Piatelli is a baller.
How many kids from the ISL, ans when will stuff come out, make AA this year?
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Same sword they knight you they gon' good night you with
Thats' only half if they like you
That ain't even the half what they might do
Don't believe me, ask Michael
See Martin, Malcolm
See Jesus, Judas; Caesar, Brutus
See success is like suicide
Thats' only half if they like you
That ain't even the half what they might do
Don't believe me, ask Michael
See Martin, Malcolm
See Jesus, Judas; Caesar, Brutus
See success is like suicide
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Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 10:51 am Congrats to Cornell's John Piatelli (Seb's 2017) on tying the Cornell single season record for goals. He has the chance to set the mark in the title game on Monday. Though more common than before it's still a bit rare to see MA born and bred attackmen lighting it up for upper echelon D1. Piatelli doing it for a blue blood in their best season in a decade is impressive.
He definitely has a bit of a throwback style, with a commitment to fundamentals that would bring a smile to the face of the saltiest of old school coaches. It makes sense as he's watched/helped his dad coach hundreds, probably thousands, of clinics and practices. His highlight tape would be a bit boring, but very long.
Wonderful player. Most successful MA attack native since Max Q? Would leave that to MA experts but what a run he and Cornell have had.
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Heard just 3 AA for the ISL. I could be wrong. The senior from Tabor is a lock. So, 2 more.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 12:27 pm Piatelli is a baller.
How many kids from the ISL, ans when will stuff come out, make AA this year?
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It is a bit jarring when you compare it to the length emass publics AA list every year, but I think it's based on the number of teams in a league/association. I like that it's a hard award to get it. The league more than makes up for it by naming 30 kids All-ISL and another 50 honorable mention.
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I believe it is 1AA for every 8 teams...NE West is similar with 3 AA's...EMASS is it sown creation correct? not USILA AA's.....
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https://www.nepsac.org/page/hot_news/2831/view/636
Coaching award for Coach White from Seb's. The teacher/coach model can be hard to maintain when you're trying to have a high-level program, but Seb's has found a good one. Hopefully they can keep him around for awhile.
Coaching award for Coach White from Seb's. The teacher/coach model can be hard to maintain when you're trying to have a high-level program, but Seb's has found a good one. Hopefully they can keep him around for awhile.
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Heard the All ISL list is out. Anyone have a link or information? TIA.
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All ISL etc. below.
R. Jeffrey Parker Memorial Sportsmanship Award
Brooks School
Coach of the Year
Tucker Sampson, Governor's
Player of the Year
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor (Richmond)
All-American
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor
Chad Palumbo, sr., Noble and Greenough (Princeton)
Tom Goguen, sr., Belmont Hill (Dartmouth)
Academic All-American
Adam Figler, sr., Belmont Hill (Williams)
Andrew Hahm, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Amherst)
Jack Ehrgott, sr., Groton
All ISL
Attack
Jack Pappendick, sr., BB&N (Duke)
Adam Figler, sr., Belmont Hill
Chad Palumbo, sr., Noble and Greenough
Grayson McClements, jr., Noble and Greenough (Penn commit)
Evan O’Neil, soph., Tabor
Jack Taylor, sr., Lawrence (Jacksonville)
Tim Evnin, sr., St. George’s (Hobart)
Midfield
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor
Rex Mabbs, sr., Middlesex (Swarthmore)
Aidan Maguire, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Duke)
Pearse MacDonald, jr., Governor’s
Charlie Cave, sr., Belmont Hill (Brown)
Ethan O’Neill, sr., Belmont Hill (Tufts)
Roman Tacelli, sr., Noble and Greenough (Colorado College)
Brody Upton, jr., Noble and Greenough (Princeton commit)
Alex Dixon, jr., Brooks (Utah commit)
Face-off
Jack Rideout, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Michigan)
Owen Umansky, jr., Governor’s (Harvard commit)
Hayden Cody, soph., Roxbury Latin
Jackson Henehan, soph., Thayer
SSDM
Jack Travis, jr., Groton
Ben Frisoli, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Tufts)
LSM
Ian Olenik, sr., Governor’s (Providence)
Ben Clarke, sr., Noble and Greenough (Colorado College)
Charlie Hazard, jr., Belmont Hill (Johns Hopkins)
Defense
Will Potter, sr., Rivers School (Utah)
Tom Goguen, sr., Belmont Hill
PJ McKeigue, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Penn)
Andrew Hahm, sr., St. Sebastian’s
Lucca Casagrande, sr., Milton Academy (Wesleyan)
Ben Baroni, sr., Governor’s (Villanova)
Goalie
Oran Gelinas, sr., Middlesex (Ohio State)
Matt Tully, jr., Noble and Greenough (Cornell commit)
Connor Foley, jr., Thayer (Brown commit)
Honorable Mention
Belmont Hill – Liam Horkan, sr., A (Conn College); Matthew Torrey, jr., G (Air Force commit); Eli Goldstein, jr., M (Brown commit)
Brooks — Will Creevy, sr., G; Aidan Shea, sr., D; Shane Burns, jr., LSM
BB&N — Nico Berger, sr., M; Jamie Weyerhaeuser, jr., M; Henry Waisburd, soph., G
Governor’s — Huck Trafton, jr., M; Andrew Almquist, soph., G
Groton — Luke Romano, jr., D; Brayden Haggerty, jr., LSM; Chris Munroe, soph., M
Lawrence — Gavin Begonia, sr., A (Ohio State); Zach Auble, sr., M (Umass); Cameron McGinty, jr., M; Auggie Swartwood, jr., D; Logan Reed, jr., G
Middlesex — Andrew Matarese, soph., D; Liam Connor, sr., M; Sam Raye Steiner, sr., A (Bowdoin); Graham Ray, jr., FO/SSDM
Milton — Alex Godwin, sr., G; Murphy McLaughlin. Jr., D (BU commit); Michael Hanlon, jr., M
Nobles — Tommy Schwartz, jr., D; Bruno Batty, jr., D; Colin Norton, sr., SSDM; Will Canavan, sr., SSDM
Rivers — Alex Vlacich, sr., M (Amherst); Colin Eaton, sr., A (Bates); Steve Canavan, sr., D; Anthony Stillwell, jr., A (Hobart commit); Brendan Poirier, jr., M
Roxbury Latin — David Sullivan, jr., D (Dartmouth commit); Chris Weitzel, sr., D; John Price, fr., M; Nolan Walsh, sr., M; Will Anderson, jr., G
St. George’s — Jack Almeida, sr., M (Trinity); Tyler Vigeant, sr., D (Saint Anselm); Riley Zeer, sr., A (York); Rocco Pace, sr., D;
Austin Boardo, jr., G (Quinnipiac commit)
St. Mark’s — Luke D’Orsi, sr., A (Babson); Tyler Kocienda, jr., A; Calvin Beard, soph., M; Brendan Peters, sr., D
St. Sebastian’s — Tim Browne, sr., M (Colorado College); Cormac Wright, sr., SSDM (Colby football & Lacrosse); Ryan Williamson, jr., G (Dartmouth commit)
Tabor — Tim McNamara, sr., G (Denver); Cooper Manzi, sr., A (RPI); Griffin Hough, sr., D (Gettysburg); Logan Styles, jr., D; Reed Allen, sr., M; AJ Boxler, sr., M
Thayer — Collin Whitmore, sr., M (Colorado College); Tucker Chanenchuk, jr., LSM (Stony Brook commit; Teddy Lally, fr., A; Scott Lowe, jr., D
R. Jeffrey Parker Memorial Sportsmanship Award
Brooks School
Coach of the Year
Tucker Sampson, Governor's
Player of the Year
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor (Richmond)
All-American
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor
Chad Palumbo, sr., Noble and Greenough (Princeton)
Tom Goguen, sr., Belmont Hill (Dartmouth)
Academic All-American
Adam Figler, sr., Belmont Hill (Williams)
Andrew Hahm, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Amherst)
Jack Ehrgott, sr., Groton
All ISL
Attack
Jack Pappendick, sr., BB&N (Duke)
Adam Figler, sr., Belmont Hill
Chad Palumbo, sr., Noble and Greenough
Grayson McClements, jr., Noble and Greenough (Penn commit)
Evan O’Neil, soph., Tabor
Jack Taylor, sr., Lawrence (Jacksonville)
Tim Evnin, sr., St. George’s (Hobart)
Midfield
Aidan O’Neil, sr., Tabor
Rex Mabbs, sr., Middlesex (Swarthmore)
Aidan Maguire, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Duke)
Pearse MacDonald, jr., Governor’s
Charlie Cave, sr., Belmont Hill (Brown)
Ethan O’Neill, sr., Belmont Hill (Tufts)
Roman Tacelli, sr., Noble and Greenough (Colorado College)
Brody Upton, jr., Noble and Greenough (Princeton commit)
Alex Dixon, jr., Brooks (Utah commit)
Face-off
Jack Rideout, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Michigan)
Owen Umansky, jr., Governor’s (Harvard commit)
Hayden Cody, soph., Roxbury Latin
Jackson Henehan, soph., Thayer
SSDM
Jack Travis, jr., Groton
Ben Frisoli, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Tufts)
LSM
Ian Olenik, sr., Governor’s (Providence)
Ben Clarke, sr., Noble and Greenough (Colorado College)
Charlie Hazard, jr., Belmont Hill (Johns Hopkins)
Defense
Will Potter, sr., Rivers School (Utah)
Tom Goguen, sr., Belmont Hill
PJ McKeigue, sr., St. Sebastian’s (Penn)
Andrew Hahm, sr., St. Sebastian’s
Lucca Casagrande, sr., Milton Academy (Wesleyan)
Ben Baroni, sr., Governor’s (Villanova)
Goalie
Oran Gelinas, sr., Middlesex (Ohio State)
Matt Tully, jr., Noble and Greenough (Cornell commit)
Connor Foley, jr., Thayer (Brown commit)
Honorable Mention
Belmont Hill – Liam Horkan, sr., A (Conn College); Matthew Torrey, jr., G (Air Force commit); Eli Goldstein, jr., M (Brown commit)
Brooks — Will Creevy, sr., G; Aidan Shea, sr., D; Shane Burns, jr., LSM
BB&N — Nico Berger, sr., M; Jamie Weyerhaeuser, jr., M; Henry Waisburd, soph., G
Governor’s — Huck Trafton, jr., M; Andrew Almquist, soph., G
Groton — Luke Romano, jr., D; Brayden Haggerty, jr., LSM; Chris Munroe, soph., M
Lawrence — Gavin Begonia, sr., A (Ohio State); Zach Auble, sr., M (Umass); Cameron McGinty, jr., M; Auggie Swartwood, jr., D; Logan Reed, jr., G
Middlesex — Andrew Matarese, soph., D; Liam Connor, sr., M; Sam Raye Steiner, sr., A (Bowdoin); Graham Ray, jr., FO/SSDM
Milton — Alex Godwin, sr., G; Murphy McLaughlin. Jr., D (BU commit); Michael Hanlon, jr., M
Nobles — Tommy Schwartz, jr., D; Bruno Batty, jr., D; Colin Norton, sr., SSDM; Will Canavan, sr., SSDM
Rivers — Alex Vlacich, sr., M (Amherst); Colin Eaton, sr., A (Bates); Steve Canavan, sr., D; Anthony Stillwell, jr., A (Hobart commit); Brendan Poirier, jr., M
Roxbury Latin — David Sullivan, jr., D (Dartmouth commit); Chris Weitzel, sr., D; John Price, fr., M; Nolan Walsh, sr., M; Will Anderson, jr., G
St. George’s — Jack Almeida, sr., M (Trinity); Tyler Vigeant, sr., D (Saint Anselm); Riley Zeer, sr., A (York); Rocco Pace, sr., D;
Austin Boardo, jr., G (Quinnipiac commit)
St. Mark’s — Luke D’Orsi, sr., A (Babson); Tyler Kocienda, jr., A; Calvin Beard, soph., M; Brendan Peters, sr., D
St. Sebastian’s — Tim Browne, sr., M (Colorado College); Cormac Wright, sr., SSDM (Colby football & Lacrosse); Ryan Williamson, jr., G (Dartmouth commit)
Tabor — Tim McNamara, sr., G (Denver); Cooper Manzi, sr., A (RPI); Griffin Hough, sr., D (Gettysburg); Logan Styles, jr., D; Reed Allen, sr., M; AJ Boxler, sr., M
Thayer — Collin Whitmore, sr., M (Colorado College); Tucker Chanenchuk, jr., LSM (Stony Brook commit; Teddy Lally, fr., A; Scott Lowe, jr., D
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Been meaning to put this together for a bit. It's a few general observations on the 2022 season and brief blurb about each team.
Goalies make the difference - You really can’t compete in this league without a top flight goalie. I was able to catch a few games this year that came right down to the end, and the goalie play was absolutely spectacular. I believe six schools have a 2023 who is committed to a D1 school.
Versatile seniors - A few seniors changed up their roles to help their teams and really excelled. Jack Pappendick (BB&N/Duke) and Jack Taylor (Lawrence/Jacksonville) flipped from midfield to attack and both received All ISL. Aidan O’Neil (Tabor/Richmond) was All-ISL and All-American at midfield after converting from attack. And Ben Frisoli (St. Seb’s/Tufts) traded in his longpole and wound up All-ISL at SSDM.
2023 Final Four could look pretty familiar - I’ve said many times that you need great seniors to win at this level. Well, while the final four teams all had strong senior contributors, Seb’s is the only one taking substantial graduation losses. The other three should all look as good or better on paper at the start of 2023 than they did in 2022 assuming that everyone is back and healthy.
But the preseason favorites will look different - I’m not saying that Belmont Hill or Seb’s won’t end up winning the league next season, but with the seniors they both graduated and what Govs, Nobles, Thayer have returning the general preseason analysis of, “It’s BH and Seb’s then everyone else” that's been easy for the last five years won’t fly.
Class of 2025 looks strong - Laxachusetts and 3D New England both appear to have very strong teams in this class, and a lot of players from those teams found immediate roles in the ISL. 12 freshmen had 10+ points in ISL play, and another dozen played in at least 10 games. There’s one starting goalie already as well. If this group continues to develop and remain a standout class for Massachusetts lacrosse, then its impact will be pretty big over the next three years.
Colorado College killed it - They’ve been recruiting the ISL for a few seasons now but have five guys arriving in the fall, with two all-leaguers and two honorable mentions included.
More coaching turnover - Only one (Brooks) has been announced publicly, but I’ve been told of two additional coaching changes. Both are at programs that should draw considerable interest from strong candidates.
Nobles - League champs and they’re arguably better on paper for 2023 lead by an Ivy-bound trio of four star recruits.
Govs - A really young team who had an improbable run, they’ll be in the mix again as most of offense and the league’s top faceoff return.
Thayer - Only four contributors graduate and next year’s seniors are a big group with a lot of three-year starters and contributors that should provide the confidence to play like favorites.
St. Seb’s - They graduate a ton and next year’s senior class is small, but the talent in the 24&25 classes should keep them in the top half of the league.
Belmont Hill - A large group of seniors who’ve waited their turn will be back, but they might have to keep waiting with the talent in the 24 & 25 classes.
Tabor - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
Lawrence Academy - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
St. George’s - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
Rivers - The rising seniors are strong and a good young goalie returns, but defense looks like a question again; we’ll see if there’s any fallout from the weird way their season ended.
Middlesex - They return nice players throughout the roster, but like the other small boarding schools the margin is pretty thin most years to compete with the league’s perennial powers.
Milton - Next year could be the year for the Mustangs as the 2022 team was their best in years and largely driven by juniors and sophomores.
Roxbury Latin - They really struggled to score this year but have some nice young players and we’ll see what year two of a new coach brings.
Groton - Groton seem perfectly happy when good lacrosse players apply and get in but I don’t get the sense they’re trying to keep up with the rest of the league.
BB&N - The athletic emphasis is clearly on football for BB&N.
St. Mark’s - Hopefully this was the low-water mark for them as the new coaching staff starts to bring in their own kinds after year 1.
Brooks - Very tough year and their best player is transferring out for his senior year, but they’ve announced they’re bringing in a 2014 alum (with stops at stops at Culver and Gunnery) as the new coach and hopefully he can turn things around.
Goalies make the difference - You really can’t compete in this league without a top flight goalie. I was able to catch a few games this year that came right down to the end, and the goalie play was absolutely spectacular. I believe six schools have a 2023 who is committed to a D1 school.
Versatile seniors - A few seniors changed up their roles to help their teams and really excelled. Jack Pappendick (BB&N/Duke) and Jack Taylor (Lawrence/Jacksonville) flipped from midfield to attack and both received All ISL. Aidan O’Neil (Tabor/Richmond) was All-ISL and All-American at midfield after converting from attack. And Ben Frisoli (St. Seb’s/Tufts) traded in his longpole and wound up All-ISL at SSDM.
2023 Final Four could look pretty familiar - I’ve said many times that you need great seniors to win at this level. Well, while the final four teams all had strong senior contributors, Seb’s is the only one taking substantial graduation losses. The other three should all look as good or better on paper at the start of 2023 than they did in 2022 assuming that everyone is back and healthy.
But the preseason favorites will look different - I’m not saying that Belmont Hill or Seb’s won’t end up winning the league next season, but with the seniors they both graduated and what Govs, Nobles, Thayer have returning the general preseason analysis of, “It’s BH and Seb’s then everyone else” that's been easy for the last five years won’t fly.
Class of 2025 looks strong - Laxachusetts and 3D New England both appear to have very strong teams in this class, and a lot of players from those teams found immediate roles in the ISL. 12 freshmen had 10+ points in ISL play, and another dozen played in at least 10 games. There’s one starting goalie already as well. If this group continues to develop and remain a standout class for Massachusetts lacrosse, then its impact will be pretty big over the next three years.
Colorado College killed it - They’ve been recruiting the ISL for a few seasons now but have five guys arriving in the fall, with two all-leaguers and two honorable mentions included.
More coaching turnover - Only one (Brooks) has been announced publicly, but I’ve been told of two additional coaching changes. Both are at programs that should draw considerable interest from strong candidates.
Nobles - League champs and they’re arguably better on paper for 2023 lead by an Ivy-bound trio of four star recruits.
Govs - A really young team who had an improbable run, they’ll be in the mix again as most of offense and the league’s top faceoff return.
Thayer - Only four contributors graduate and next year’s seniors are a big group with a lot of three-year starters and contributors that should provide the confidence to play like favorites.
St. Seb’s - They graduate a ton and next year’s senior class is small, but the talent in the 24&25 classes should keep them in the top half of the league.
Belmont Hill - A large group of seniors who’ve waited their turn will be back, but they might have to keep waiting with the talent in the 24 & 25 classes.
Tabor - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
Lawrence Academy - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
St. George’s - They had their best season in years lead by their best group of seniors in years, but was it a one off or a building block?
Rivers - The rising seniors are strong and a good young goalie returns, but defense looks like a question again; we’ll see if there’s any fallout from the weird way their season ended.
Middlesex - They return nice players throughout the roster, but like the other small boarding schools the margin is pretty thin most years to compete with the league’s perennial powers.
Milton - Next year could be the year for the Mustangs as the 2022 team was their best in years and largely driven by juniors and sophomores.
Roxbury Latin - They really struggled to score this year but have some nice young players and we’ll see what year two of a new coach brings.
Groton - Groton seem perfectly happy when good lacrosse players apply and get in but I don’t get the sense they’re trying to keep up with the rest of the league.
BB&N - The athletic emphasis is clearly on football for BB&N.
St. Mark’s - Hopefully this was the low-water mark for them as the new coaching staff starts to bring in their own kinds after year 1.
Brooks - Very tough year and their best player is transferring out for his senior year, but they’ve announced they’re bringing in a 2014 alum (with stops at stops at Culver and Gunnery) as the new coach and hopefully he can turn things around.
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Dixon is heading to Western Reserve Academy in Ohio as is Nick Bell from Rivers (PG year). I don't know much about the place but it looks like a pretty strong program. I understand the move for Dixon. The ISL is a good league, but if his own team doesn't challenge him daily in practice then he won't get the quality reps he needs to prepare for Utah from just 13-14 league games.
Walker is one of the coaches I was talking about. I just hadn't seen it publicly and didn't want to break any news. Really good career for him, especially considering where Rivers was as a program when he took over. It will definitely be a hot job with wide applicant pool as coaches don't necessarily have to fill other roles at Rivers.
Walker is one of the coaches I was talking about. I just hadn't seen it publicly and didn't want to break any news. Really good career for him, especially considering where Rivers was as a program when he took over. It will definitely be a hot job with wide applicant pool as coaches don't necessarily have to fill other roles at Rivers.
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Interesting wrinkle for the Bostonlax All-American game this year, it will be ISL v. MIAA. There was an end of season prep v. public game for a few years eons ago. Nice to see them bring it back. Should be a lot more fun and build up to it in the era of social media and "chirping".
Rosters here: https://bostonlax.net/2022-bostonlax-al ... e-rosters/
Two St. George's (a school in RI) players who grew up much closer to NYC than Boston are playing, but nobody from Rivers. They're both really good players so I think they should be included, but it's just a bit odd to see nobody from Rivers.
Pearse MacDonald (Govs) is listed as a 2024 here and has played with 2024 Laxachusetts this summer, so it appears he's reclassed. Does anyone know if he's reclassed at Govs as well or is the plan to finish next spring and PG somewhere in 23-24?
Rosters here: https://bostonlax.net/2022-bostonlax-al ... e-rosters/
Two St. George's (a school in RI) players who grew up much closer to NYC than Boston are playing, but nobody from Rivers. They're both really good players so I think they should be included, but it's just a bit odd to see nobody from Rivers.
Pearse MacDonald (Govs) is listed as a 2024 here and has played with 2024 Laxachusetts this summer, so it appears he's reclassed. Does anyone know if he's reclassed at Govs as well or is the plan to finish next spring and PG somewhere in 23-24?
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100% true. You never know how kids will continue to develop and improve but they've got nine guys in that class (that I know about so far) who look on track to play pretty high level college lacrosse if they choose to pursue it. With such a large class just graduating, and their 2023s being a real small group, some 2025s will have big roles for Seb's next year.
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In recruiting, lacrosse media is very focused on “9/1 recruits” — the four & five star kids whose phones explode as soon as D1 coaches can contact them on September 1st of their junior year.
The ISL has a few of those players most years, but is always loaded with what I’m calling “7/1 recruits”. Rising seniors who are very good players with strong academics but haven’t committed for a few potential reasons: they haven’t drawn interest from attractive D1 destinations, they have drawn that interest but aren’t sure they want a D1 college experience, they’re pretty strong in another sport (typically football or hockey for ISL kids) and are hoping to play both in college.
These are the types of players that have NESCAC coaches excited for tomorrow when they officially begin offering support in the admissions process to prospects. 10 ISL players in the class of 2022 announced NESCAC commitments by July 8th of last year in an especially big year for the ISL to NESCAC pipeline. I’m interested to see how it goes for the class of 2023.
The ISL has a few of those players most years, but is always loaded with what I’m calling “7/1 recruits”. Rising seniors who are very good players with strong academics but haven’t committed for a few potential reasons: they haven’t drawn interest from attractive D1 destinations, they have drawn that interest but aren’t sure they want a D1 college experience, they’re pretty strong in another sport (typically football or hockey for ISL kids) and are hoping to play both in college.
These are the types of players that have NESCAC coaches excited for tomorrow when they officially begin offering support in the admissions process to prospects. 10 ISL players in the class of 2022 announced NESCAC commitments by July 8th of last year in an especially big year for the ISL to NESCAC pipeline. I’m interested to see how it goes for the class of 2023.
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Very curious if the no legacy help to some of these NESCAC schools will thin the numbers from the NE private school lax community? I know Middlebury has said they want to move away from the same applicant pools that they traditionally did...but IDK if that's just BS talk? They want Money at the end of the day...