HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
Still, it’s very interesting … Coach Gait knows Rogers very well. They have been at Syracuse together for about a decade.
And he decides to go in a completely different direction and hire Coach Pietramala.
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
Rogers has certainly excelled at times but he completely dropped the ball this past year, even with the Aviles DiPietro injuries, which is not enough of an excuse. Other ACC schools performed on D and were not completely humiliated like we were. I would also say a bigger factor than those 3 is the new faceoff rules completely wrecking our two headed monster of Phaup and Varello. They were the best unit in the ACC and quickly became the worst under the new rules. But even with that, just a totally pitiful performance from the D and even strong statements like "fundamentally broken" are not too far off from how it looked. Ther guy saying he "sucks at his job" is still being silly and biased because he has had excellent performances at times even in recent years. Along with 2019, 2017 was an excellent year for the D. He has been the DC under multiple nattys. But there is absolutely no way to sugercoat 2021 and I think it was time to move on.
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
The statistic I referenced factors in the strength of the offenses you face. Still 62/67
Antonio114 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:59 pm
Rogers has certainly excelled at times but he completely dropped the ball this past year, even with the Aviles DiPietro injuries, which is not enough of an excuse. Other ACC schools performed on D and were not completely humiliated like we were.
Syracuse dropped 20 goals on UVa. Maryland dropped 17 on them. UNC put in 16.
Duke was completely blown out in the NCAA's, remember? 14 goals.
Syracuse letting up 18 against a good team is par for the course in the ACC. The problem wasn't the D. The problem was the anemic offense. And when the offense actually scored? They beat the National Champs. Twice.
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
Rogers has certainly excelled at times but he completely dropped the ball this past year, even with the Aviles DiPietro injuries, which is not enough of an excuse. Other ACC schools performed on D and were not completely humiliated like we were. I would also say a bigger factor than those 3 is the new faceoff rules completely wrecking our two headed monster of Phaup and Varello. They were the best unit in the ACC and quickly became the worst under the new rules. But even with that, just a totally pitiful performance from the D and even strong statements like "fundamentally broken" are not too far off from how it looked. Ther guy saying he "sucks at his job" is still being silly and biased because he has had excellent performances at times even in recent years. Along with 2019, 2017 was an excellent year for the D. He has been the DC under multiple nattys. But there is absolutely no way to sugercoat 2021 and I think it was time to move on.
There were times where he had great defenses (albeit when you have White and Lade and Galloway kinda hard to not have a great defense.) But defense has changed significantly over time from when Rogers got to Syracuse and the defenses have declined significantly as those changes have occurred IMO
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:37 am
Cuse was 62 out of 67 teams in defensive efficiency this year. Rogers' units have been up and down in the last decade or so but it was clear this past season that something was fundamentally broken defensively.
That's what happens when:
1. you lose two starters on D (DiPietro, Aviles)
2. you play a completely ridiculous SOS because of Covid restrictions
3. you play a bunch of ACC super-teams filled with transfers with an average age is 26. (yes, I'm exaggerating)
When those three things didn't happen (2019)? Rogers did a better job than a whole mess of D coordinators, including UMd and UVa (the Champs).
Moral of the story: If your replacement players are subpar, you're gonna get subpar results. Rogers is a solid coach, and should land somewhere just fine.
The statistic I referenced factors in the strength of the offenses you face. Still 62/67
In adjusted defensive efficiency they were actually 49th, not 62nd. Which is still very, very bad and 3rd worst among ACC/Big Ten/Big East schools.
Boston U. (defense, vacated by Max Silberlicht - Filled by Judd Lattimore, BU Volunteer) Cleveland State (defense, vacated by Matt Bertrams) Colgate (offense, vacated by Chris Cooper) Delaware (defense, Vacated by Noah Fossner - Filled by Trey Wilkes, UDel Volunteer) Hampton (defense, hasn't been filled since Chazz Woodson arrived) Hartford (offense, vacated by Corey Bulkin) Holy Cross (offense, vacated by Ian Farley) LIU (defense, vacated by Jack Runkel) Manhattan (offense, vacated by Dave Fraboni) Marquette (offense, Vacated by Peet Poillon) Maryland (offense, Benson/Tills weighing options - job posted) Mount St. Mary’s (offense, vacated by Erik Holt) St. John's (defense, vacated by Terry Mangan) Syracuse (defense, vacated by Lelan Rogers - Filled by Dave Pietramala) Wagner (offense, vacated by JT Forkin)
Boston U. (defense, vacated by Max Silberlicht - Filled by Judd Lattimore, BU Volunteer) Cleveland State (defense, vacated by Matt Bertrams) Colgate (offense, vacated by Chris Cooper) Delaware (defense, Vacated by Noah Fossner - Filled by Trey Wilkes, UDel Volunteer) Hampton (defense, hasn't been filled since Chazz Woodson arrived) Hartford (offense, vacated by Corey Bulkin) Holy Cross (offense, vacated by Ian Farley - Filled By Chris Harren, Michigan Volunteer) LIU (defense, vacated by Jack Runkel) Manhattan (offense, vacated by Dave Fraboni) Marquette (offense, Vacated by Peet Poillon) Maryland (offense, Benson/Tills weighing options - job posted) Mount St. Mary’s (offense, vacated by Erik Holt) St. John's (defense, vacated by Terry Mangan) Syracuse (defense, vacated by Lelan Rogers - Filled by Dave Pietramala) Wagner (offense, vacated by JT Forkin)
Boston U. (defense, vacated by Max Silberlicht - Filled by Judd Lattimore, BU Volunteer) Cleveland State (defense, vacated by Matt Bertrams) Colgate (offense, vacated by Chris Cooper) Delaware (defense, vacated by Noah Fossner - Filled by Trey Wilkes, UDel Volunteer) Hampton (defense, hasn't been filled since Chazz Woodson arrived) Hartford (offense, vacated by Corey Bulkin) Holy Cross (offense, vacated by Ian Farley - Filled By Chris Harren, Michigan Volunteer) LIU (defense, vacated by Jack Runkel) - Filled by Logan Greco, Richmond Volunteer) Manhattan (offense, vacated by Dave Fraboni - Filled by Doug Sage, former D3 Drew U Head Coach) Marquette (offense, vacated by Peet Poillon) - Filled by Bo Lori, Ohio State Volunteer) Mount St. Mary’s (offense, vacated by Erik Holt) St. John's (defense, vacated by Terry Mangan) Syracuse (defense, vacated by Lelan Rogers - Filled by Dave Pietramala) Wagner (offense, vacated by JT Forkin)
Probably was more accurate to say that Bobby was deciding if his family could make it work.
It appears they have decided to make it work.
The players loved Benson's approach, as did Tills and Jesse.
Yes I believe that was the situation everyone was alluding to. He seemed to have a lot of fun this year and with that group who wouldn’t have. Glad to see he’s staying in the profession, the game is better with Benson drawing up schemes for somebody
No obvious candidates come to mind. Maybe someone like Andrew Geison—has done good work with the Monmouth D and has experience in both the Big Ten and in Pennsylvania, coaching for Rutgers and Lafayette. Might be open to the lateral "upgrade"
Boston U. (defense, vacated by Max Silberlicht - Filled by Judd Lattimore, BU Volunteer) Cleveland State (defense, vacated by Matt Bertrams) Colgate (offense, vacated by Chris Cooper) Delaware (defense, vacated by Noah Fossner - Filled by Trey Wilkes, UDel Volunteer) Hampton (defense, hasn't been filled since Chazz Woodson arrived) Hartford (offense, vacated by Corey Bulkin) Holy Cross (offense, vacated by Ian Farley - Filled By Chris Harren, Michigan Volunteer) LIU (defense, vacated by Jack Runkel) - Filled by Logan Greco, Richmond Volunteer) Manhattan (offense, vacated by Dave Fraboni - Filled by Doug Sage, former D3 Drew U Head Coach) Marquette (offense, vacated by Peet Poillon) - Filled by Bo Lori, Ohio State Volunteer) Mount St. Mary’s (offense, vacated by Erik Holt) Penn State (defense, vacated by Peter Toner) St. John's (defense, vacated by Terry Mangan) Syracuse (defense, vacated by Lelan Rogers - Filled by Dave Pietramala) Wagner (offense, vacated by JT Forkin)
D2/D3 Notable Head Coach Openings D2 UTampa D3 Amherst D3 Denison D3 Gettysburg(Filled by Peter Toner, Penn State Associate HC)
jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:38 pm
Wonder if Petro wishes Toner had made that announcement a couple weeks earlier
Just speculating, but I have to guess Syracuse pays better than Penn State for lacrosse assistant coaches.
Better weather and scenery in Happy Valley, however … no doubt about that. Also closer to Baltimore.
DocBarrister
Conversely have more influence w a new to D1 men Gait and still higher profile. Doubt Tambroni wants a back seat driver as AC.
Love the Toner family. Great folks.
Same sword they knight you they gon' good night you with
Thats' only half if they like you
That ain't even the half what they might do
Don't believe me, ask Michael
See Martin, Malcolm
See Jesus, Judas; Caesar, Brutus
See success is like suicide
jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:38 pm
Wonder if Petro wishes Toner had made that announcement a couple weeks earlier
Just speculating, but I have to guess Syracuse pays better than Penn State for lacrosse assistant coaches.
Better weather and scenery in Happy Valley, however … no doubt about that. Also closer to Baltimore.
DocBarrister
All of that is true, I think he was referring to Coach Tambroni and coach Petros relationship, they are extremely close since working together at Cornell.
