January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
... well gee, that makes everything alright. :lol: :lol:
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:50 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
... well gee, that makes everything alright. :lol: :lol:


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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
... roughly 10% of the crowd has been charged with something. A lot more than that participated in the attack on the capitol. And of course we will just forget about the attacks on the legislatures in some of the states in the same time frame. Right wing gun nuts threatening those office holders.
Nope all of this is just normal. Happens every year. :roll:
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jhu72 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:59 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
... roughly 10% of the crowd has been charged with something. A lot more than that participated in the attack on the capitol. And of course we will just forget about the attacks on the legislatures in some of the states in the same time frame. Right wing gun nuts threatening those office holders.
Nope all of this is just normal. Happens every year. :roll:
I tend to use the word "assault" to describe the events of the day of January 6. But that certainly doesn't fairly describe the events leading up to January 6, including the constant drumbeat from the President and his flunkies to encourage Congress and the VP to use unlawful means to overturn the election; Eastman's creation of a plan of overthrow; the Green Bay sweep envisioned and published by the Moron Navarro; to pressure state officials to find votes and conduct fraudulent "recounts" and "audits;" and the creation and sending of fraudulent electoral vote certifications. You want an "insurrection" to look like a mutiny -- violent, all at once -- but that isn't what happened or how it could have happened.

An insurrection is a violent uprising against a duly constituted government. It plainly fits the bill here, and was started by the President himself. That you want to play name games and soft-peddle this tells everyone everything they need to know.
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That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
Completely disingenuous. There was a riot. And there was a coup attempt. They are related, but different.

The riot was the tip of the iceberg. And according to Peter Navarro, the riot got out of hand and actually obstructed/foiled the real plan. Which was an actual coup attempt -- the organized, months long, lawyer concocted conspiracy to overturn the election.

For no reason at all. Despite purported pervasive rampant fraud, no other 11/2020 election in any jurisdiction for any office other than president was challenged like this. And the presidential races were only challenged in a handful of states. So all the other elections were all good (including many races won by the GOP)? Just the presidential race in only six states were touched by the stealing fraud? Let's talk about that bridge I'd like to sell you -- it is much more plausible and realistic.

It was about Trump's rogue gallery of nihilistic rat forkers -- Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Jeffrey Clark, Cash Patel, John Eastman. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and the Kraken. Mark Meadows. Jim Jordan, Scott Perry and scores of other banana Republicans in the House and Senate. Ex-military types like Phil Waldron and felon Mike Flynn. Scores of state legislators and GOP activists in GA, AZ, MI, PA etc.

It was, in fact, a full on Reichstag moment. And all these Nazi wanna-bees are loud and proud about what they did, and are now openly making money and building new careers off what they did. When they should be cowering in the shadows of the dust bin of history, praying that they don't wind up in jail or in front of a treason firing squad. Many still are members of the bar -- what the heck??????

Fork heads like Little Marco (talk about being Trump's butt kissing bee-yotch!) are just master gaslighters. The importance of the Reichstag moment wasn't that a legislative building got burned down. It was that the big lies finally paved the way for the Fascists to actually take over.

Anyone who doesn't see this is (i) forking stupid, (ii) drunk on BS pouring out of their polluted Facebook page, (iii) a democracy hating fascist, or (iv) a combination of the above. We've got several of them around here.
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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
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seacoaster wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:25 amI tend to use the word "assault" to describe the events of the day of January 6. But that certainly doesn't fairly describe the events leading up to January 6, including the constant drumbeat from the President and his flunkies to encourage Congress and the VP to use unlawful means to overturn the election; Eastman's creation of a plan of overthrow; the Green Bay sweep envisioned and published by the Moron Navarro; to pressure state officials to find votes and conduct fraudulent "recounts" and "audits;" and the creation and sending of fraudulent electoral vote certifications. You want an "insurrection" to look like a mutiny -- violent, all at once -- but that isn't what happened or how it could have happened.
This looks a lot like what happens when you put a corrupt, grifting "businessman" in charge of the US government...a guy who has created his own alternate reality ("The Power of Positive Thinking") ALL HIS LIFE, who looks at government like a business: transactional, subject to his own made-up facts, hiding intent and adding a heaping helping of narcissism, something NOT is very short supply in the upper reaches of the business/real estate community.

donald trump is attempting to impose his alternate reality on the running of our government, on his ability to "have standing" to challenge the norms we, as a country, have followed for decades (for good reason, as we're coming to see).

Why would ANYONE want this nitwit, or ANYONE who thinks like him, in charge of our government?? I mean, yeah, let's be in constant review mode when it comes to the way we do things...but, for example, refusing to submit to a lawful congressional subpoena? That's not challenging a norm, that's a cover-up.

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THE STRUCTURE OF THE JANUARY 6 ASSAULT: “I WILL SETTLE WITH SEEING [NORMIES] SMASH SOME PIGS TO DUST”

Conspiracy to Obstruct Congress.
The effort to spark an insurrection at the Capitol was not one implemented by “foot solders,” but some highly trained veterans who were onsite, including an alarming number of Marines in most key tactical locations. And the network of people who stoked the normies to serve as useful bodies to this effort ties, via just one or two steps, right to Trump.

That’s the conspiracy DOJ has been investigating for a year.
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Note that the most recent indictments have actual sedition charges…
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a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
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a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also ten other members of the organization).

Very big deal.

Also note that former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller is meeting virtually with the January 6 committee on Friday
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From the Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... s-capitol/

"Former acting U.S. attorney for D.C. Michael Sherwin told CBS’s “60 Minutes” in an interview airing Sunday that charges for some of the 400 arrested could include sedition, a charge rarely brought by the federal government.

“I personally believe the evidence is trending toward that, and probably meets those elements,” Sherwin told Scott Pelley. He added: “I believe the facts do support those charges. And I think that, as we go forward, more facts will support that, Scott.”

Elsewhere in the interview, Sherwin said that about 10 percent of arrests involve “more complex conspiracy cases where we do have evidence — it’s in the public record — where individual militia groups from different facets … did have a plan.”

Sherwin didn’t connect that 10 percent of arrests specifically to the idea of a sedition charge, but if even a small number were charged accordingly, it would represent one of the — if not the — broadest sedition cases in American history.

Sedition law has changed repeatedly throughout American history, with the idea occasionally being used overzealously to target communists, war critics and others whose alleged offenses, in retrospect, seem rather minor.

Here’s how “seditious conspiracy” is defined under federal law (key parts bolded):

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

People tend to think of sedition as an attempted overthrow of the U.S. government, and some would surely argue that storming the Capitol in an attempt to force Congress to reverse a democratic election would rise to that level. But one can also be charged if they conspire merely to use force to “prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.” Allegations of an attempted “coup” aside, the Capitol riot seems at the very least like an effort — and a momentarily successful one — to delay Congress’s execution of electoral college law.

Pelley suggested to Sherwin that this was a “low bar.” Sherwin said that he didn’t necessarily agree but that sedition charges could be forthcoming.

So how rare would it be?

Tracking use of sedition charges in American history is difficult for a few reasons, according to Jenny Carroll at the University of Alabama law school. One is that people accused of it are often charged for apparently lesser crimes that might amount to sedition but aren’t technically recorded as such — such as trespassing or resisting arrest, which are easier to prosecute. Another is that, when state charges are involved, the federal government often lets states handle the cases. And a third is that there is plenty of overlap between sedition, treason and subversion, with the word “sedition” or “seditious” not always used.

It has been more than a decade since the federal government brought sedition charges. The last time was in 2010, against members of a Christian militia in Michigan called Hutaree, who were accused of plotting to rise up against the government. The judge dismissed the charges in 2012, finding that the government failed to prove the group had firm plans to actually launch attacks.

The last successful federal sedition prosecution came 26 years ago, when Omar Abdel Rahman (also known as the “Blind Sheikh”) and nine others were convicted of plotting to blow up the United Nations, the FBI building, and bridges and tunnels between New Jersey and New York, as part of an effort to change U.S. policy toward the Middle East.

Before that, more than a dozen Puerto Rican nationalists were convicted in the early 1980s of sedition for their role in the Armed Forces of National Liberation (FALN), a group that claimed credit for bombings across the United States. Fourteen of them were granted clemency in 1999 by President Bill Clinton when they agreed to renounce violence. One who declined that offer, Oscar Lopez Rivera, had his sentence commuted in 2017 by outgoing President Barack Obama.

In 1987, more than a dozen self-proclaimed white supremacists were indicted on sedition charges for an alleged campaign of violence perpetrated by the Aryan Nations, the Ku Klux Klan and a group called The Order — a trial that became known as the Fort Smith sedition trial. They were acquitted in 1988.

Before this, sedition law underwent several notable changes, starting with the Alien and Sedition Acts in the late 1700s. Under them, John Adams and the Federalists effectively made it a crime to criticize Adams and other executive branch officials. Thomas Jefferson campaigned against the questionable law in 1800, allowed it to expire and pardoned everyone who had been convicted under it.

The 1918 Sedition Act made it a crime to interfere with the war effort during World War I and was used to target socialists, pacifists and other antiwar activists. Former Socialist Party presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs was later arrested and convicted of an antiwar speech he had delivered, but he had his sentence commuted in 1921, when the law was repealed by Congress.

Congress in 1940 passed the Alien Registration Act, also known as the “Smith Act,” which made it a crime to advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government. This was later used against socialists, communists and Nazi supporters. The Supreme Court in 1957 overturned the convictions of Communist Party leaders, ruling that those convicted must advocate actual action rather than abstract doctrine. The law has been mostly dormant since then.

The bar for sedition is higher these days, which is a big reason prosecutions have been fewer and with more time in between. And there will always be allegations that it’s being used in a politically motivated way — particularly given how some Republicans such as Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) have downplayed or attempted to retcon the severity of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

But in the case of the Capitol riot, we have evidence not just of a plot to act against the seat of government, but also extensive video footage of it. The big question will be to what degree the planning involved an explicit attempt to either overthrow the government or interfere with its execution of the law — as opposed to, say, merely sending a message and committing other crimes that come up short of sedition.

As Sherwin emphasized, bringing sedition charges isn’t to be undertaken lightly, and if and when they are, it would send a major signal about the severity of the actions of the Capitol rioters."
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Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything? If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything. If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
Wait—-so you think this was an inside job led by the Trump-led FBI?

Really? Pretty sure it was angry Trump fans who let the mob mentality get the best of them.

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a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:57 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything. If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
Wait—-so you think this was an inside job led by the Trump-led FBI?

Really? Pretty sure it was angry Trump fans who let the mob mentality get the best of them.

I
Most of the crowd yelled "NO" when he said go into the capitol. Then pointed to him and yelled "Fed".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rv18YM8hg
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:03 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:57 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything. If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
Wait—-so you think this was an inside job led by the Trump-led FBI?

Really? Pretty sure it was angry Trump fans who let the mob mentality get the best of them.

I
Most of the crowd yelled "NO" when he said go into the capitol. Then pointed to him and yelled "Fed".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rv18YM8hg
For context
I guess the central point that some people on the right are making, or have used to imply some sort of conspiracy, is that incitement of a riot is a federal crime and Epps is seen on video encouraging pro-Trump demonstrators to “go into the Capitol.” Can you explain why what he did doesn’t rise to the level of a chargeable offense?

Kinzinger.....
No, I can’t. That’s a DOJ question. For me, what I know is that the implication was he was one of the main FBI agents, and I think that’s key, the accusation that he was both an agent and an informant. According to him, he’s had no involvement with any sort of law enforcement. I would say this: There were 30,000 to 40,000 people there that day. I’m certain that if you comb some of the video from the day before and the day of, there are people that say things that probably all could be charged with if you used that low definition.
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:03 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:57 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything. If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
Wait—-so you think this was an inside job led by the Trump-led FBI?

Really? Pretty sure it was angry Trump fans who let the mob mentality get the best of them.

I
Most of the crowd yelled "NO" when he said go into the capitol. Then pointed to him and yelled "Fed".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rv18YM8hg
Great. You didn’t answer the question.

Come on. Some trump fans got out of hand. You’re telling me that you think that that didn’t happen?

What’s next? CIA is antifa, and those are real left wing idiots burning stuff?

You don’t believe this, do you ?
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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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trumpist conspiracy theorists set to go into overdrive as their alternate realities begins to crumble...

More popcorn!! STAT! :lol:

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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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youthathletics wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:07 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:03 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:57 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:38 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:06 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm Looking like Trump must have occupied the Parliament house in Bulgaria, since people tried to breach the place. Amazing, what a stout staff of police can prevent.....imagine that. I bet the protestors never even organized prior. 8-)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an ... story.html
A sane look at 1/6 from Marco Rubio:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/s ... rco-rubio/
That's "sane" or immensely disingenuous?

Of course that whack job wasn't going to overthrow anything.
But the conspiracy to do so was very real and the insurrection at the Capitol was just one, very ugly piece.
You should just stop calling it an insurrection. Nobody has been charged with insurrection or sedition. How about "Mostly peaceful protest" as less than a few percent of the total rally attendees went over to the Capitol and only a few percent of those people committed a violent act. Your label is more disingenuous than anything Senator Rubio stated. Where is your outrage over people charged with trespassing being held without bail for over a year? You're fine with it because it is meant to intimidate Trump supporters. Spare us your selective outrage.
Did you call the Protests in Minnesota mostly peaceful? Because they were. Fringe elements broke all those laws.

Pretty sure you wouldn’t call last summer mostly peaceful. So why would you expect your opposition to do what you didn’t do?
And the FBI just dropped sedition charges on a January 6 rioter.


Crazy .
Not just any rioter.....leader of the Oathkeepers (and also six other members of the organization).

Very big deal.
Was Ray Epps among them?

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 624406002/

He was on the FBI list until he wasn't. Has he been charged with anything. If you watch the video, he was encouraging entry into the Capitol. Protesters were pointing to him and yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed". Another put up job by the FBI? Like the Whitmer kidnap case that is now unraveling.
Wait—-so you think this was an inside job led by the Trump-led FBI?

Really? Pretty sure it was angry Trump fans who let the mob mentality get the best of them.

I
Most of the crowd yelled "NO" when he said go into the capitol. Then pointed to him and yelled "Fed".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_rv18YM8hg
For context
I guess the central point that some people on the right are making, or have used to imply some sort of conspiracy, is that incitement of a riot is a federal crime and Epps is seen on video encouraging pro-Trump demonstrators to “go into the Capitol.” Can you explain why what he did doesn’t rise to the level of a chargeable offense?

Kinzinger.....
No, I can’t. That’s a DOJ question. For me, what I know is that the implication was he was one of the main FBI agents, and I think that’s key, the accusation that he was both an agent and an informant. According to him, he’s had no involvement with any sort of law enforcement. I would say this: There were 30,000 to 40,000 people there that day. I’m certain that if you comb some of the video from the day before and the day of, there are people that say things that probably all could be charged with if you used that low definition.
Did you forget to play this stupid game with protesters in Portland ? What about the FBI agents that infiltrated antifa? Tune your tinfoil hat to setting “6.09”, and you’ll pick up what I’m putting down .
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