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Can Opener wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 pm Many years ago a close friend worked in the Duke admissions office while she was an undergraduate there. Given the timing of March Madness coming right before admissions letters went out, Duke had the matriculation formula down to an exact science. They could calculate matriculation rate based on how far the basketball team went in the tournament. If the team won it all, they sent out fewer acceptance letters. If they got knocked out in the second round, they accepted more applicants. This stuff matters to 16 and 17 year old male athletes even more than the general applicant pool. Who wouldn't want to go to a Big 10 school that has a chance of winning a major natty while you're there?
To answer your bolded question, here's a short list of names who didn't want to go to a BigTen school:

Chris Gray
Michael Sowers
Jt Giles Harris
Will Bowen
Jack Kielty
Mikey Sisselberger
Owen McElroy
Jared Connors
Connor Shellenberger
Nakeie Montgomery
Jack Hannah
Danny Logan.


All first team All Americans last season. Not one of them chose to play for a Big Ten Team. Not one of them, despite DocB's protestations, chose to play for Michigan. Jack Hannah and Danny Logan chose to play for Denver. They must have missed DocB's memo on how awesome the Michigan brand is.

The choice isn't between "attend a BigTen School" or nothing. These kids have other choices. If all lax recruits cared about was "Branding"? Harvard, the most famous University in the world, would be on their 30th straight Championship. And Hopkins, a school that most of the country has never heard of, would have zero Championships.

But that's fascinating to hear about Duke, thank you....
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a fan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:10 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:58 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:10 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:27 pm Not a slight to Denver.

Michigan is one of the highest profile universities in the nation, and one of the biggest sports “brands” there is.

Denver, well, isn’t.

Those are just facts.

DocBarrister
:lol: Oh, yes it is a slight. And it makes my point perfectly that you guys still have your heads up your *sses, and have convinced yourselves that having a high profile football team means that lacrosse recruits will fall all over themselves to come to Michigan.

The advantage that you think Michigan has doesn't exist, and I told you that when Conry was hired. You didn't want to hear it..... and here you are, five years later, squawking about the Michigan brand even with the evidence staring you in the face that lax players CLEARLY don't care about the Michigan brand.

How many NCAA Championships does UMich Lacrosse and Hockey have in the 2000's, Doc? Zippo. None.

How about the University of Denver? Four.

Wake up. No one cares about "branding", except the dude selling T-shirts for $30 a pop.
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I still refer to it as That School Up North! :lol: :lol:

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:lol: I owned a pub there for a decade, Joe. We LOVED Ohio St games.....because it meant double the sales for the weekend over any other team.

Your fans were always respectful, and fun to have in. Rooted hard without being obnoxious.
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Laxfan#1969 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:00 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:10 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:27 pm Not a slight to Denver.

Michigan is one of the highest profile universities in the nation, and one of the biggest sports “brands” there is.

Denver, well, isn’t.

Those are just facts.

DocBarrister
:lol: Oh, yes it is a slight. And it makes my point perfectly that you guys still have your heads up your *sses, and have convinced yourselves that having a high profile football team means that lacrosse recruits will fall all over themselves to come to Michigan.

The advantage that you think Michigan has doesn't exist, and I told you that when Conry was hired. You didn't want to hear it..... and here you are, five years later, squawking about the Michigan brand even with the evidence staring you in the face that lax players CLEARLY don't care about the Michigan brand.

How many NCAA Championships does UMich Lacrosse and Hockey have in the 2000's, Doc? Zippo. None.

How about the University of Denver? Four.

Wake up. No one cares about "branding", except the dude selling T-shirts for $30 a pop.
"Brand" is way more important to Michigan than actually winning...this thread just shows it...people think Michigan has a great football program and team...but they have not won a relevant game in years...they have not won a big ten title since 2004...I bet most in this lacrosse board have no idea about those facts...

Michigan is a huge "brand"....

I think they are trending in the right direction as a lacrosse program...which is not hard considering where they are coming from....

They have great facilities, it's a very good school

But the other big ten schools are very close and in some cases just as good or better...

Michigan can be good and might be good...but the "brand sale" is old and tired...just win
Look at Nebraska football. I thought Harbaugh was going to get it done as he did in both Stanford and SF 49ers but he always wore out his welcome and maybe the lack of success made it worse but they can’t admit it an shaming onto a sunk cost with him.
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Can Opener wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 pm Many years ago a close friend worked in the Duke admissions office while she was an undergraduate there. Given the timing of March Madness coming right before admissions letters went out, Duke had the matriculation formula down to an exact science. They could calculate matriculation rate based on how far the basketball team went in the tournament. If the team won it all, they sent out fewer acceptance letters. If they got knocked out in the second round, they accepted more applicants. This stuff matters to 16 and 17 year old male athletes even more than the general applicant pool. Who wouldn't want to go to a Big 10 school that has a chance of winning a major natty while you're there?
This is called the "Flutie Effect." After Doug Flutie won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. BC saw a 10% increase in applications after Flutie won the award. Most schools use the 10% bump in applications to get more selective, although some use the bump to increase net tuition revenue. Villanova has used its basketball success to elevate itself from "regional university" status to "national university" status. Of course, you get schools like Oklahoma that simply increase enrollment by 10% after winning the 2001 BCS championship and don't have enough dorm space...and have to put kids up in hotels (true story).

Alabama has built insane dorms that look like resorts to increase the number of out-of-state students ($$$$$) in response to Saban's success. Using football for perhaps a more sustainable enrollment strategy to yield higher net tuition revenue.
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Yup. Alabama is academically less prestigious than our B1G State University, comparably hard to get into as an out-of-state resident, much more expensive as an out-of-state resident, but is a very attractive destination for upper middle class children in our area, who might not qualify for UVA or UNC as out-of-state non-minority, non-athletes.
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44WeWantMore wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:58 am Yup. Alabama is academically less prestigious than our B1G State University, comparably hard to get into as an out-of-state resident, much more expensive as an out-of-state resident, but is a very attractive destination for upper middle class children in our area, who might not qualify for UVA or UNC as out-of-state non-minority, non-athletes.
All the SE big Us have skyrocketed. But honestly I’ve been around enough of these grads to know that when UGA and UF are both ranked in the top 30 that it’s a function of in or out of state cost vs private schools who are screwing themselves having tire higher Ed to defacto job training and getting to $250-$300k gross and still $150k-$250k net (student loans shouldn’t be better out) for a generic degree. Ans the USNWR is over valuing that admit rate massively. I see better equipped kids from
SUNY Binghamton or NC State all day and night than UGA/UF.
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Wheels wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:31 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 pm Many years ago a close friend worked in the Duke admissions office while she was an undergraduate there. Given the timing of March Madness coming right before admissions letters went out, Duke had the matriculation formula down to an exact science. They could calculate matriculation rate based on how far the basketball team went in the tournament. If the team won it all, they sent out fewer acceptance letters. If they got knocked out in the second round, they accepted more applicants. This stuff matters to 16 and 17 year old male athletes even more than the general applicant pool. Who wouldn't want to go to a Big 10 school that has a chance of winning a major natty while you're there?
This is called the "Flutie Effect." After Doug Flutie won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. BC saw a 10% increase in applications after Flutie won the award. Most schools use the 10% bump in applications to get more selective, although some use the bump to increase net tuition revenue. Villanova has used its basketball success to elevate itself from "regional university" status to "national university" status. Of course, you get schools like Oklahoma that simply increase enrollment by 10% after winning the 2001 BCS championship and don't have enough dorm space...and have to put kids up in hotels (true story).

Alabama has built insane dorms that look like resorts to increase the number of out-of-state students ($$$$$) in response to Saban's success. Using football for perhaps a more sustainable enrollment strategy to yield higher net tuition revenue.
The exact thing happened at Villanova, another "regional university", following the basketball team's national championship in 1985. Back in the early 80's Villanova was a really nice school that was filled with nice Catholic high schools students from PA, NJ and NY. The applications doubled the year following that '85 championship. Following the 2016 championship applications rose 22% from 17,266 to 21,095. That is a lot for a school with just 6,800 undergrads. The basketball program, more than anything else has raised the academic profile of Villanova over the last three decades. They should rename the Chapel on campus to "St. Jay Wright of Churchville, PA." :D

It's a big bet that University Presidents and Boards make on athletic programs. But sometimes it pays off.
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Henpecked wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 am
Wheels wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:31 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 pm Many years ago a close friend worked in the Duke admissions office while she was an undergraduate there. Given the timing of March Madness coming right before admissions letters went out, Duke had the matriculation formula down to an exact science. They could calculate matriculation rate based on how far the basketball team went in the tournament. If the team won it all, they sent out fewer acceptance letters. If they got knocked out in the second round, they accepted more applicants. This stuff matters to 16 and 17 year old male athletes even more than the general applicant pool. Who wouldn't want to go to a Big 10 school that has a chance of winning a major natty while you're there?
This is called the "Flutie Effect." After Doug Flutie won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. BC saw a 10% increase in applications after Flutie won the award. Most schools use the 10% bump in applications to get more selective, although some use the bump to increase net tuition revenue. Villanova has used its basketball success to elevate itself from "regional university" status to "national university" status. Of course, you get schools like Oklahoma that simply increase enrollment by 10% after winning the 2001 BCS championship and don't have enough dorm space...and have to put kids up in hotels (true story).

Alabama has built insane dorms that look like resorts to increase the number of out-of-state students ($$$$$) in response to Saban's success. Using football for perhaps a more sustainable enrollment strategy to yield higher net tuition revenue.
The exact thing happened at Villanova, another "regional university", following the basketball team's national championship in 1985. Back in the early 80's Villanova was a really nice school that was filled with nice Catholic high schools students from PA, NJ and NY. The applications doubled the year following that '85 championship. Following the 2016 championship applications rose 22% from 17,266 to 21,095. That is a lot for a school with just 6,800 undergrads. The basketball program, more than anything else has raised the academic profile of Villanova over the last three decades. They should rename the Chapel on campus to "St. Jay Wright of Churchville, PA." :D

It's a big bet that University Presidents and Boards make on athletic programs. But sometimes it pays off.
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The Big Ten will have all 6 teams in the Big Ten tournament again this year at Maryland!

April 30 at 3rd and 4th seed
Friday May 6 semifinals
Sunday May 7 final

https://bigten.org/sports/2021/8/3/21_22_CHAMPS.aspx
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AreaLax wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:18 pm The Big Ten will have all 6 teams in the Big Ten tournament again this year at Maryland!

April 30 at 3rd and 4th seed
Friday May 5, semifinals
Sunday May 7 final

https://bigten.org/sports/2021/8/3/21_22_CHAMPS.aspx
Good news! (Except being at Maryland.)

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Hearing but not confirmed the teams B1G schedule will be the same as what was to have been played in 2020.
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DocBarrister wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:52 pm
AreaLax wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:18 pm The Big Ten will have all 6 teams in the Big Ten tournament again this year at Maryland!

April 30 at 3rd and 4th seed
Friday May 5, semifinals
Sunday May 7 final

https://bigten.org/sports/2021/8/3/21_22_CHAMPS.aspx
Good news! (Except being at Maryland.)

DocBarrister ;)
What happened the last time it was at Maryland? Anything good?

Anyway sounds like that after one cycle through the conference, they're back to the same order of host sites, which means it should be at Homewood in 2023.
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AreaLax wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:04 am Hearing but not confirmed the teams B1G schedule will be the same as what was to have been played in 2020.
That is correct. Confirmed....now not sure if exact dates are aligned but the home and away games fall back to what was going to happen in 2020...

The big news as noted is they are keeping the "everyone makes the B1G tourney" from last year...which is cool
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HopFan16 wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:11 am
DocBarrister wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:52 pm
AreaLax wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:18 pm The Big Ten will have all 6 teams in the Big Ten tournament again this year at Maryland!

April 30 at 3rd and 4th seed
Friday May 5, semifinals
Sunday May 7 final

https://bigten.org/sports/2021/8/3/21_22_CHAMPS.aspx
Good news! (Except being at Maryland.)

DocBarrister ;)
What happened the last time it was at Maryland? Anything good?

Anyway sounds like that after one cycle through the conference, they're back to the same order of host sites, which means it should be at Homewood in 2023.
I don’t believe any host have won the tournament
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After the fall ball report, I think Maryland and Johns Hopkins remain the top two teams in the B1G … depending on how the free agent hoard at Rutgers does.

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Henpecked wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:13 am
Wheels wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:31 pm
Can Opener wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:30 pm Many years ago a close friend worked in the Duke admissions office while she was an undergraduate there. Given the timing of March Madness coming right before admissions letters went out, Duke had the matriculation formula down to an exact science. They could calculate matriculation rate based on how far the basketball team went in the tournament. If the team won it all, they sent out fewer acceptance letters. If they got knocked out in the second round, they accepted more applicants. This stuff matters to 16 and 17 year old male athletes even more than the general applicant pool. Who wouldn't want to go to a Big 10 school that has a chance of winning a major natty while you're there?
This is called the "Flutie Effect." After Doug Flutie won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. BC saw a 10% increase in applications after Flutie won the award. Most schools use the 10% bump in applications to get more selective, although some use the bump to increase net tuition revenue. Villanova has used its basketball success to elevate itself from "regional university" status to "national university" status. Of course, you get schools like Oklahoma that simply increase enrollment by 10% after winning the 2001 BCS championship and don't have enough dorm space...and have to put kids up in hotels (true story).

Alabama has built insane dorms that look like resorts to increase the number of out-of-state students ($$$$$) in response to Saban's success. Using football for perhaps a more sustainable enrollment strategy to yield higher net tuition revenue.
The exact thing happened at Villanova, another "regional university", following the basketball team's national championship in 1985. Back in the early 80's Villanova was a really nice school that was filled with nice Catholic high schools students from PA, NJ and NY. The applications doubled the year following that '85 championship. Following the 2016 championship applications rose 22% from 17,266 to 21,095. That is a lot for a school with just 6,800 undergrads. The basketball program, more than anything else has raised the academic profile of Villanova over the last three decades. They should rename the Chapel on campus to "St. Jay Wright of Churchville, PA." :D

It's a big bet that University Presidents and Boards make on athletic programs. But sometimes it pays off.
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DocBarrister, why do you refer to rutgers exemplary use of the transfer portal as a "free agent hoard"? Are you just fearful that brecht has established a better team than hopkins? I don't see you making these statements about other hopkins' competitors, lol.
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RURICK wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:48 am I don't see you making these statements about other hopkins' competitors, lol.
That might be because most other teams aren't doing what Rutgers is doing?
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RURICK wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:48 am DocBarrister, why do you refer to rutgers exemplary use of the transfer portal as a "free agent hoard"? Are you just fearful that brecht has established a better team than hopkins? I don't see you making these statements about other hopkins' competitors, lol.
Rutgers has 14 transfers, the terps have 5, but the bigger question is if Rutgers can take last springs run and sustain it like Loyola did w/their title or if it becomes a situation like Delaware and Towson have had where a May run dissipates. TBD.

Like the 6 team tournament idea. Generates more interest for the conference and gives the seniors on teams that might have struggled a last chance to go out strong.
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jhu06, i have not been following as closely as you or other posters on here, so please name the 14 TRANSFERS to which you refer. thanks.
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