January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:08 am The Fanlax FLP call the guy below ‘political'. Skipping past the obvious that Strozk has literally put his life on the line nearly every day please look at his resume and be the judge:
Peter Paul Strzok II was born near Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Peter Paul Strzok and Virginia Sue Harris.[1] His father is a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel who served in the Corps of Engineers.[22] During a 21-year military career, his father did two tours in Vietnam, two in Saudi Arabia, and three in Iran, where Strzok attended elementary school at the American School in Tehran prior to the Iranian Revolution.

The family later moved to Upper Volta, where the elder Strzok took an assignment with Catholic Relief Services after retiring from military service.[23] One of Strzok's uncles is Father James Strzok, SJ, a Jesuit priest doing missionary work in east Africa.[24] The Strzok family is of Polish descent.

For high school, Strzok attended St. John's Preparatory School in Minnesota, graduating in 1987.[25] He earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University in 1991 as well as a master's degree in 2013.[26][27] After graduating from Georgetown in 1991, Strzok served as an officer in the United States Army before leaving to join the FBI in 1996 as an intelligence research specialist, where he worked for 22 years.



Boy, Pete. You sure convinced me. A guy with a swell resume like this would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Clearly a religious man, Pete from a very religious family....so no chance that he was a drag queen, so that's good. Educated by the Jesuits at Georgetown, instead of some pinko-commie-government school in FLA...yep, that checks out, too.

Pretty neat of you to clear a guy who was so mean to Trump, Pete. Way to rise above!!! Because obviously, a guy with a swell resume would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Heck, check out Nixon or Bill Clinton's resume, Pete. Those guys never told one single lie, no sir.
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:lol: ...what is the bad stuff you are accusing Ornato of doing ?
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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:24 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:13 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:05 pm Colin Powell was National Security Advisor while still in uniform.

Equating SecDef to a Deputy White House Chief of Staff is ridiculous.

Is Ornato back in the Secret Service, in an equal or higher position ?
Ornato can publicly testify under oath and clear this all up. While he's there, maybe they can also ask him about the Pence situation on January 6 and explain what the Pence staff said to the committee about their experience with SS at that time.

BTW, other WH staff now coming out with similar stories about him being less than truthful in other situations including Lafayette Square debacle.
The committee needs to invite him to testify. Did they ? Why does he need to tell the committee what the Pence staff told the committee ?
Its up to them. Boggles the mind that we are going to argue about the alleged retelling of a story rather than the item that apparently isn't disputed - that DOPUS demanded to be taken to the Capitol to join a crowd that was known to be carrying a variety of weapons and that the SS declined to obey that request. Good on them for that.
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a fan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:08 am The Fanlax FLP call the guy below ‘political'. Skipping past the obvious that Strozk has literally put his life on the line nearly every day please look at his resume and be the judge:
Peter Paul Strzok II was born near Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Peter Paul Strzok and Virginia Sue Harris.[1] His father is a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel who served in the Corps of Engineers.[22] During a 21-year military career, his father did two tours in Vietnam, two in Saudi Arabia, and three in Iran, where Strzok attended elementary school at the American School in Tehran prior to the Iranian Revolution.

The family later moved to Upper Volta, where the elder Strzok took an assignment with Catholic Relief Services after retiring from military service.[23] One of Strzok's uncles is Father James Strzok, SJ, a Jesuit priest doing missionary work in east Africa.[24] The Strzok family is of Polish descent.

For high school, Strzok attended St. John's Preparatory School in Minnesota, graduating in 1987.[25] He earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University in 1991 as well as a master's degree in 2013.[26][27] After graduating from Georgetown in 1991, Strzok served as an officer in the United States Army before leaving to join the FBI in 1996 as an intelligence research specialist, where he worked for 22 years.



Boy, Pete. You sure convinced me. A guy with a swell resume like this would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Clearly a religious man, Pete from a very religious family....so no chance that he was a drag queen, so that's good. Educated by the Jesuits at Georgetown, instead of some pinko-commie-government school in FLA...yep, that checks out, too.

Pretty neat of you to clear a guy who was so mean to Trump, Pete. Way to rise above!!! Because obviously, a guy with a swell resume would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Heck, check out Nixon or Bill Clinton's resume, Pete. Those guys never told one single lie, no sir.


Dude,

Strzok had a long-running affair with a subordinate. Did Ornato?

His bazillion texts showed outright hostility to Trump. Ornato worked for Obama.

Since resigning, his Twitter feed clearly demonstrates a hyper partisan actor who clearly should never have been involved in any political decisions or investigations. Where’s Ornato’s Twitter?
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The internet tells me Al Haig retired from active military duty on 8/1/1973. The resignation was related to him replacing HR Haldeman as WH Chief of Staff.

Don't know the details about Powell, but the rule is that (subject to extremely narrow exceptions) active military do not take political appointments.

You of all people should know that Salty.

Because "non-partisan" is fundamentally inconsistent with "political appointee." Duh.
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dislaxxic wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:11 pm "Everybody is saying it"

"Lots of pipple believe it"

"Everybody KNOWS it's a ______"

"Some pipple i know are saying"

Lots of pipple are asking me!"

"They're ALL saying it"

Sound familiar ?? That guy, the one who's policies you love, uses the device almost daily. You can't be serious with the nonsense you're spouting about "hearsay" at this point.

ZERO cred in most political stuff you utter. Stick to flying...

..
:lol: ...Trump is not a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist.
Are you implying that reporters now spin as much as politicians ?
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Its up to them. Boggles the mind that we are going to argue about the alleged retelling of a story rather than the item that apparently isn't disputed - that DOPUS demanded to be taken to the Capitol to join a crowd that was known to be carrying a variety of weapons and that the SS declined to obey that request. Good on them for that.
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Kismet wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:32 pm Boggles the mind that we are going to argue about the alleged retelling of a story rather than the item that apparently isn't disputed
It shouldn't. That's the game they are playing: "none of this matters because they're claiming that Trump wore a blue shirt, when duh, it was obviously a red shirt".

This stuff works, obviously.
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ggait wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:34 pm The internet tells me Al Haig retired from active military duty on 8/1/1973. The resignation was related to him replacing HR Haldeman as WH Chief of Staff.

Don't know the details about Powell, but the rule is that (subject to extremely narrow exceptions) active military do not take political appointments.

You of all people should know that Salty.

Because "non-partisan" is fundamentally inconsistent with "political appointee." Duh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig
In 1969 Haig became an assistant to National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger. He became vice chief of staff of the Army, the second-highest-ranking position in the Army, in 1972. After the 1973 resignation of H. R. Haldeman, Haig became President Nixon's chief of staff. Haig continued to serve as chief of staff for the first month of President Ford's tenure. From 1974 to 1979, Haig served as Supreme Allied Commander Europe, commanding all NATO forces in Europe. He retired from the army in 1979 and pursued a career in business.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:34 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:11 pm "Everybody is saying it"

"Lots of pipple believe it"

"Everybody KNOWS it's a ______"

"Some pipple i know are saying"

Lots of pipple are asking me!"

"They're ALL saying it"

Sound familiar ?? That guy, the one who's policies you love, uses the device almost daily. You can't be serious with the nonsense you're spouting about "hearsay" at this point.

ZERO cred in most political stuff you utter. Stick to flying...

..
:lol: ...Trump is not a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist.
Are you implying that reporters now spin as much as politicians ?
:lol: :lol:
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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:34 pm :lol: ...Trump is not a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist.
Are you implying that reporters now spin as much as politicians ?
What do you mean by "now".

Cronkite and his editors didn't spin? Really?
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ggait wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:15 pm He broke a fundamental norm by accepting a POLITICAL appointment from Trump. Not illegal, but sketchy and unethical.

So he earned his current banishment from the White House.
Ornato was 1 of 4 WH Deputy CoS. He was not even the Principal Deputy CoS. He was OPS. It was not a political or policy making position. He was in charge of the President's movements. Sketchy & unethical ? :roll:
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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:07 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:15 pm He broke a fundamental norm by accepting a POLITICAL appointment from Trump. Not illegal, but sketchy and unethical.

So he earned his current banishment from the White House.
Ornato was 1 of 4 WH Deputy CoS. He was not even the Principal Deputy CoS. He was OPS. It was not a political or policy making position. He was in charge of the President's movements. Sketchy & unethical ? :roll:



It’s truly unreal the lengths these guys go to demean someone, a guy I might add has never said a works about anyone he works with or for, and kept his mouth shut while doing his job.
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:32 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:08 am The Fanlax FLP call the guy below ‘political'. Skipping past the obvious that Strozk has literally put his life on the line nearly every day please look at his resume and be the judge:
Peter Paul Strzok II was born near Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Peter Paul Strzok and Virginia Sue Harris.[1] His father is a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel who served in the Corps of Engineers.[22] During a 21-year military career, his father did two tours in Vietnam, two in Saudi Arabia, and three in Iran, where Strzok attended elementary school at the American School in Tehran prior to the Iranian Revolution.

The family later moved to Upper Volta, where the elder Strzok took an assignment with Catholic Relief Services after retiring from military service.[23] One of Strzok's uncles is Father James Strzok, SJ, a Jesuit priest doing missionary work in east Africa.[24] The Strzok family is of Polish descent.

For high school, Strzok attended St. John's Preparatory School in Minnesota, graduating in 1987.[25] He earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University in 1991 as well as a master's degree in 2013.[26][27] After graduating from Georgetown in 1991, Strzok served as an officer in the United States Army before leaving to join the FBI in 1996 as an intelligence research specialist, where he worked for 22 years.



Boy, Pete. You sure convinced me. A guy with a swell resume like this would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Clearly a religious man, Pete from a very religious family....so no chance that he was a drag queen, so that's good. Educated by the Jesuits at Georgetown, instead of some pinko-commie-government school in FLA...yep, that checks out, too.

Pretty neat of you to clear a guy who was so mean to Trump, Pete. Way to rise above!!! Because obviously, a guy with a swell resume would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Heck, check out Nixon or Bill Clinton's resume, Pete. Those guys never told one single lie, no sir.


Dude,

Strzok had a long-running affair with a subordinate. Did Ornato?
:lol: Sigh. You JUST finished telling us that a neat-0 CV immediately clears a guy from bad stuff, Pete!

Change your mind again? Because boy, I always thought that a CV had nothing to do with whether someone would lie or break laws.

Until Pete came along and correct my silly way of thinking. Boy, was I wrong. Thanks for helping me, Pete!!
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a fan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:26 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:32 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:08 am The Fanlax FLP call the guy below ‘political'. Skipping past the obvious that Strozk has literally put his life on the line nearly every day please look at his resume and be the judge:
Peter Paul Strzok II was born near Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Peter Paul Strzok and Virginia Sue Harris.[1] His father is a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel who served in the Corps of Engineers.[22] During a 21-year military career, his father did two tours in Vietnam, two in Saudi Arabia, and three in Iran, where Strzok attended elementary school at the American School in Tehran prior to the Iranian Revolution.

The family later moved to Upper Volta, where the elder Strzok took an assignment with Catholic Relief Services after retiring from military service.[23] One of Strzok's uncles is Father James Strzok, SJ, a Jesuit priest doing missionary work in east Africa.[24] The Strzok family is of Polish descent.

For high school, Strzok attended St. John's Preparatory School in Minnesota, graduating in 1987.[25] He earned a bachelor's degree from Georgetown University in 1991 as well as a master's degree in 2013.[26][27] After graduating from Georgetown in 1991, Strzok served as an officer in the United States Army before leaving to join the FBI in 1996 as an intelligence research specialist, where he worked for 22 years.



Boy, Pete. You sure convinced me. A guy with a swell resume like this would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Clearly a religious man, Pete from a very religious family....so no chance that he was a drag queen, so that's good. Educated by the Jesuits at Georgetown, instead of some pinko-commie-government school in FLA...yep, that checks out, too.

Pretty neat of you to clear a guy who was so mean to Trump, Pete. Way to rise above!!! Because obviously, a guy with a swell resume would NEVER lie or do bad stuff. Heck, check out Nixon or Bill Clinton's resume, Pete. Those guys never told one single lie, no sir.


Dude,

Strzok had a long-running affair with a subordinate. Did Ornato?
:lol: Sigh. You JUST finished telling us that a neat-0 CV immediately clears a guy from bad stuff, Pete!

Change your mind again? Because boy, I always thought that a CV had nothing to do with whether someone would lie or break laws.

Until Pete came along and correct my silly way of thinking. Boy, was I wrong. Thanks for helping me, Pete!!



I ‘just finished telling you that’? I did? Weird I don’t recall saying that.

I recall posting his bio but I don’t think I commented on any of his personal failings of which I’m unaware of any. Has he disappointed you in any way?
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Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:06 pm I recall posting his bio
Yep. And now you're telling us that CV's have nothing to do with anything now that I gave you the CV of a guy you don't like.

Let me know if you change your mind about that. Again.
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old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:07 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:15 pm He broke a fundamental norm by accepting a POLITICAL appointment from Trump. Not illegal, but sketchy and unethical.

So he earned his current banishment from the White House.
Ornato was 1 of 4 WH Deputy CoS. He was not even the Principal Deputy CoS. He was OPS. It was not a political or policy making position. He was in charge of the President's movements. Sketchy & unethical ? :roll:
He can clear it all up by testifying under oath to the committee who BTW cited that based upon his previous testimony that his recollections are not anywhere close to those of Ms Hutchinson. Bet his answers last time consisted of many "I don't recall' to any number of questions that were posed to him.

If he's such a stand-up guy he should be publicly insisting on a session with the committee under oath ASAP.

Even your pals at the Washington Examiner have questions about Ornato's credibility

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... tory-lying
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Stars for Mr. Haig

NY Times

9/18/1974:

What raises such serious questions about the appointment [as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe] is the fact that it will further blur the vital dividing line between political and military authority. General Haig once again dons his uniform and returns to active duty, only seventeen months after making the deliberate decision to RESIGN HIS COMMISSION AND RETIRE FROM THE ARMY in order to serve in the White House in a position that inevitably placed him in the center of President Nixon's political struggle for survival.


Salty -- we're done on this now, right? Or do you have some more pettifogging for us?



https://www.nytimes.com/1974/09/18/arch ... -haig.html
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a fan wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:11 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:06 pm I recall posting his bio
Yep. And now you're telling us that CV's have nothing to do with anything now that I gave you the CV of a guy you don't like.

Let me know if you change your mind about that. Again.



The same guy who cheated on his wife with an underling (whose pay he had influence on), who has proven to be a hyper partisan actor? I guess I should apologize for not respecting him equally with the guy who seems much cleaner.
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Kismet wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:15 pm
old salt wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:07 pm
ggait wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:15 pm He broke a fundamental norm by accepting a POLITICAL appointment from Trump. Not illegal, but sketchy and unethical.

So he earned his current banishment from the White House.
Ornato was 1 of 4 WH Deputy CoS. He was not even the Principal Deputy CoS. He was OPS. It was not a political or policy making position. He was in charge of the President's movements. Sketchy & unethical ? :roll:
He can clear it all up by testifying under oath to the committee who BTW cited that based upon his previous testimony that his recollections are not anywhere close to those of Ms Hutchinson. Bet his answers last time consisted of many "I don't recall' to any number of questions that were posed to him.

If he's such a stand-up guy he should be publicly insisting on a session with the committee under oath.
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