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After the early goal, England sat back too much, didn't really go for the second until after Italy had scored, but then Italy had the momentum. And then penalties, oh penalties... not only in semi-finals against Germany in 1990 and 1996, but then against Argentina in France 1998. Oh well, it's only a game, it's only a game: if I say it enough, maybe I'll believe it...
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Had I been the Brit coach I would've sent the older, more experienced players in the penalty box for those PK's. In any case, it was a great series and great finale.
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Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
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Article on the aftermath:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/worl ... mbo-cutoff

"England wrapped its arms around its national soccer team the morning after its history-making run ended in heartbreaking defeat. But an ugly eruption of racist gibes against some of its young Black players was a reminder that not everyone glories in the diverse portrait of the country that this team reflects.

London’s Metropolitan Police said on Monday that they would investigate “offensive and racist social media comments being directed towards footballers,” following the game, which England lost to Italy after three players — Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Bukayo Saka — missed penalty kicks.

The three players, who are Black, are among the youngest members of a youthful team that had captured the national imagination over the last four weeks as it swept into the final game of the European soccer championship, England’s first crack at victory in a major tournament in 55 years.

The racist attacks, the likes of which have plagued European soccer for years, drew immediate condemnation from leaders including Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Prince William, Queen Elizabeth’s grandson, who is president of England’s Football Association.

“This England team deserve to be lauded as heroes, not racially abused on social media,” Mr. Johnson declared on Twitter. “Those responsible for this appalling abuse should be ashamed of themselves.”

Others called on Twitter and Instagram to crack down on the use of their platforms to traffic in racist language and tropes. Some pointed out that the England players had made campaigning for a more just and equitable society a central part of their message, kneeling before games to protest racial injustice.

“This is why we take the knee,” David Lammy, a Labour Party member of Parliament who is Black, said on Twitter. “Praying for a better future — worthy of the values, beauty and respect exemplified by every single England player.”

In another era, this kind of loss — so numbingly familiar to England’s long-suffering fans — might have stoked a round of recrimination beyond the recesses of social media. But the British newspapers were united in their support, focusing on the team’s inspiring run as much as its spirit-crushing defeat.

“It hurts … but we’re so proud of you,” said The Daily Express. “Pride of Lions,” said The Sun, playing off the nickname derived from the team’s emblem, the Three Lions. “It all ends in tears,” said The Daily Mail, which, like its rivals, ran a full-page photo of the manager, Gareth Southgate, consoling a distraught Mr. Saka after Italy’s goalkeeper saved his kick.

Mr. Southgate shouldered the responsibility for the loss, saying he made the substitutions that sent two of the young players on to the field only minutes before the end of extra time to face the immense pressure of a penalty shootout.

“We decided to make the changes near the end of the game, and we win and lose together as a team,” he said to the broadcaster ITV. “That was the order that we came to. But that’s my call.”

For Mr. Southgate, it was a hauntingly familiar denouement. In 1996, as a player on the England team, he missed a fateful penalty kick against Germany in the semifinal of the European championship. His misfortune took its place in a litany of near misses, early exits and blown chances that have bedeviled England.

There were other reminders of the rougher side of England’s soccer history. Two hours before the game, as excitement outside Wembley Stadium built to a fever pitch, hundreds of people breached a security barrier and squeezed through turnstiles without tickets.

Security guards and police, some on horseback, tried to hold back the crowd but appeared powerless to stop them from swarming the grounds. It was another cause of criticism for a police department that has come under fire recently for a series of tactical blunders and questionable conduct.

“There was a breach of security at Wembley Stadium, which resulted in a small number of people getting into the stadium without a ticket,” a spokesman for the police acknowledged, after the stadium authorities initially denied it had happened.

During the second half, a spectator ran out on to the field and had to be tackled by four security guards before he was escorted off the turf. Earlier, during the playing of Italy’s national anthem, there was booing in the crowd — a nationalistic display that has marred several games played in London.

To some public-health experts, the 60,000-plus people who packed Wembley looked like a potential superspreader event, at a time when Britain is already reporting more than 30,000 new coronavirus cases a day.

In the cold aftermath of the loss, Mr. Johnson prepared to tell the country on Monday that while the government was moving ahead with plans to lift most of the remaining restrictions on July 19, it would urge, but not require, people to keep wearing face masks in confined spaces like buses and subways.

For much of the country, England’s performance in the tournament was a unifying event — a much-needed balm after 16 months of lockdowns and four and a half years of bickering over Brexit. From Mr. Johnson to the queen, the team drew expressions of support, excitement and pure delight.

Yet its players, who have used their fame to stake out political positions, have also aroused mixed emotions — and not just among the racist subculture lurking online. Mr. Johnson’s home secretary, Priti Patel, refused to condemn people for booing them when the team kneels before games.

Lee Anderson, a Conservative member of Parliament who was elected in 2019 in a wave of pro-Brexit support for Mr. Johnson’s party, vowed not to watch England games as long as the players knelt, which they did again on Sunday, joined by the Italian team.

“I’m a massive England supporter, I made a statement, I stick to my words,” he said to the conservative news channel GB News. “I’m not going to watch the game but I’m going to support the team.”

Mr. Rashford, a British-born Manchester United forward of Caribbean heritage, led a campaign that forced Mr. Johnson to reverse course on a plan to suspend free lunches for children of poor families during the pandemic. After the game, some on social media urged Mr. Rashford to focus on penalty kicks, not politics.

Mr. Southgate, however, has been unstinting in his support of his socially minded players. In a “Dear England” letter published on a sports website last month, he wrote that young people would inevitably have a different view of being English than people of his generation.

“On this island, we have a desire to protect our values and traditions — as we should — but that shouldn’t come at the expense of introspection and progress,” Mr. Southgate said. “It’s clear to me that we are heading for a much more tolerant and understanding society, and I know our lads will be a big part of that.”
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Wow. All that racist abuse. Things in England are almost as bad as they are here in the USA. Thankfully, the cops didn't go around clubbing or killing certain people like they do here. Good that the coach owned up to it as this takes pressure off the players. One thing's for sure ~ this will likely prep up the team for the World Cup series which, I believe, will be on next year.
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Marcus Rashford mural vandalised with racist graffiti, police say

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer ... d=msedgntp


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Graffiti — which Greater Manchester Police (GMP) described as “racially aggravated” — appeared on the artwork, in Withington, Manchester, after the match.

It was not immediately clear what was written but a local man, Ed Wellard, was pictured covering up the words with bin liners.

GMP said it would be working alongside Manchester City Council and Akse, the street artist who created the powerful image of the Manchester United and England striker, “to ensure this graffiti is removed and the mural is repaired as soon as possible”.

Officers added in a statement they were alerted to the damage at about 2.50am on Monday.

Ch Supt Paul Savill, of GMP’s City of Manchester division, branded the act “disgraceful” and said it “will absolutely not be tolerated”.



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With Argentina winning on Saturday and Italy on Sunday, it just begs for an Argentina-Italy game this coming Sunday...
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FannOlax, you out there?

I wondered what your impression and opinion of the PK lineup that Southgate put up? My (rudimentary) understanding is that you like to start out with good reliable shooters to put pressure on the responding team? Did Gareth err when he put the youngsters in the hot spots at the end?

I cannot imagine my 19 or 20 year old self in that position. Really heartbreaking.
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seacoaster wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am FannOlax, you out there?

I wondered what your impression and opinion of the PK lineup that Southgate put up? My (rudimentary) understanding is that you like to start out with good reliable shooters to put pressure on the responding team? Did Gareth err when he put the youngsters in the hot spots at the end?

I cannot imagine my 19 or 20 year old self in that position. Really heartbreaking.
Yes, I'm here. Gareth Southgate accepted full responsibility; and well, I suppose the results speak for themselves. The press has reported that Sancho, Rshaford and Saka had been terrific penalty takers in practice; but, of course, the pressure is different during the culminating moments of a cup final. It was very odd the way Rashford came on and had to play left back; that could have lost the game before penalties. So, yes, that part was an error, as having to play left back must have been very stressful on Rashford (who didn't force a save from the goalie). Sterling carried England on his back early in the tourney, scoring goals and showing he could handle pressure well; I was very surprised that he wasn't among the penalty takers. Kane and Maguire did their jobs very well, but after that, well, hindsight is 20/20. Credit to the Italian goalie. That early goal rocked Italy, gave England all the momentum; I thought England could have scored another goal or two in the first half, but seemed too content with that one-goal lead.
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FannOLax wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:50 am
seacoaster wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:01 am FannOlax, you out there?

I wondered what your impression and opinion of the PK lineup that Southgate put up? My (rudimentary) understanding is that you like to start out with good reliable shooters to put pressure on the responding team? Did Gareth err when he put the youngsters in the hot spots at the end?

I cannot imagine my 19 or 20 year old self in that position. Really heartbreaking.
Yes, I'm here. Gareth Southgate accepted full responsibility; and well, I suppose the results speak for themselves. The press has reported that Sancho, Rshaford and Saka had been terrific penalty takers in practice; but, of course, the pressure is different during the culminating moments of a cup final. It was very odd the way Rashford came on and had to play left back; that could have lost the game before penalties. So, yes, that part was an error, as having to play left back must have been very stressful on Rashford (who didn't force a save from the goalie). Sterling carried England on his back early in the tourney, scoring goals and showing he could handle pressure well; I was very surprised that he wasn't among the penalty takers. Kane and Maguire did their jobs very well, but after that, well, hindsight is 20/20. Credit to the Italian goalie. That early goal rocked Italy, gave England all the momentum; I thought England could have scored another goal or two in the first half, but seemed too content with that one-goal lead.
Thanks. Cannot wait for the World Cup, and hope this pretty young England squad stay together. Forza Italia!
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Takes from some local lads filling in for the regulars on the Euro Final. I don't watch soccer but the conversation had some interesting moments.

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Entertaining, but in the end, these guys are part of the troop of guys in their mid 30s and 40s going to seed, and still having the hubris and stupidity to think it is easy canning a PK against a world class goalie with 64,000 fans in the stadium and whole continents of people breathlessly watching. Sports radio is sometimes fun, but it never really connects with sports on the field.

Having said that, I loathe watching games like this decided by PKs; it's awful. In tennis (I know, I am reaching out here) there is no tiebreaker in the fifth set? These footballers are perhaps the best conditioned humans on the planet. Maybe the Final of a tournament like this is the time to let them play until someone scores a goal in the flow of play and time runs out with one team winning.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:47 pm ...I loathe watching games like this decided by PKs; it's awful. In tennis (I know, I am reaching out here) there is no tiebreaker in the fifth set? These footballers are perhaps the best conditioned humans on the planet. Maybe the Final of a tournament like this is the time to let them play until someone scores a goal in the flow of play and time runs out with one team winning.
Wimbledon has no fifth-set tie-breaker, but the U.S. Open does (I'm not sure about the French and Australian Opens). I don't like PK deciders either. For many, many decades, if the score was still tied after extra time of an FA Cup Final, there would be a replay, an entirely new game several days later (if you want to see a terrific game, find the 1981 F.A. Cup Final replay on YouTube; it's there); that would be my solution, but I suppose that's got an ice cube's chance in Tucson...In the old NASL, instead of penalty kicks, they had a series of players starting at the 35 yard line (which was the line where offisde started instead of the center stripe), allowed to dribble, etc, going one-on-one against the goalie; I think that was more interesting than penalties. Maybe allow some additional substitutions and, as Seacoaster suggests, play until a goal is scored? That would be my preferred method (well, after replaying games).
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I've run a youth soccer league for a long time now and during the play-offs, when a game is tied after regular time, we play overtime except, every 1 to 2 to 3 minutes or so (you need to read the game to decide), we remove a player from each team. Eventually it's 6 vs. 6, 5 vs. 5, 4 vs. 4, etc. until it's 2 vs. 2 and then we don't go lower than that. It's pretty exciting and a goal happens...
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Matnum PI wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:37 pm I've run a youth soccer league for a long time now and during the play-offs, when a game is tied after regular time, we play overtime except, every 1 to 2 to 3 minutes or so (you need to read the game to decide), we remove a player from each team. Eventually it's 6 vs. 6, 5 vs. 5, 4 vs. 4, etc. until it's 2 vs. 2 and then we don't go lower than that. It's pretty exciting and a goal happens...
I coach a youth soccer team and our league resolves playoff game ties with penalty kicks. So, once a year we practice penalty kicks - without a keeper.

First, I have my keeper stand on his line and extend his arms. Then about five feet from each arm I stick a corner flag on the goal line. That leaves about 4 feet between the flag and the post. The goalie is removed. The players are instructed to take the ball in their arms and place it on the spot where they're comfortable taking a firm strike. The players are told to look at each corner once, make a choice and then do not look at either the keeper or the corner again but rather the ball. The player is told to strike the ball firmly at the chosen corner between the flag and the post. The success rate is always high. This works remarkably well at relieving the young player's stress in the moment and building confidence in their ability to convert the opportunity. We've won a few games with penalty kicks. In fact, among my 16 players, I usually can find 5 that can convert. And, we always choose second.
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FannOLax wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:20 pm Wimbledon has no fifth-set tie-breaker, but the U.S. Open does (I'm not sure about the French and Australian Opens).
Australian, Wimbledon and US Open all have 5th set tie-breakers. The French Open has none.
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It just seems like the longer a match/game goes, especially in tennis, the more the chance of injury occurs. Not to mention, what will that player have left in the tank when they have to play again in 48 hours or less. Same with teams, say in hockey, that play 3, 4, 5 overtime periods in the playoffs. What do they have left for the next game? I think the play gets more ragged/subpar. I don't know if anyone watched the youtube clip of the sports talk show, but one of the co-hosts said soccer players are gassed during extra time and don't do a whole lot more than hold on for PK's. I don't know if anyone agrees with that or not.
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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:47 pmsoccer players are gassed during extra time and don't do a whole lot more than hold on for PK's. I don't know if anyone agrees with that or not.
Not always but relatively often. And that was the case this past Sunday.
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USA > Canada 1-0 in CONCACAF


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Shaquell Moore scored the quick winner in less than a minute versus the Canadians who hadn't warmed up quite enough. While our Yanks controlled the ball for the majority of the time in first half, the visitors largely controlled possession in the second. Yanks seemed to wilt in the heat and unnecessarily gave up possession far too often. Thankfully, goalie Matt Turner bailed them out more than once.

Coach Gregg Berhalter needs to strengthen the midfield. Canada dominated the neutral zone thereby enabling some easy SOGs and keeping the home team from attacking the goal. Glad we won but am not entirely satisfied with how things turned out.
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