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Re: A MOD Free World

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For the people who feel like someone should step in to the 'A MOD Free World' thread, all I see is people espousing political views that others adamantly disagree with coupled with a back-and-forth volley of personal attacks.

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With this said...
1- I had a thought a little while back where certain forums should come with a warning label or something. e.g. You will leave this forum all but certainly hating someone within the discussion. Then, someone enters the discussion, walks away saying, That guy is awful, and we can say, Didn't you read the warning label?
2- Then there'd be a different forum which has a "This forum is for discussing stuff, not each other. No personal attacks." warning label. then, when whoever posts that whomever is a racist misogynist and whomever posts that whoever is a liberal fool, no one can complain when they're banned from that forum. (Just from that forum, not from all forums.) The person/people creating the forum/thread just need to say upfront what their expectations are.
3- Continually attacking people, even if there isn't a "No personal attacks" label, strikes me as a problem. When the personal attacks are a back-and-forth volley, it's harder to point a finger. but when the personal attacks are one-sided, I dunno. Not a threat or otherwise. just a sincere, I don't know.
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Re: A MOD Free World

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Posted a link to this elsewhere but want to keep all these in one place so I/we can have a record of where and what we need to look at re: Post Guidelines:

I agree that posts shouldn't be deleted and people shouldn't be banned if it "doesn't fit a particular mods mood", "contrarian to the mods viewpoints", etc.. Similarly, the rules should be equal for all. i.e. No posters should have "a longer leash than others". I could add more quotes and sentiments but... We're all on this thread. We get the idea. And whether these accusations are true or not, I think we all wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed within this thread. But I have to say, one thing is running up my spine that I think should be a forum rule. at least some iteration of this as a forum rule...

Personal attacks seem off to me. I'm unsure about "Coach Petro sucks!". If for no other reason because it's so general and it's a public personality. But "You can't believe HooDat (I only picked you because you're the first name I saw on the page) because he's a total liar. I remember when etc." is very different. That someone is being attacked irks me. that people are discussing people and not subjects, issues, etc. irks me. But that HooDat or whoever is less likely to come to our forum because someone is trashing him, that more than irks me. (In the name of transparency, I edited a post. Changed persons-name to "the moderators".) Anyway, need to go take a look but I think this is similar to my last comment. Something about personal attacks. anyway, i type this for transparency's sake and to document our evolution towards creating some semblance of forum guidelines.

[Just looked. #2 and #3 below. except i'm feeling more strongly that maybe it should be a forum wide policy. not just for certain threads.]
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Re: A MOD Free World

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admin wrote:Posted a link to this elsewhere but want to keep all these in one place so I/we can have a record of where and what we need to look at re: Post Guidelines:

I agree that posts shouldn't be deleted and people shouldn't be banned if it "doesn't fit a particular mods mood", "contrarian to the mods viewpoints", etc.. Similarly, the rules should be equal for all. i.e. No posters should have "a longer leash than others". I could add more quotes and sentiments but... We're all on this thread. We get the idea. And whether these accusations are true or not, I think we all wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed within this thread. But I have to say, one thing is running up my spine that I think should be a forum rule. at least some iteration of this as a forum rule...

Personal attacks seem off to me. I'm unsure about "Coach Petro sucks!". If for no other reason because it's so general and it's a public personality. But "You can't believe HooDat (I only picked you because you're the first name I saw on the page) because he's a total liar. I remember when etc." is very different. That someone is being attacked irks me. that people are discussing people and not subjects, issues, etc. irks me. But that HooDat or whoever is less likely to come to our forum because someone is trashing him, that more than irks me. (In the name of transparency, I edited a post. Changed persons-name to "the moderators".) Anyway, need to go take a look but I think this is similar to my last comment. Something about personal attacks. anyway, i type this for transparency's sake and to document our evolution towards creating some semblance of forum guidelines.

[Just looked. #2 and #3 below. except i'm feeling more strongly that maybe it should be a forum wide policy. not just for certain threads.]
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While golfing yesterday (should be TODAY) , was thinking about how to set up a thread that debating a particular issue was a must. Issue of the week, so to speak. IE: I challenged many posters to find POSITIVE news articles about Trump. Apparently they couldn't. Taciturn posters like bandito don't respond to many, if not all, direct questions. He would not be allowed to participate in the thread if not agreeing to the debate threads terms. (Only that thread) Nothing different that occurs in debate clubs, where you have to defend an argument that you may not necessarily agree with. Where you actually have to do some research. Sad idea, I know, but why anyone replies to someone like bandito who calls you idiotic names is beyond me. But, it really isn't surprising either. Folks consider discourse to be opposite viewpoints.

Also, have a word count, if you can't say what you have to say withing 200 words......
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runrussellrun wrote:
admin wrote:Posted a link to this elsewhere but want to keep all these in one place so I/we can have a record of where and what we need to look at re: Post Guidelines:

I agree that posts shouldn't be deleted and people shouldn't be banned if it "doesn't fit a particular mods mood", "contrarian to the mods viewpoints", etc.. Similarly, the rules should be equal for all. i.e. No posters should have "a longer leash than others". I could add more quotes and sentiments but... We're all on this thread. We get the idea. And whether these accusations are true or not, I think we all wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed within this thread. But I have to say, one thing is running up my spine that I think should be a forum rule. at least some iteration of this as a forum rule...

Personal attacks seem off to me. I'm unsure about "Coach Petro sucks!". If for no other reason because it's so general and it's a public personality. But "You can't believe HooDat (I only picked you because you're the first name I saw on the page) because he's a total liar. I remember when etc." is very different. That someone is being attacked irks me. that people are discussing people and not subjects, issues, etc. irks me. But that HooDat or whoever is less likely to come to our forum because someone is trashing him, that more than irks me. (In the name of transparency, I edited a post. Changed persons-name to "the moderators".) Anyway, need to go take a look but I think this is similar to my last comment. Something about personal attacks. anyway, i type this for transparency's sake and to document our evolution towards creating some semblance of forum guidelines.

[Just looked. #2 and #3 below. except i'm feeling more strongly that maybe it should be a forum wide policy. not just for certain threads.]
I want rights, those are MY quotes. :D

While golfing yesterday (should be TODAY) , was thinking about how to set up a thread that debating a particular issue was a must. Issue of the week, so to speak. IE: I challenged many posters to find POSITIVE news articles about Trump. Apparently they couldn't. Taciturn posters like bandito don't respond to many, if not all, direct questions. He would not be allowed to participate in the thread if not agreeing to the debate threads terms. (Only that thread) Nothing different that occurs in debate clubs, where you have to defend an argument that you may not necessarily agree with. Where you actually have to do some research. Sad idea, I know, but why anyone replies to someone like bandito who calls you idiotic names is beyond me. But, it really isn't surprising either. Folks consider discourse to be opposite viewpoints.

Also, have a word count, if you can't say what you have to say withing 200 words......
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runrussellrun wrote:was thinking about how to set up a thread that debating a particular issue was a must. Issue of the week, so to speak.
I like it. Once the website is set, we could even highlight it on the homepage. especially on slow days.
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Two more issues float to the surface:

1- Profanity. Thus far, there's been limited profanity but it exists. One user suggested we should make sure the profanity is confronted for the benefit of youngsters who frequent the site. I want to add to this list, non-youngster who want to peruse FanLax without seeing profanity. I agree that profanity shouldn't be ignored as a forum moderation issue. with this said, the profanity is all within one forum... Politics.

2- Avoiding Politics - If I'm at FanLax to find Loyola's Fall Ball schedule, why should I have to read about Trump? One could argue that if the Greyhounds' thread goes off topic in any way, the post(s) should be removed. But I think we need to recognize that a mention of Ryan Gosling within the thread is very different than a mention of Dick Cheney.

The reoccurring issue is... Politics. Within FanLax, Politics needs it's own space. should profanity be removed from lacrosse threads? i think so. should profanity be removed from the political threads? TBD.
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How do you feel about the word twerp? It seems to be a relatively mild word compared to the stuff the WYWJ spews. I ask you how does one define PROFANITY? And why do you allow any person, even one who refers to themselves as a MODERATOR emeritus, to issue admonitions yet refuses to not only answer questions but writes JEEZ to folks that demonstrate a judicious use of the FOE button? Is that guy protecting a favored poster?
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admin wrote:Two more issues float to the surface:

1- Profanity. Thus far, there's been limited profanity but it exists. One user suggested we should make sure the profanity is confronted for the benefit of youngsters who frequent the site. I want to add to this list, non-youngster who want to peruse FanLax without seeing profanity. I agree that profanity shouldn't be ignored as a forum moderation issue. with this said, the profanity is all within one forum... Politics.

2- Avoiding Politics - If I'm at FanLax to find Loyola's Fall Ball schedule, why should I have to read about Trump? One could argue that if the Greyhounds' thread goes off topic in any way, the post(s) should be removed. But I think we need to recognize that a mention of Ryan Gosling within the thread is very different than a mention of Dick Cheney.

The reoccurring issue is... Politics. Within FanLax, Politics needs it's own space. should profanity be removed from lacrosse threads? i think so. should profanity be removed from the political threads? TBD.
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2. I recognize that it is a heavy burden on the mods (and maybe more than they want to bear), but I would support them if they trimmed gratuitous insertion of politics in lax thread. It would be nice if the mods shared their edits with the poster.
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1. 44, per your request, in terms of being transparent about edits, i moved wombat's most recent post within this thread to the Politics "A Mod Free World" thread.
2. I've yet to go to a party where the owner of the house posts rules. Maybe in HS someone would scream, Fellas! Shhhhh! My neighbors will call the cops! or something similar. But even then, it was a general request. occassionally someone would be sick and you'd escort him out of the house. but there wasn't a no puking rule. It was obvious.
3. With this said, several guests have expressed an annoyance in having their discussions interrupted by a person/people inserting Trump and other politically provocative stuff into conversations. So I express this and use Dick Cheney as an example and this person posts "the previous Moderator is chuckling somewhere" and a picture of dick cheney saying, Miss me yet? this is the same person who's posted that FanLax is a mod-free world.
4. While FanLax is not Laxpower, it's also not a "Mod Free World". The question is, when do you throw a guy out of the party? I think the answer is, When enough people or the the owner of the house gets sick enough of him. But i'm open to opinions.
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I may not be the best one to comment on this as I have never posted on politics on LP, never posted in the Water Cooler and only rarely perused it. FWIW though I have always been confused by the need some people felt to come on to a lacrosse website (for many, many years THE lacrosse website) and talk politics. There are dozens and dozens of politics blogs you can go to and post and curse each other to your hearts contents. They probably even have "forbidden" emojis you can use where they are garroting each other. For Fanlax, I don't like heavy handed moderating but I do think it should vary by forum. In the General Chatter or Politics I favor an if not anything then at least most things goes, excluding obviously personal threats, doxxing etc. Curse away if you want though if, as the defenders of a free-for-all model advocate, everyone here is old and no kids or parents of high schoolers come on then I don't see why then anyone would need to be curse shouting like a 15yr old. In the actual lacrosse forums though I don't think it is too much to ask to have a rule excluding a few words. I am certainly no prude and have made a few inappropriate posts in my day but there really is just no need. In addition, one of the things I liked most about LP was the rule against personal attacks on kids. For high schoolers, when called out by name it really should only be positive unless it is something truly egregious like fighting. For college, I am fine with saying a play was dumb, idiotic, moronic etc but there still is no need to say that the player himself is an idiot or a moron. For coaches, have at them. If you want to call Petro a stupid, moronic troglodyte because of his insistence on recruiting SSDM who are smurfs, go for it! There shouldn't be a need though to say f*ck Petro. my 2c
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Learned a new word, dox.

Seems to me that we have three categories:
1- Some forums need a **warning**. If you go in their and get personally attacked because you think all Americans should have access to healthcare, it's your own fault. You should've discussed healthcare in this forum, not that forum.
2- On the other end of the spectrum, we need to make sure that all discussions within the HS Forums are free of profanity and protect the coaches, players, parents, and fans. HS Boys and Girls is where we're not so laissez faire.
3- Everything else is in between. Speak as you'd speak in the home of someone you recently met. Petro sucks. Even Petro freakin' sucks. But not Petro f#$%ing sucks.

Makes sense?
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Sounds good to me. And as someone who has absolutely nothing to do with JHU, I nominate Petro as the example for all theoretical uses of profanity.
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Oh, also Tierrny.
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Created a NO HOLDS BARRED forum and... Let's see what happens. One, it'll be fun. There should be a place where people can post things they can't post elsewhere. There'll be a line. But we haven't approached that line yet. And two, this is where I can move threads that should be moved. This'll include personal attacks.
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"Hamsterdam"??? Wut up WIT DAT??

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admin wrote:Hamsterdam
Perfect! i LIKE it!!

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Found a TV show I like, wanted to post it and... the Trailer had 2 questionable (though I'd deem them innocuous) words within it. The idea that I simply can't post it strikes me as ridiculous. With this said, I didn't feel comfortable posting it. Thus... Posted it in Hamsterdam. :) Hamsterdam makes sense to me.
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I am guessing I know who wanted a mod-free world, yet was just subjected to a post that calls out for some judicious moderation.
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I think a lot of people wanted a mod-free world. It happened because we can come up with a better system than having hall monitors.
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