrowly lost in 2018 and is seeking again. If she wins the governorship (which will be tough in what should be a bad year for Democrats), she’ll instantly be a player. If she loses, there’s no way.
8. Mitch Landrieu: The former New Orleans mayor considered a presidential bid in 2020 but passed on it. Last month, though, came evidence he’s still in the game: Biden appointed him to oversee implementation of the recently passed bipartisan infrastructure bill. While he would come to the race with a low profile, he’s generally regarded as one of the most impressive figures in the party, and could be a wild card.
7. Gavin Newsom: Republicans gave the California governor a gift this year: a recall election that looked close for a time but wound up reinforcing Newsom’s political stock. He wound up defeating the recall by a historic margin. Newsom has denied a presidential run is on his radar, and you have to wonder how he might wear on the broader American public. But he’s clearly ambitious.
6. Cory Booker: Perhaps nobody in 2020 demonstrated unrealized political talent like the senator from New Jersey — with emphasis on the “unrealized” part. The good news for him is there’s some unrealized upside. Booker also recently headlined a major party fundraiser in New Hampshire.
5. Roy Cooper: There are a few obvious options on this list if the name of the game is to appeal to moderates and even Southern voters. Perhaps nobody fits that bill more than the two-term governor of North Carolina. He has won statewide office in every presidential election year since 2000 — even as his party has lost the state five of those six times — and he won the governor’s race in both 2016 and 2020 despite President Donald Trump carrying the state. He also seems to be workshopping a message to make sure Democratic voters know he’s not some kind of Joe Manchin clone.
4. Amy Klobuchar: If Democrats want Biden without actual-Biden — relatively moderate, inoffensive, etc. — the senator from Minnesota makes a lot of sense. At the same time, her best finish in a 2020 state was third place in New Hampshire.
Klobuchar after Nevada caucuses: ‘A lot of people didn’t even think that I would still be standing'
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) thanked supporters in Minneapolis on Feb. 22, 2020, the night of the Nevada caucuses, for their support of her campaign. (The Washington Post)
3. Elizabeth Warren: Bernie Sanders has said pretty unequivocally that another run for president isn’t in the cards (the senator from Vermont would be 83 on Election Day). And the one who benefits most from that might be the senator from Massachusetts, who often split votes from the most liberal voters with Sanders (though it’s not quite as simple as that). Both stuck it out in 2020 for a long time, even as more moderate candidates increasingly fell by the wayside. What might happen if one of them had that lane more or less to herself?
2. Pete Buttigieg: I’m not sure people realize how close we came to Buttigieg becoming the Democratic front-runner in 2020. His win in the Iowa caucuses was delayed because of vote-counting problems; then he nearly pulled a major upset in Sanders’s neighboring state of New Hampshire, losing by about one percentage point. Few were as good on their feet as the young mayor of a midsized city in Indiana. And come 2024, he would be running as a 40-something former Cabinet secretary.
1. Kamala D. Harris: Harris doesn’t have a monopoly on this spot — not hardly. Her 2020 campaign was rather uneven and didn’t end well, and she has not proven to be a popular vice president. But Democrats have a history of nominating vice presidents, including the last three they’ve had on the ballot (Walter Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Biden in 2020). And there are plenty of reasons Harris was picked for VP despite her 2020 campaign, including the demographics of the party. Were Biden to not run again, the next year-plus would be huge for Harris when it comes to showing she’s the candidate to beat.
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Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:07 am According to the Washington Post:

10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of the youngest members of Congress, the New York Democrat turns 35 — the required age to be president — in October 2024, shortly before the election. It still might be quite early, but few have shown a knack for rallying the grass roots like she has, and there could be something of an opening on the party’s left flank (for reasons we’ll get to later). Early polling also has her as one of the few people registering any significant amount of support when her name is offered. She has thus far declined a rumored primary challenge to Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), and it’s not clear when some other kind or promotion might open up.
9. Stacey Abrams: These lists are always circumstance-dependent. You have to consider not just how likely they would be to win if they ran, but how likely they are to run in the first place. In the case of Abrams, you also have to consider her 2022 race for Georgia governor — an office she narrowly lost in 2018 and is seeking again. If she wins the governorship (which will be tough in what should be a bad year for Democrats), she’ll instantly be a player. If she loses, there’s no way.
8. Mitch Landrieu: The former New Orleans mayor considered a presidential bid in 2020 but passed on it. Last month, though, came evidence he’s still in the game: Biden appointed him to oversee implementation of the recently passed bipartisan infrastructure bill. While he would come to the race with a low profile, he’s generally regarded as one of the most impressive figures in the party, and could be a wild card.
7. Gavin Newsom: Republicans gave the California governor a gift this year: a recall election that looked close for a time but wound up reinforcing Newsom’s political stock. He wound up defeating the recall by a historic margin. Newsom has denied a presidential run is on his radar, and you have to wonder how he might wear on the broader American public. But he’s clearly ambitious.
6. Cory Booker: Perhaps nobody in 2020 demonstrated unrealized political talent like the senator from New Jersey — with emphasis on the “unrealized” part. The good news for him is there’s some unrealized upside. Booker also recently headlined a major party fundraiser in New Hampshire.
5. Roy Cooper: There are a few obvious options on this list if the name of the game is to appeal to moderates and even Southern voters. Perhaps nobody fits that bill more than the two-term governor of North Carolina. He has won statewide office in every presidential election year since 2000 — even as his party has lost the state five of those six times — and he won the governor’s race in both 2016 and 2020 despite President Donald Trump carrying the state. He also seems to be workshopping a message to make sure Democratic voters know he’s not some kind of Joe Manchin clone.
4. Amy Klobuchar: If Democrats want Biden without actual-Biden — relatively moderate, inoffensive, etc. — the senator from Minnesota makes a lot of sense. At the same time, her best finish in a 2020 state was third place in New Hampshire.
Klobuchar after Nevada caucuses: ‘A lot of people didn’t even think that I would still be standing'
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) thanked supporters in Minneapolis on Feb. 22, 2020, the night of the Nevada caucuses, for their support of her campaign. (The Washington Post)
3. Elizabeth Warren: Bernie Sanders has said pretty unequivocally that another run for president isn’t in the cards (the senator from Vermont would be 83 on Election Day). And the one who benefits most from that might be the senator from Massachusetts, who often split votes from the most liberal voters with Sanders (though it’s not quite as simple as that). Both stuck it out in 2020 for a long time, even as more moderate candidates increasingly fell by the wayside. What might happen if one of them had that lane more or less to herself?
2. Pete Buttigieg: I’m not sure people realize how close we came to Buttigieg becoming the Democratic front-runner in 2020. His win in the Iowa caucuses was delayed because of vote-counting problems; then he nearly pulled a major upset in Sanders’s neighboring state of New Hampshire, losing by about one percentage point. Few were as good on their feet as the young mayor of a midsized city in Indiana. And come 2024, he would be running as a 40-something former Cabinet secretary.
1. Kamala D. Harris: Harris doesn’t have a monopoly on this spot — not hardly. Her 2020 campaign was rather uneven and didn’t end well, and she has not proven to be a popular vice president. But Democrats have a history of nominating vice presidents, including the last three they’ve had on the ballot (Walter Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Biden in 2020). And there are plenty of reasons Harris was picked for VP despite her 2020 campaign, including the demographics of the party. Were Biden to not run again, the next year-plus would be huge for Harris when it comes to showing she’s the candidate to beat.
Not that my vote is relevant as I’m in a small subset of a small cohort, but none of these are particularly inspiring. Guess I’ll have to “do my own research”.🤪
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:15 am
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:07 am According to the Washington Post:

10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of the youngest members of Congress, the New York Democrat turns 35 — the required age to be president — in October 2024, shortly before the election. It still might be quite early, but few have shown a knack for rallying the grass roots like she has, and there could be something of an opening on the party’s left flank (for reasons we’ll get to later). Early polling also has her as one of the few people registering any significant amount of support when her name is offered. She has thus far declined a rumored primary challenge to Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), and it’s not clear when some other kind or promotion might open up.
9. Stacey Abrams: These lists are always circumstance-dependent. You have to consider not just how likely they would be to win if they ran, but how likely they are to run in the first place. In the case of Abrams, you also have to consider her 2022 race for Georgia governor — an office she narrowly lost in 2018 and is seeking again. If she wins the governorship (which will be tough in what should be a bad year for Democrats), she’ll instantly be a player. If she loses, there’s no way.
8. Mitch Landrieu: The former New Orleans mayor considered a presidential bid in 2020 but passed on it. Last month, though, came evidence he’s still in the game: Biden appointed him to oversee implementation of the recently passed bipartisan infrastructure bill. While he would come to the race with a low profile, he’s generally regarded as one of the most impressive figures in the party, and could be a wild card.
7. Gavin Newsom: Republicans gave the California governor a gift this year: a recall election that looked close for a time but wound up reinforcing Newsom’s political stock. He wound up defeating the recall by a historic margin. Newsom has denied a presidential run is on his radar, and you have to wonder how he might wear on the broader American public. But he’s clearly ambitious.
6. Cory Booker: Perhaps nobody in 2020 demonstrated unrealized political talent like the senator from New Jersey — with emphasis on the “unrealized” part. The good news for him is there’s some unrealized upside. Booker also recently headlined a major party fundraiser in New Hampshire.
5. Roy Cooper: There are a few obvious options on this list if the name of the game is to appeal to moderates and even Southern voters. Perhaps nobody fits that bill more than the two-term governor of North Carolina. He has won statewide office in every presidential election year since 2000 — even as his party has lost the state five of those six times — and he won the governor’s race in both 2016 and 2020 despite President Donald Trump carrying the state. He also seems to be workshopping a message to make sure Democratic voters know he’s not some kind of Joe Manchin clone.
4. Amy Klobuchar: If Democrats want Biden without actual-Biden — relatively moderate, inoffensive, etc. — the senator from Minnesota makes a lot of sense. At the same time, her best finish in a 2020 state was third place in New Hampshire.
Klobuchar after Nevada caucuses: ‘A lot of people didn’t even think that I would still be standing'
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) thanked supporters in Minneapolis on Feb. 22, 2020, the night of the Nevada caucuses, for their support of her campaign. (The Washington Post)
3. Elizabeth Warren: Bernie Sanders has said pretty unequivocally that another run for president isn’t in the cards (the senator from Vermont would be 83 on Election Day). And the one who benefits most from that might be the senator from Massachusetts, who often split votes from the most liberal voters with Sanders (though it’s not quite as simple as that). Both stuck it out in 2020 for a long time, even as more moderate candidates increasingly fell by the wayside. What might happen if one of them had that lane more or less to herself?
2. Pete Buttigieg: I’m not sure people realize how close we came to Buttigieg becoming the Democratic front-runner in 2020. His win in the Iowa caucuses was delayed because of vote-counting problems; then he nearly pulled a major upset in Sanders’s neighboring state of New Hampshire, losing by about one percentage point. Few were as good on their feet as the young mayor of a midsized city in Indiana. And come 2024, he would be running as a 40-something former Cabinet secretary.
1. Kamala D. Harris: Harris doesn’t have a monopoly on this spot — not hardly. Her 2020 campaign was rather uneven and didn’t end well, and she has not proven to be a popular vice president. But Democrats have a history of nominating vice presidents, including the last three they’ve had on the ballot (Walter Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Biden in 2020). And there are plenty of reasons Harris was picked for VP despite her 2020 campaign, including the demographics of the party. Were Biden to not run again, the next year-plus would be huge for Harris when it comes to showing she’s the candidate to beat.
Not that my vote is relevant as I’m in a small subset of a small cohort, but none if these are particularly inspiring. Guess I’ll have to “do my own research”.🤪
Uninspiring is one word for it, I'll grant you that.

It's why I think the R's will crush it next time around. Doubly so if they put someone up like Romney, who can clearly walk and chew gum at the same time.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ates-2024/

"There’s real uncertainty about the 2024 Democratic presidential ticket — and that’s leading to an unjustified obsession with every move Vice President Harris makes. But there’s no reason for the angst.

In 2019 and 2020, the Democratic Party had a fairly tortured, dramatic primary process before landing on Joe Biden. But the president, struggling to get his agenda through and slipping in the polls, isn’t a sure bet to run again in 2024, when he’ll turn 82. Meanwhile, the Republican Party seems likely to nominate an extreme figure such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis or even Donald Trump — and that person could well become president.

Which brings us back to Harris.

Before she dropped out in 2019, Harris was a lackluster presidential candidate, so many Democrats are wary of her being the party’s 2024 nominee. At the same time, the party prides itself on diversity and is uncomfortable skipping over an obvious heir apparent who has had a strong political career and is also a woman of color — particularly since many of the doubts about Harris are really about whether some voters would back a White male but not a woman of color.

This tension between the party’s pro-diversity posture and its doubts about Harris as a 2024 candidate led to the weird coverage of the vice president last year. There were long, gossipy articles that made it seem like whether her staffers were feuding and other rather trivial issues were major news. It’s not hard to tease out the dynamic at play: It is easy to imply, as some of Harris’s critics are, that the Californian shouldn’t be the party’s candidate for president if she isn’t up to the job of vice president. It is harder to admit discomfort with her candidacy because of her gender and race, or to acknowledge the even-more-complicated reality that Harris might have shortcomings specific to her but also that her race and gender might make it harder to win the presidency.

Here’s the good news: There’s a process for Harris to prove that she should be the Democrats’ candidate, if it comes to that, as well as for others in the party to question her and elevate alternatives. It’s called the Democratic primary.

If Biden doesn’t run, Democrats don’t need some kind of informal referendum on Harris’s presidential prospects. Several Republicans ran against then-Vice President George H.W. Bush in 1988, former senator Bill Bradley (D-N.J.) took on Al Gore in 2000, and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton started her 2016 presidential campaign with little consideration for the sitting vice president from her party (Biden himself). If Biden doesn’t run, a Democrat such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) doesn’t need to and, in fact, should not justify her candidacy by suggesting that Harris is a bad vice president or is somehow unelectable. All Klobuchar would need to say is that she would be a great president, that the job is coming open and that it’s not owed to anyone. Could this be more awkward for a White male Democrat? Sure. But Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, for example, could say he was elected and then managed covid-19 in a very red state — credentials few other Democrats can claim.

You might say that a messy, protracted primary is bad for the Democrats’ chances in 2024. But Trump won in 2016 after a hard primary. So did Biden in 2020.

That said, a 2024 Democratic primary shouldn’t be as fractious as 2020 was. That cycle, there was a real question of where the Democratic Party was ideologically. So candidates such as Harris and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.) tried to appeal to voters across the party, while Biden emphasized his centrism and Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) ran left. But the 2020 presidential primary and other Democratic primaries in 2021 mayoral and congressional races suggest that the party’s dominant bloc is a multiracial cohort of voters over 45 who are more center-left than left-left. Anyone who wants to maximize their chances will appeal to that bloc, just as Biden himself ultimately did.

In 2020, there was also a big unanswered question about the general election. Could the Democrats win back a big chunk of White voters without college degrees and carry states such as Iowa and Ohio, as Barack Obama had, or was their path the urban-suburban coalition of 2018? A related question was whether those White voters would return to the Democratic fold if the party nominated a White man. Biden was blown out among White voters without degrees (he did slightly better than Clinton but worse than Obama in his two campaigns) and came nowhere close to winning Iowa and Ohio. So there’s little reason to think Democrats need a White man as their candidate, as opposed to someone such as Klobuchar or Booker who is ideologically similar to Biden.

Finally, when we look at 2021, we can see that Biden hasn’t cracked some magic political code. Despite his White maleness and appeals to unity, Washington is gridlocked, Republican voters hate the president and his party is poised to do poorly in the midterms. It seems entirely possible that Biden runs in 2024 and loses to a Republican challenger. Democrats simply might be better off with someone new.

And they have plenty of candidates who could be as strong as Biden. Here’s a no-doubt-incomplete list of Democrats who have either won a statewide election in a purple or red state or have already proved to be a decent presidential candidate and who could run on a Biden-like policy agenda: Beshear, Booker, former Montana governor Steve Bullock, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. (Pa.), North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), Sen. Maggie Hassan (N.H.), Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), Klobuchar, Sen. Raphael Warnock (Ga.), Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf.

These people all have strengths and weaknesses, just like Biden, who after all was not considered a great presidential candidate in his previous two runs. Not included are other potential nominees such as California Gov. Gavin Newsom, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker and, of course, Harris — who has never won in a competitive state and made some clear mistakes as a presidential candidate that Booker, Klobuchar and Buttigieg did not.

But the great thing about an open primary is that you can prove you’re a strong presidential candidate by being a strong presidential candidate.

In 2008, Obama hadn’t won in a swing state or run for president before, but he convinced Democrats that he would be a great general-election candidate in part by doing so well in the primaries. Similarly, I think potential candidates such as Warren or Rep. Ayanna Pressley (Mass.), who are left of the party’s mainstream — or Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, who is to its right — could run a strong primary and either move the party in their direction ideologically or else convince Democrats that they would be a good general-election candidate regardless.

A caveat: I understand that an open primary would feature lots of people harping on “electability,” some sincerely and others because they don’t like Harris or other non-White male candidates for less-than-admirable reasons and want to use electability as a pretext for opposing them. That dynamic will make it harder for any woman — and a woman of color such as Harris, in particular — to win. That’s what happened in 2020, after all.

But White women (about 35 percent) and voters of color (40 percent) form the majority of Democratic voters, so I’m optimistic that they will give a fair hearing to Harris and other candidates who aren’t White men. No, I’m not looking forward to endless Democratic primary debates either. But open primaries are good. Harris has every right and reason to seek the nomination if Biden opts not to run — and so do many other formidable Democrats."
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a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:19 am
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:15 am
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:07 am According to the Washington Post:

10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: One of the youngest members of Congress, the New York Democrat turns 35 — the required age to be president — in October 2024, shortly before the election. It still might be quite early, but few have shown a knack for rallying the grass roots like she has, and there could be something of an opening on the party’s left flank (for reasons we’ll get to later). Early polling also has her as one of the few people registering any significant amount of support when her name is offered. She has thus far declined a rumored primary challenge to Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), and it’s not clear when some other kind or promotion might open up.
9. Stacey Abrams: These lists are always circumstance-dependent. You have to consider not just how likely they would be to win if they ran, but how likely they are to run in the first place. In the case of Abrams, you also have to consider her 2022 race for Georgia governor — an office she narrowly lost in 2018 and is seeking again. If she wins the governorship (which will be tough in what should be a bad year for Democrats), she’ll instantly be a player. If she loses, there’s no way.
8. Mitch Landrieu: The former New Orleans mayor considered a presidential bid in 2020 but passed on it. Last month, though, came evidence he’s still in the game: Biden appointed him to oversee implementation of the recently passed bipartisan infrastructure bill. While he would come to the race with a low profile, he’s generally regarded as one of the most impressive figures in the party, and could be a wild card.
7. Gavin Newsom: Republicans gave the California governor a gift this year: a recall election that looked close for a time but wound up reinforcing Newsom’s political stock. He wound up defeating the recall by a historic margin. Newsom has denied a presidential run is on his radar, and you have to wonder how he might wear on the broader American public. But he’s clearly ambitious.
6. Cory Booker: Perhaps nobody in 2020 demonstrated unrealized political talent like the senator from New Jersey — with emphasis on the “unrealized” part. The good news for him is there’s some unrealized upside. Booker also recently headlined a major party fundraiser in New Hampshire.
5. Roy Cooper: There are a few obvious options on this list if the name of the game is to appeal to moderates and even Southern voters. Perhaps nobody fits that bill more than the two-term governor of North Carolina. He has won statewide office in every presidential election year since 2000 — even as his party has lost the state five of those six times — and he won the governor’s race in both 2016 and 2020 despite President Donald Trump carrying the state. He also seems to be workshopping a message to make sure Democratic voters know he’s not some kind of Joe Manchin clone.
4. Amy Klobuchar: If Democrats want Biden without actual-Biden — relatively moderate, inoffensive, etc. — the senator from Minnesota makes a lot of sense. At the same time, her best finish in a 2020 state was third place in New Hampshire.
Klobuchar after Nevada caucuses: ‘A lot of people didn’t even think that I would still be standing'
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) thanked supporters in Minneapolis on Feb. 22, 2020, the night of the Nevada caucuses, for their support of her campaign. (The Washington Post)
3. Elizabeth Warren: Bernie Sanders has said pretty unequivocally that another run for president isn’t in the cards (the senator from Vermont would be 83 on Election Day). And the one who benefits most from that might be the senator from Massachusetts, who often split votes from the most liberal voters with Sanders (though it’s not quite as simple as that). Both stuck it out in 2020 for a long time, even as more moderate candidates increasingly fell by the wayside. What might happen if one of them had that lane more or less to herself?
2. Pete Buttigieg: I’m not sure people realize how close we came to Buttigieg becoming the Democratic front-runner in 2020. His win in the Iowa caucuses was delayed because of vote-counting problems; then he nearly pulled a major upset in Sanders’s neighboring state of New Hampshire, losing by about one percentage point. Few were as good on their feet as the young mayor of a midsized city in Indiana. And come 2024, he would be running as a 40-something former Cabinet secretary.
1. Kamala D. Harris: Harris doesn’t have a monopoly on this spot — not hardly. Her 2020 campaign was rather uneven and didn’t end well, and she has not proven to be a popular vice president. But Democrats have a history of nominating vice presidents, including the last three they’ve had on the ballot (Walter Mondale in 1984, Al Gore in 2000 and Biden in 2020). And there are plenty of reasons Harris was picked for VP despite her 2020 campaign, including the demographics of the party. Were Biden to not run again, the next year-plus would be huge for Harris when it comes to showing she’s the candidate to beat.
Not that my vote is relevant as I’m in a small subset of a small cohort, but none if these are particularly inspiring. Guess I’ll have to “do my own research”.🤪
Uninspiring is one word for it, I'll grant you that.

It's why I think the R's will crush it next time around. Doubly so if they put someone up like Romney, who can clearly walk and chew gum at the same time.
Except that Romney's chances for a 2024 GOP nomination are less than Hillary's (and her shot is basically ZERO). :lol: :lol:
Ditto for Larry Hogan. He has no shot either and he is not going to switch parties for #2 slot on a Dem ticket either.
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Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?

That is the existential question we face. If we continue on our present course things look irredeemable.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
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Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
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a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm Has to be a Republican.
I hear you and... He is a Republican. Obviously not to some. But on paper, he is. Which is enough for a lot of GOPers.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"? Up until the past few years I might have agreed with that idea. Now, I'm not so sure. Both sides seem pretty entrenched. Not sure Hogan works for me, and I grudgingly voted for the Goldwater Girl.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:40 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"?
No....I'm saying in terms of calming the division, the American right won't stand for anyone with a little D by their name.

Actual policies are 100% irrelevant to these voters. If I went through a list of Trump's achievements without telling a TrumpFan who was responsible? They'd be horrified.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:51 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:40 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"?
No....I'm saying in terms of calming the division, the American right won't stand for anyone with a little D by their name.

Actual policies are 100% irrelevant to these voters. If I went through a list of Trump's achievements without telling a TrumpFan who was responsible? They'd be horrified.
I respect Biden, and applaud him for his fortitude in 2020 POTUS run; but am not sure if he has the energy and desire to run again. Pete Buttigieg is the one that could so something crazy to set himself apart. I am not a fan of Hogan, but he is not dumb, and has shown the willingness to step out of the box.

Is it time for a new centrist ticket & party with crossovers from both joining on a POTUS ticket?

Buttigieg Hogan 2024?
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CU88 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:06 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:51 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:40 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"?
No....I'm saying in terms of calming the division, the American right won't stand for anyone with a little D by their name.

Actual policies are 100% irrelevant to these voters. If I went through a list of Trump's achievements without telling a TrumpFan who was responsible? They'd be horrified.
I respect Biden, and applaud him for his fortitude in 2020 POTUS run; but am not sure if he has the energy and desire to run again. Pete Buttigieg is the one that could so something crazy to set himself apart. I am not a fan of Hogan, but he is not dumb, and has shown the willingness to step out of the box.

Is it time for a new centrist ticket & party with crossovers from both joining on a POTUS ticket?

Buttigieg Hogan 2024?
As a fan of what Hogan is doing here in Maryland, I wonder if he really wants a VP role, I think he would want to be POTUS or run for Senator....and flipping MD to Red for Senator would likely freeze hell. He may very well go for the gusto and then see if he gets picked up as a VP ticket.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:13 pm
CU88 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:06 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:51 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:40 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"?
No....I'm saying in terms of calming the division, the American right won't stand for anyone with a little D by their name.

Actual policies are 100% irrelevant to these voters. If I went through a list of Trump's achievements without telling a TrumpFan who was responsible? They'd be horrified.
I respect Biden, and applaud him for his fortitude in 2020 POTUS run; but am not sure if he has the energy and desire to run again. Pete Buttigieg is the one that could so something crazy to set himself apart. I am not a fan of Hogan, but he is not dumb, and has shown the willingness to step out of the box.

Is it time for a new centrist ticket & party with crossovers from both joining on a POTUS ticket?

Buttigieg Hogan 2024?
As a fan of what Hogan is doing here in Maryland, I wonder if he really wants a VP role, I think he would want to be POTUS or run for Senator....and flipping MD to Red for Senator would likely freeze hell. He may very well go for the gusto and then see if he gets picked up as a VP ticket.
I don't see him ever getting a Senate US seat not the GOP POTUS nomination. But if he was asked or even asked; I could see him being very valuable as a VP for someone in the 2024 POTUS race.
by cradleandshoot » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:57 am
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Re: Hillary 2024?

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CU88 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:34 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:13 pm
CU88 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:06 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:51 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:40 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:07 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:58 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:48 pm Is there a candidate out there from any party that could quell the animosity and division so we as a nation can address the incredible challenges we face?
Larry Hogan?
Has to be a Republican.

Biden is as boring as a slice of crust less white bread. And yet the right still pretends he’s the devil.

I’d vote for Hogan in a heartbeat
So you're asserting that Democrats are more mature and sane and able to "cross the aisle"?
No....I'm saying in terms of calming the division, the American right won't stand for anyone with a little D by their name.

Actual policies are 100% irrelevant to these voters. If I went through a list of Trump's achievements without telling a TrumpFan who was responsible? They'd be horrified.
I respect Biden, and applaud him for his fortitude in 2020 POTUS run; but am not sure if he has the energy and desire to run again. Pete Buttigieg is the one that could so something crazy to set himself apart. I am not a fan of Hogan, but he is not dumb, and has shown the willingness to step out of the box.

Is it time for a new centrist ticket & party with crossovers from both joining on a POTUS ticket?

Buttigieg Hogan 2024?
As a fan of what Hogan is doing here in Maryland, I wonder if he really wants a VP role, I think he would want to be POTUS or run for Senator....and flipping MD to Red for Senator would likely freeze hell. He may very well go for the gusto and then see if he gets picked up as a VP ticket.
I don't see him ever getting a Senate US seat not the GOP POTUS nomination. But if he was asked or even asked; I could see him being very valuable as a VP for someone in the 2024 POTUS race.
I agree. I posited the VP Hogan position here a few times, Wished he could hang on in MD.....not looking forward to what comes next. I am happy to see he is pushing for a change in the state retirement/pension tax.......we are losing a ton of people come retirement time.
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If there is to be a "national unity" ticket, it'll have to overcome the parochial interests of the two parties, and have a Republican atop the ticket. GOP voters are no longer rational enough to accept even a centrist Democrat on top, given all the senseless blather about socialism, communism, CRT and other content-free red herrings. Hogan-Pete? Who is the Republican (placed there to thwart the idiocy of Trump and Desantis)?
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Hogan has as much chance of winning GOP POTUS nomination in 2024 as does HRC.
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