see aboveMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:43 pmYou're gonna have to be more specific as to what country, what land was exploited, what capital was stolen, etc...Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:39 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:32 pmThere you go again, "imperialistic colonialism"...yup, anti-western bias.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmMDLaxfan76
the enforcement of international rule of law was not the causal factor to ongoing instability
Rather it is the failure to enforce the rule of law is the causal factor. Bush, Jr's imperialistic colonialism is what led to all the instability that took place as he was emboldened by the actions taken by his murderous father. The result: over a million dead innocents, a terrible refugee crisis, homeless veterans, and more trillions in debt. Naturally, members of the far right who own stock in the military industrial complex applaud and demand more war.
Plenty of room for critique without the hyper hyperbole...
The problem is that you continue to criticize but you offer no valid counter point. How is this not "imperialistic colonialism"?
Here is the USA invading a country, imposing all kinds of Nazi style depredations, imposing a puppet regime as dictator, exploiting the land, stealing its capital, and giving hundreds of billions in war profits to wealthy elites ~ how the hell is this anti Western when it is the goddamn truth???
Suppose some foreign country did all that shttt to us, what the hell would you call it?
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Except that Taiwan is, as a matter of practical reality, a distinct independent nation whose people consider themselves Taiwanese, not Chinese.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:44 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:22 amNope, you've let your anti-western bias warp your perspective to the point of falsely exaggerating and conflating various quite distinct parts of history.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:26 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:23 pm Fascinating how left wing you get on how to understand history.
There is no left wing or right wing in the word history. Just the truth.
That's not "truth".
"anti-western"
Ridiculous comment. Can you present any evidence to prove that China did not control Taiwan for 200 years until 1895 and that it took a Japanese invasion for them to leave it? Or how about "evidence" that Beijing ever recognized Chiang's imperialist invasion of that island as a valid form of secession and democratization?
Go ahead and show me your proof. I'll wait.
You basically told 24 million Taiwanese to go f*ck themselves and surrender their democracy and identity as a people to China.
That is incredibly arrogant and patronizing. Isn’t that the kind of dismissive, racist attitude that screwed up so many regions of the world when the Western colonial powers were dissolving their empires and imposing sometimes arbitrary borders?
Let the Taiwanese determine their own fate, and restrain your own Western arrogance.
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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:02 pmExcept that Taiwan is, as a matter of practical reality, a distinct independent nation whose people consider themselves Taiwanese, not Chinese.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:44 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:22 amNope, you've let your anti-western bias warp your perspective to the point of falsely exaggerating and conflating various quite distinct parts of history.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:26 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:23 pm Fascinating how left wing you get on how to understand history.
There is no left wing or right wing in the word history. Just the truth.
That's not "truth".
"anti-western"
Ridiculous comment. Can you present any evidence to prove that China did not control Taiwan for 200 years until 1895 and that it took a Japanese invasion for them to leave it? Or how about "evidence" that Beijing ever recognized Chiang's imperialist invasion of that island as a valid form of secession and democratization?
Go ahead and show me your proof. I'll wait.
You basically told 24 million Taiwanese to go f*ck themselves and surrender their democracy and identity as a people to China.
That is incredibly arrogant and patronizing. Isn’t that the kind of dismissive, racist attitude that screwed up so many regions of the world when the Western colonial powers were dissolving their empires and imposing sometimes arbitrary borders?
Let the Taiwanese determine their own fate, and restrain your own Western arrogance.
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First I'm called anti Western, now I'm called "Western arrogance". So funny!
In a democracy, the majority rule. Let the Chinese majority rule as we did in the USA when we refused to recognize the Confederacy's claimed "right" to secede. Oh by the way, when you read your history in school books, did the southern secession bring tears to your eyes? In the South as in China there is no ethnic difference between the factionalists and the majority. By contrast there is a major ethnic/linguistic difference between Falangist Spaniards and democratic Catalonians. Like it or not, that's the TRUTH. Visca Cataluñya libre y LLiure!
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sorry, I don't follow.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:55 pmsee aboveMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:43 pmYou're gonna have to be more specific as to what country, what land was exploited, what capital was stolen, etc...Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:39 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:32 pmThere you go again, "imperialistic colonialism"...yup, anti-western bias.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:22 pmMDLaxfan76
the enforcement of international rule of law was not the causal factor to ongoing instability
Rather it is the failure to enforce the rule of law is the causal factor. Bush, Jr's imperialistic colonialism is what led to all the instability that took place as he was emboldened by the actions taken by his murderous father. The result: over a million dead innocents, a terrible refugee crisis, homeless veterans, and more trillions in debt. Naturally, members of the far right who own stock in the military industrial complex applaud and demand more war.
Plenty of room for critique without the hyper hyperbole...
The problem is that you continue to criticize but you offer no valid counter point. How is this not "imperialistic colonialism"?
Here is the USA invading a country, imposing all kinds of Nazi style depredations, imposing a puppet regime as dictator, exploiting the land, stealing its capital, and giving hundreds of billions in war profits to wealthy elites ~ how the hell is this anti Western when it is the goddamn truth???
Suppose some foreign country did all that shttt to us, what the hell would you call it?
Did we take Afghanistan's land, capital???
Bad deal, if so...
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Nope, the government in China doesn't give a hoot about "democracy" nor do they care about the human rights and freedoms we take for granted in the West.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:31 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:02 pmExcept that Taiwan is, as a matter of practical reality, a distinct independent nation whose people consider themselves Taiwanese, not Chinese.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:44 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:22 amNope, you've let your anti-western bias warp your perspective to the point of falsely exaggerating and conflating various quite distinct parts of history.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:26 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:23 pm Fascinating how left wing you get on how to understand history.
There is no left wing or right wing in the word history. Just the truth.
That's not "truth".
"anti-western"
Ridiculous comment. Can you present any evidence to prove that China did not control Taiwan for 200 years until 1895 and that it took a Japanese invasion for them to leave it? Or how about "evidence" that Beijing ever recognized Chiang's imperialist invasion of that island as a valid form of secession and democratization?
Go ahead and show me your proof. I'll wait.
You basically told 24 million Taiwanese to go f*ck themselves and surrender their democracy and identity as a people to China.
That is incredibly arrogant and patronizing. Isn’t that the kind of dismissive, racist attitude that screwed up so many regions of the world when the Western colonial powers were dissolving their empires and imposing sometimes arbitrary borders?
Let the Taiwanese determine their own fate, and restrain your own Western arrogance.
DocBarrister
First I'm called anti Western, now I'm called "Western arrogance". So funny!
In a democracy, the majority rule. Let the Chinese majority rule as we did in the USA when we refused to recognize the Confederacy's claimed "right" to secede. Oh by the way, when you read your history in school books, did the southern secession bring tears to your eyes? In the South as in China there is no ethnic difference between the factionalists and the majority. By contrast there is a major ethnic/linguistic difference between Falangist Spaniards and democratic Catalonians. Like it or not, that's the TRUTH. Visca Cataluñya libre y LLiure!
And nope, the current rulers of China, the Communist Party of China (CPC), never controlled Taiwan. They control the People's Republic of China (PRC).
Taiwan is occupied by those who lost the battle to control mainland China, who fled to Taiwan and took it from the Japanese. They called it the Republic of China (ROC) Up until 1971, the Taiwan government (ROC) was still recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate ruler of "China", not the CPC...though that was clearly not accurate. In 1971, they lost their seat to the CPC...but then have become recognized as Taiwan...
No fully clean hands, but Taiwan is independent and has been for many decades. Both PRC and ROC claim the legitimacy of rule over the other's territory.
Our ongoing policy is to recognize and respect both, though our democratic ally is Taiwan.
Your Spanish etc argument is irrelevant to this issue and history...argue it on another thread.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:11 pm
Did we take Afghanistan's land, capital???
Bad deal, if so...
Nope, the government in China doesn't give a hoot about "democracy" nor do they care about the human rights and freedoms we take for granted in the West.
And nope, the current rulers of China, the Communist Party of China (CPC), never controlled Taiwan. They control the People's Republic of China (PRC).
Taiwan is occupied by those who lost the battle to control mainland China, who fled to Taiwan and took it from the Japanese. They called it the Republic of China (ROC) Up until 1971, the Taiwan government (ROC) was still recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate ruler of "China", not the CPC...though that was clearly not accurate. In 1971, they lost their seat to the CPC...but then have become recognized as Taiwan...
No fully clean hands, but Taiwan is independent and has been for many decades. Both PRC and ROC claim the legitimacy of rule over the other's territory.
Our ongoing policy is to recognize and respect both, though our democratic ally is Taiwan.
Your Spanish etc argument is irrelevant to this issue and history...argue it on another thread.
Take Afghanistan's land? Only for 20 years. Yeah, a bad move indeed. And then the puppet dictator runs off with over $100 million stashed in his luggage.
China's government doesn't give a hoot about freedom and human rights? How does its record compare to the number of incidents involving the thousands of George Floyds and the like who are either dead or rotting in jail? In the past I've posted numerous links to selective enforcement of the law and other injustices that are ethnically/racially based so you know all about that already and I need not repeat myself here.
It is true that the UN recognized Chiang's pro West puppet regime. That's what a few dollars under the table does for you. Eventually the truth came out and it decided to go with the wishes of China's majority population. I am no expert on China's modern history but am aware that Chiang and Mao signed an alliance accord in order to fight off fascist Japanese imperialists. However, so far as I know there was no provision in that accord to recognize any right to secession. On that basis,Taiwan's unilateral secession claim is without valid basis. Since the UN and the rest of the world refused to recognize Catalunya's secession then as a matter of principle it must also refuse to recognize Taiwan's claim. Without consistency there is no valid principle. It must apply the same standards at all times. Return Taiwan to the Beijing at once.
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"bankrolled him". We gave limited aid (mostly non-financial), tied to his war effort vs Iran. If we were "bankroll"-ing him, he would not have had a reason to invade Kuwait. Our failure was diplomatic, in not getting the other Arab states to help "bankroll" his war vs Iran.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:43 amIrrelevant details. We bankrolled him and propped him up. And it backfired. That's the relevant info.
https://adst.org/2016/09/sparking-iraqs ... il-access/
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You really don't know?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:04 pm "bankrolled him". We gave limited aid (mostly non-financial), tied to his war effort vs Iran. If we were "bankroll"-ing him, he would not have had a reason to invade Kuwait. Our failure was diplomatic, in not getting the other Arab states to help "bankroll" his war vs Iran.
https://adst.org/2016/09/sparking-iraqs ... il-access/
We bankrolled both Iran and Iraq. Money. Arms. Intel. Training. All of it. And the aid waxed and waned according to Reagan and Bush's choices.
"Saddam Hussein got the equipment that the State Department wanted him to have," he said.
It was "U.S. foreign policy to assist the regime of Saddam Hussein," he added.
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/worl ... -iran.html
And then more with Bush in charge.
The policy of helping Hussein was conceived in the Ronald Reagan Administration to prop up Hussein in his long war with Iran and thus slow the spread of radical Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East.
But the policy--and Bush’s repeated personal involvement--continued well beyond the end of the Iran-Iraq war, which was concluded in the summer of 1988. And it did more than enable Hussein to survive: It helped him assemble the war machine that soon became a threat to his neighbors and to vital U.S. interests in the oil-rich Persian Gulf.
Earlier in the month, President Bush had signed a secret national security directive ordering closer ties with Iraq and the Administration wanted to give Hussein’s regime $1 billion in new financial aid, using an Agriculture Department loan-guarantee program to do it. But program officials were balking--saying that Iraq would never repay the money. And a potential scandal was brewing over irregularities in past loans to Baghdad.
The new loans, pushed through at a time when U.S. intelligence reports indicated Hussein was spending heavily on developing nuclear weapons, were used by a credit-starved Iraq to feed its people, freeing up its cash reserves to finance the massive arms buildup that ended in war with the United States. The Bush Administration, apparently failing to understand the Iraqi dictator’s intentions, indirectly helped pay for weapons that were ultimately used against American and allied troops.[/o]
Whoops.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
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Lots and lots of "squirrel" arguments in there. Gonna ignore squirrels.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:10 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:11 pm
Did we take Afghanistan's land, capital???
Bad deal, if so...
Nope, the government in China doesn't give a hoot about "democracy" nor do they care about the human rights and freedoms we take for granted in the West.
And nope, the current rulers of China, the Communist Party of China (CPC), never controlled Taiwan. They control the People's Republic of China (PRC).
Taiwan is occupied by those who lost the battle to control mainland China, who fled to Taiwan and took it from the Japanese. They called it the Republic of China (ROC) Up until 1971, the Taiwan government (ROC) was still recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate ruler of "China", not the CPC...though that was clearly not accurate. In 1971, they lost their seat to the CPC...but then have become recognized as Taiwan...
No fully clean hands, but Taiwan is independent and has been for many decades. Both PRC and ROC claim the legitimacy of rule over the other's territory.
Our ongoing policy is to recognize and respect both, though our democratic ally is Taiwan.
Your Spanish etc argument is irrelevant to this issue and history...argue it on another thread.
Take Afghanistan's land? Only for 20 years. Yeah, a bad move indeed. And then the puppet dictator runs off with over $100 million stashed in his luggage.
China's government doesn't give a hoot about freedom and human rights? How does its record compare to the number of incidents involving the thousands of George Floyds and the like who are either dead or rotting in jail? In the past I've posted numerous links to selective enforcement of the law and other injustices that are ethnically/racially based so you know all about that already and I need not repeat myself here.
It is true that the UN recognized Chiang's pro West puppet regime. That's what a few dollars under the table does for you. Eventually the truth came out and it decided to go with the wishes of China's majority population. I am no expert on China's modern history but am aware that Chiang and Mao signed an alliance accord in order to fight off fascist Japanese imperialists. However, so far as I know there was no provision in that accord to recognize any right to secession. On that basis,Taiwan's unilateral secession claim is without valid basis. Since the UN and the rest of the world refused to recognize Catalunya's secession then as a matter of principle it must also refuse to recognize Taiwan's claim. Without consistency there is no valid principle. It must apply the same standards at all times. Return Taiwan to the Beijing at once.
No, we didn't annex Afghanistan, nor did we steal their capital.
Re China and Taiwan, there was no secession...these were rival, fighting forces and one took Taiwan from the Japanese, the other took the mainland.
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''squirrel" arguments
Taiwan was invaded by Chiang's forces in 1949, not 1944 or 45. They were able to repulse Mao's liberation forces after the war because of superior technology given by Truman, not because they were heroes.
Taiwan was invaded by Chiang's forces in 1949, not 1944 or 45. They were able to repulse Mao's liberation forces after the war because of superior technology given by Truman, not because they were heroes.
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That is NOT "bankrolling" a war or a nation. Nothing like what we're giving Ukraine now.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:20 pmYou really don't know?old salt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:04 pm "bankrolled him". We gave limited aid (mostly non-financial), tied to his war effort vs Iran. If we were "bankroll"-ing him, he would not have had a reason to invade Kuwait. Our failure was diplomatic, in not getting the other Arab states to help "bankroll" his war vs Iran.
https://adst.org/2016/09/sparking-iraqs ... il-access/
We bankrolled both Iran and Iraq. Money. Arms. Intel. Training. All of it. And the aid waxed and waned according to Reagan and Bush's choices.
"Saddam Hussein got the equipment that the State Department wanted him to have," he said.
It was "U.S. foreign policy to assist the regime of Saddam Hussein," he added.
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/26/worl ... -iran.html
And then more with Bush in charge.
The policy of helping Hussein was conceived in the Ronald Reagan Administration to prop up Hussein in his long war with Iran and thus slow the spread of radical Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East.
But the policy--and Bush’s repeated personal involvement--continued well beyond the end of the Iran-Iraq war, which was concluded in the summer of 1988. And it did more than enable Hussein to survive: It helped him assemble the war machine that soon became a threat to his neighbors and to vital U.S. interests in the oil-rich Persian Gulf.
Earlier in the month, President Bush had signed a secret national security directive ordering closer ties with Iraq and the Administration wanted to give Hussein’s regime $1 billion in new financial aid, using an Agriculture Department loan-guarantee program to do it. But program officials were balking--saying that Iraq would never repay the money. And a potential scandal was brewing over irregularities in past loans to Baghdad.
The new loans, pushed through at a time when U.S. intelligence reports indicated Hussein was spending heavily on developing nuclear weapons, were used by a credit-starved Iraq to feed its people, freeing up its cash reserves to finance the massive arms buildup that ended in war with the United States. The Bush Administration, apparently failing to understand the Iraqi dictator’s intentions, indirectly helped pay for weapons that were ultimately used against American and allied troops.
Whoops.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
How much in loans actually went through ? 1 billion $ ?
That was money well spent if it was used to fight the Iranians.
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Your comments display an absolute ignorance about the human rights violations currently being committed by China.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:10 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:11 pm
Did we take Afghanistan's land, capital???
Bad deal, if so...
Nope, the government in China doesn't give a hoot about "democracy" nor do they care about the human rights and freedoms we take for granted in the West.
And nope, the current rulers of China, the Communist Party of China (CPC), never controlled Taiwan. They control the People's Republic of China (PRC).
Taiwan is occupied by those who lost the battle to control mainland China, who fled to Taiwan and took it from the Japanese. They called it the Republic of China (ROC) Up until 1971, the Taiwan government (ROC) was still recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate ruler of "China", not the CPC...though that was clearly not accurate. In 1971, they lost their seat to the CPC...but then have become recognized as Taiwan...
No fully clean hands, but Taiwan is independent and has been for many decades. Both PRC and ROC claim the legitimacy of rule over the other's territory.
Our ongoing policy is to recognize and respect both, though our democratic ally is Taiwan.
Your Spanish etc argument is irrelevant to this issue and history...argue it on another thread.
Take Afghanistan's land? Only for 20 years. Yeah, a bad move indeed. And then the puppet dictator runs off with over $100 million stashed in his luggage.
China's government doesn't give a hoot about freedom and human rights? How does its record compare to the number of incidents involving the thousands of George Floyds and the like who are either dead or rotting in jail? In the past I've posted numerous links to selective enforcement of the law and other injustices that are ethnically/racially based so you know all about that already and I need not repeat myself here.
It is true that the UN recognized Chiang's pro West puppet regime. That's what a few dollars under the table does for you. Eventually the truth came out and it decided to go with the wishes of China's majority population. I am no expert on China's modern history but am aware that Chiang and Mao signed an alliance accord in order to fight off fascist Japanese imperialists. However, so far as I know there was no provision in that accord to recognize any right to secession. On that basis,Taiwan's unilateral secession claim is without valid basis. Since the UN and the rest of the world refused to recognize Catalunya's secession then as a matter of principle it must also refuse to recognize Taiwan's claim. Without consistency there is no valid principle. It must apply the same standards at all times. Return Taiwan to the Beijing at once.
China has been accused of committing crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against the Uyghur population and other mostly-Muslim ethnic groups in the north-western region of Xinjiang.
Human rights groups believe China has detained more than one million Uyghurs against their will over the past few years in a large network of what the state calls "re-education camps", and sentenced hundreds of thousands to prison terms.
A series of police files obtained by the BBC in 2022 has revealed details of China's use of these camps and described the routine use of armed officers and the existence of a shoot-to-kill policy for those trying to escape.
The US is among several countries to have previously accused China of committing genocide in Xinjiang. The leading human rights groups Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have published reports accusing China of crimes against humanity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037.amp
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Doc acts as if he moans over China's detention of one million Uyghurs but doesn't give a shttt about one million dead Afghanis and Iraqis at the hands of traitor Bush. Yup, same old double standards.
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I doubt you will find anyone here who considers me a supporter of W.
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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:22 pmI doubt you will find anyone here who considers me a supporter of W.
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Recall that the traitor said you're either with him or against him. I'm against him and the entire pro war crowd.
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I think you've established that.Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:54 pmDocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:22 pmI doubt you will find anyone here who considers me a supporter of W.
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Recall that the traitor said you're either with him or against him. I'm against him and the entire pro war crowd.
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As it says in the Bible, blessed are the Peace makers for they shall be called the Children of God.
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An Emerging American-Led Economic Alliance in Asia
Under President Biden’s leadership, the United States is building an emerging economic alliance in Asia that is clearly intended to contain the clear and present danger represented by an aggressively militant China.
First, there is the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Properity, which includes 13 nations in addition to the United States (Fiji joined a few days after the initial announcement).
We, the United States, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, India, Indonesia, Japan, Republic of Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam of the Indo-Pacific region, acknowledge the richness and the diversity of our vibrant regional economy. We share a commitment to a free, open, fair, inclusive, interconnected, resilient, secure, and prosperous Indo-Pacific region that has the potential to achieve sustainable and inclusive economic growth. We acknowledge our economic policy interests in the region are intertwined, and deepening economic engagement among partners is crucial for continued growth, peace, and prosperity.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... rosperity/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... rosperity/
In addition to those nations, Taiwan was made part of a second economic alliance with the United States, the U.S.-Taiwan Initiative on 21st-Century Trade. Taiwan is the 8th largest trade partner of the United States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/busi ... talks.html
Notably absent from the list are the nations of Myanmar (led by a murderous military junta), Cambodia & Laos (traditional allies of China), and China.
This is an economic alliance that Biden is building, but it must be remembered that nearly half of the participating nations have some sort mutual defense arrangement with the United States (Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Australia, and New Zealand).
All of those nations see what some on this forum ( ) refuse to see … an increasingly militant, nationalistic, and aggressive China poses a potentially catastrophic threat to peace, security, and prosperity in the region.
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First, there is the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Properity, which includes 13 nations in addition to the United States (Fiji joined a few days after the initial announcement).
We, the United States, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, India, Indonesia, Japan, Republic of Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam of the Indo-Pacific region, acknowledge the richness and the diversity of our vibrant regional economy. We share a commitment to a free, open, fair, inclusive, interconnected, resilient, secure, and prosperous Indo-Pacific region that has the potential to achieve sustainable and inclusive economic growth. We acknowledge our economic policy interests in the region are intertwined, and deepening economic engagement among partners is crucial for continued growth, peace, and prosperity.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... rosperity/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... rosperity/
In addition to those nations, Taiwan was made part of a second economic alliance with the United States, the U.S.-Taiwan Initiative on 21st-Century Trade. Taiwan is the 8th largest trade partner of the United States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/busi ... talks.html
Notably absent from the list are the nations of Myanmar (led by a murderous military junta), Cambodia & Laos (traditional allies of China), and China.
This is an economic alliance that Biden is building, but it must be remembered that nearly half of the participating nations have some sort mutual defense arrangement with the United States (Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Thailand, Australia, and New Zealand).
All of those nations see what some on this forum ( ) refuse to see … an increasingly militant, nationalistic, and aggressive China poses a potentially catastrophic threat to peace, security, and prosperity in the region.
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All those deals listed above appear to have an anti-Western bias. Taiwan needs to renounce its treaties with the colonialist West, in particular with the USA imperialists, and to re-join with the Mother Ship in Beijing. They will likely have even greater prosperity and be free from conflict. Those Yankee imperialists who are seeking to make war profits will then have to create a war in some other region. Leave the people of China to their own devices.
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Re: All Things China
It's been fun doing a "let them fight" thing with you and Doc... but...Brooklyn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:53 am All those deals listed above appear to have an anti-Western bias. Taiwan needs to renounce its treaties with the colonialist West, in particular with the USA imperialists, and to re-join with the Mother Ship in Beijing. They will likely have even greater prosperity and be free from conflict. Those Yankee imperialists who are seeking to make war profits will then have to create a war in some other region. Leave the people of China to their own devices.
This is super weird dude.