2022 All-Americans
2022 All-Americans
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Hmmm. Not to say that they aren't all excellent players on what are to be sure stacked teams but there is a lot of talent spread across D3. Having 9/13 spots on the First team slotted to players from 3 schools seems a bit myopic to me.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:43 pm USA Lacrosse Magazine's 2022 Division III Men's Preseason All-Americans
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Agreed. But anytime a player from a team that hasn’t traditionally been strong racks up serious numbers (see AA convos on Swedlund at Stockton or Nelson at Pfieffer), the gang here scoffs at them getting AA acknowledgement.
And they have a point. Strength of competition matters.
Plus it’s pre season.
And they have a point. Strength of competition matters.
Plus it’s pre season.
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York - 5
Salisbury - 4
Christopher Newport - 4
St. John Fisher - 4
Tufts - 3
Lynchburg - 3
RIT - 3
Grove City - 2
Franklin & Marshall -2
1 - Cabrini, Wesleyan, UMass-Boston, Denison, Williams, Stevens Tech, Stevenson, Ithaca, Cortland
39 players. 18 teams represented in total: 9 teams with multiple AAs, 9 teams with 1 AA, 7 of these 1 AA teams have 3rd Team AAs.
I'm now less bothered by this list...
Salisbury - 4
Christopher Newport - 4
St. John Fisher - 4
Tufts - 3
Lynchburg - 3
RIT - 3
Grove City - 2
Franklin & Marshall -2
1 - Cabrini, Wesleyan, UMass-Boston, Denison, Williams, Stevens Tech, Stevenson, Ithaca, Cortland
39 players. 18 teams represented in total: 9 teams with multiple AAs, 9 teams with 1 AA, 7 of these 1 AA teams have 3rd Team AAs.
I'm now less bothered by this list...
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This list is a joke. 2 players from Grove City is comical
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The two 2nd teams from Grove City is a little odd. I'm sure they are good players, but according to FanLax's own ratings Grove City was rank #100 and only played teams ranks #151 or higher with the exception on Cabrini (#26) during the tournament and lost by 10.
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USA Lax Mag used to have a writer who specialized in D3, but he left maybe 4 or 5 years ago. This AA list was done by "staff," whatever that means. Pre-season AA is especially hit-and-miss in D3. They've taken down at least some of their previous Pre-Season D3 AA articles, but I recall some very glaring omissions based on final post-season AAs.
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We had Joe Post as a football player at Hobart. Wondered where he went when he disappeared after his first year.
https://hwsathletics.com/sports/footbal ... post/12841
https://athletics.sjfc.edu/sports/mens- ... post/10595
From football I can’t stand Fisher but at least he stayed upstate.
https://hwsathletics.com/sports/footbal ... post/12841
https://athletics.sjfc.edu/sports/mens- ... post/10595
From football I can’t stand Fisher but at least he stayed upstate.
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They also have a 2nd teamer listed who is no longer playing. Maybe they assumed a graduate year, I wonder how many of those there are in the list.
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Going to have more in football from just Muhlenberg & Hop
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Way too many kids in D3 to truly get it 100% accurate. Crazy that a lot of the kids on the list have been prior AA. Don't like the best teams having the most AA, then beat them.
Not a crazy thought that the best teams have the best players. Stop looking for handouts.
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York having 5 is alot but Kennedy is a returning 1st teamer and Michael is a returning 2nd teamer with the goalie of the year graduating. Burno being a 1st teamer is probably based on longevity. Ethan Greene is the real deal and will be very good. and Vinny as 3rd team FOGO is likely based on a body of work and that he was basically an ironman last year. I am more surprised that Dylan Wold was not anywhere on any last as he was a 1st teamer AA last year.
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How about the fact they have the StJF FOGO on the first team, but they give FOGO of the year to the Grove City guy?
https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... f-the-year
It's a little thing, but shows that there is no proof reading or common sense in these lists.
https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... f-the-year
It's a little thing, but shows that there is no proof reading or common sense in these lists.
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Not always the case - Salisbury has a long list of players year to year that should make the list. I'm sure this one will raise the ire of some due to how many players have been voted in, but there have been some "glaring" misses. Few examples:ShenandoahLaxDad wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:14 pmWay too many kids in D3 to truly get it 100% accurate. Crazy that a lot of the kids on the list have been prior AA. Don't like the best teams having the most AA, then beat them.
Not a crazy thought that the best teams have the best players. Stop looking for handouts.
Aaron Leeds - 2017 - Close D - National Champion
Flanked by the likes of Kyle Tucker and Will Nowesnick (both 1st team AA and Pro players) Aaron somehow was missed - I think he may have been HM-AA, but for anyone who knows lacrosse that 2017 was among the best the Gulls have ever fielded and Leeds was exceptional - If he'd played for another ranked team, he'd have been a 1st or 2nd team AA. Watch Leeds in the NC game from 2017 NC and you'll see. This kid was one of the best (smart & tough as nails)
Nick Garbarino - 2017 - Attack - National Champion
68 Goals & 20 Assists in only 19 games played w/ no honors - Keep in mind that Nick's linemate Carson Kalama (also well-deserving) earned 2nd Team honors after scoring 69 goals and 19 assists after playing in "23" games ??
Cross Farrara - 2019 - Attack
69 Goals & 14 Assists - Leading goal scorer in '19 and went onto become POY following the COVID season somehow only received HM-AA
Josh Melton - 2021 - 4 Year SU Starter -Attack National Champion
41 Goals & 54 Assists in 19 games - only earning HM in '21 - In 2019 Josh earned 1st team AA w/ 66 Goals & 52 Assists in 24 games - Kid finished career as 3rd all-time in points for Salisbury finishing with 170 Goals and 179 Assists (7th goals - 2nd assists All time) - Always heralded for such an even distribution between A's & G's, it's interesting that in '21 Josh average 5 points per game and was on pace to outscore his 2019 total by seven more points w/ 52 goals and 73 Assists if they'd played the same amount of games.
John Defazio - 2021 - LSM's
No preseason love for this kid just shows that the voters are either lazy or incompetent. The eye-test should have been enough for this freshman to get at least HM who started 18 game in '21 with 49 GB's and 21 CT's
If all these voters had to choose AA teams to keep their job, etc., these lists would be much different (and likely would come from an even smaller pool of teams) - I get that we need to represent the whole of D3, but the truth is that the vast amount of talent resides in the top 5-10 teams.
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LarumVictoia wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:26 pm Aaron Leeds - 2017 - Close D - National Champion
Nick Garbarino - 2017 - Attack - National Champion
Cross Farrara - 2019 - Attack
Josh Melton - 2021 - 4 Year SU Starter -Attack National Champion
John Defazio - 2021 - LSM's
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I would watch out for some more guys from the SUNYAC. Geneseo and Cortland have some talent and kids who were just all-region and all- SUNYAC. I think a bunch of those guys take a big jump this year.
If I had to guess, RIT, Salisbury, and Tufts will be top-heavy on this list at the end of the year.
If I had to guess, RIT, Salisbury, and Tufts will be top-heavy on this list at the end of the year.
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Inside Lacrosse have some dedicated D3 guys. It will be interesting to see how their pre-season all American list compares.FannOLax wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:15 pm USA Lax Mag used to have a writer who specialized in D3, but he left maybe 4 or 5 years ago. This AA list was done by "staff," whatever that means. Pre-season AA is especially hit-and-miss in D3. They've taken down at least some of their previous Pre-Season D3 AA articles, but I recall some very glaring omissions based on final post-season AAs.