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jhu06 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:27 pm
flalax22 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:42 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:27 pm The thinly veiled shots from alums are so boring and accomplish nothing. Makes them look small. Guarantee half the people complaining about the alumni game postponement weren't going to attend anyway because they're still butthurt over Petro.
There’s a lot of them and pretty vocal and not so veiled in private lacrosse circles. Not sure what is accomplished by continuing the beef, what’s done is done.
school looks rough when they're hosting indoor events with world leaders, cashing tuition checks, bragging about their corona leadership and can't completely resume normal activities when most of the rest of the country is like Syracuse lacrosse. It's been clear that the daniels administration has an agenda that has more to do with certain external and elite internal stakeholders that really isn't really geared towards the benefit of students, alumni and faculty.

good for cornell willis. Hopefully these schools can lighten up and see the benefits of broadcasting these fall events to build momentum to the resumption of play w/fans next spring.
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We still have a pandemic that has killed close to three-quarters of a million Americans. Stop with the nonsense already. The alumni events can wait.

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:40 pm
jhu06 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:27 pm
flalax22 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:42 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:27 pm The thinly veiled shots from alums are so boring and accomplish nothing. Makes them look small. Guarantee half the people complaining about the alumni game postponement weren't going to attend anyway because they're still butthurt over Petro.
There’s a lot of them and pretty vocal and not so veiled in private lacrosse circles. Not sure what is accomplished by continuing the beef, what’s done is done.
school looks rough when they're hosting indoor events with world leaders, cashing tuition checks, bragging about their corona leadership and can't completely resume normal activities when most of the rest of the country is like Syracuse lacrosse. It's been clear that the daniels administration has an agenda that has more to do with certain external and elite internal stakeholders that really isn't really geared towards the benefit of students, alumni and faculty.

good for cornell willis. Hopefully these schools can lighten up and see the benefits of broadcasting these fall events to build momentum to the resumption of play w/fans next spring.
:roll:

We still have a pandemic that has killed close to three-quarters of a million Americans. Stop with the nonsense already. The alumni events can wait.

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There are football games going on with 80k-100k every weekend. I’m not dismissing the toll the pandemic has taken but it seems silly to cancel outdoor events at this point that would command 500 people at best.
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flalax22 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:59 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:40 pm
jhu06 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:27 pm
flalax22 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:42 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:27 pm The thinly veiled shots from alums are so boring and accomplish nothing. Makes them look small. Guarantee half the people complaining about the alumni game postponement weren't going to attend anyway because they're still butthurt over Petro.
There’s a lot of them and pretty vocal and not so veiled in private lacrosse circles. Not sure what is accomplished by continuing the beef, what’s done is done.
school looks rough when they're hosting indoor events with world leaders, cashing tuition checks, bragging about their corona leadership and can't completely resume normal activities when most of the rest of the country is like Syracuse lacrosse. It's been clear that the daniels administration has an agenda that has more to do with certain external and elite internal stakeholders that really isn't really geared towards the benefit of students, alumni and faculty.

good for cornell willis. Hopefully these schools can lighten up and see the benefits of broadcasting these fall events to build momentum to the resumption of play w/fans next spring.
:roll:

We still have a pandemic that has killed close to three-quarters of a million Americans. Stop with the nonsense already. The alumni events can wait.

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There are football games going on with 80k-100k every weekend. I’m not dismissing the toll the pandemic has taken but it seems silly to cancel outdoor events at this point that would command 500 people at best.
Those football games are almost certainly contributing to the pandemic.

The alumni events won’t all be outdoors. I’m certain there will be plenty of gatherings indoors as well. Just not worth the additional risk.

There should be no controversy about this decision.

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:19 pm Those football games are almost certainly contributing to the pandemic.

The alumni events won’t all be outdoors. I’m certain there will be plenty of gatherings indoors as well. Just not worth the additional risk.

There should be no controversy about this decision.

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Doc, please read what's been posted. This is not why the events were postponed. It was specifically because of Hopkins' silly rule around sharing food and drink. Blue Jays Unlimited, the the group that puts the event on, decided to postpone because people weren't happy with the proposed setup.

The school was prepared to host events both indoors and outdoors provided they followed the food & drink guidelines, but those guidelines quite frankly don't make any sense. People were right to be annoyed by them. There's no science to support that an outdoor tent party of mostly vaccinated individuals enjoying a bar and buffet is a high risk event. You'll recall that every single person affiliated with Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse from Joey Epstein down to the Cordish Center janitor is vaccinated because the school (rightly, IMO) requires it. But that mandate means they should be allowed to have a relatively normal event. I don't know if they were requiring alumni attendees to be vaccinated but I can't imagine they were going to let people on campus without at least a test.

My issue is that there are some alums disingenuously criticizing the decision when in fact they were not going to attend anyway because they're still bitter that the school wanted a new head coach after 20 years. If you really care then lobby the school to relax the food rules instead of going on social media with vague criticism for no one in particular which can be read as shots at the staff. Perhaps that's the point.
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Schedule for Sunday

9am Harvard v. High Point
11am Harvard v. Richmond
11am Hobart v. High Point
1pm Headstrong ceremony
1:30pm JHU v. Hobart
3:30pm JHU v. Richmond

All games on Homewood Field except the 11am between Harvard and High Point—think that one is on the practice field

Richmond should be a decent test of where the team is at right now, with all the usual caveats about it being fall ball/injuries/etc.

PM and Junior are supposed to be coaching in the Sixes tournament that day at the US Lax complex in Sparks MD so we may not have the full compliment of coaches all day. HOB—maybe if you offer to film the games for them they'll let you post on YouTube for us :D
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https://foxbaltimore.com/newsletter-dai ... -new-track

Daniels looks like a hypocrite here w/that video, but I do like the blue track. If we ever get a bubble that would be fantastic.
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If by bubble you are referencing a lax bubble Daniels already killed one that was fully paid for. Can it now get done?
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OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:36 pm If by bubble you are referencing a lax bubble Daniels already killed one that was fully paid for. Can it now get done?
What would be a rational reason for killing a fully funded bubble over the practice field? Assume that's where it would go and not homewood.
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hmmm wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:08 pm
OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:36 pm If by bubble you are referencing a lax bubble Daniels already killed one that was fully paid for. Can it now get done?
What would be a rational reason for killing a fully funded bubble over the practice field? Assume that's where it would go and not homewood.
Well I’d hate to speculate but I suspect it’s because a few people in the administration were no fans of the former Men’s Lacrosse Head Coach and weren’t looking to help him out.
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That would be my guess as well. I don’t know the reasoning I only know the result.

The reason given was no space at Homewood given future physical plant expansion.

Plans that were in discussion for athletic facilities have also fallen fallow.
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OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:43 pm That would be my guess as well. I don’t know the reasoning I only know the result.

The reason given was no space at Homewood given future physical plant expansion.

Plans that were in discussion for athletic facilities have also fallen fallow.
Was the plan to put a bubble over Homewood and not the practice facility? They did get the weight room upgraded which was a much needed improvement. Almost doubled the space among other upgrades.
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There were discussions of expanding the pool and swimming facilities. A concept was discussed. I believe a model was prepared. Nothing came of it maybe cost.

Loyola’s field is built on a City owned landfill. It is leased to Loyola for 99 years last iteration i was discussing w Joe Boylan. There are opportunities for creative solutions.
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They're just about done with a $30 million expansion and renovation of the rec center. It's virtually unrecognizable from before. I'd encourage anyone on campus this weekend for the scrimmages to check it out. It's night and day. The new weight room is huge and on par with some power 5 D1 schools. That was pretty much the only thing missing from a lacrosse student-athlete perspective and now it's greatly improved. Cordish takes care of the rest. I don't think a bubble is hugely necessary from a lax standpoint—I wouldn't say no to it but it wouldn't be high on my list of priorities either. Now all they need is bidets in the bathrooms so whoever that poster was who was complaining about the stadium poop rooms can feel comfortable taking a dump at halftime.

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HopFan16 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:31 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:19 pm Those football games are almost certainly contributing to the pandemic.

The alumni events won’t all be outdoors. I’m certain there will be plenty of gatherings indoors as well. Just not worth the additional risk.

There should be no controversy about this decision.

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Doc, please read what's been posted. This is not why the events were postponed. It was specifically because of Hopkins' silly rule around sharing food and drink. Blue Jays Unlimited, the the group that puts the event on, decided to postpone because people weren't happy with the proposed setup.

The school was prepared to host events both indoors and outdoors provided they followed the food & drink guidelines, but those guidelines quite frankly don't make any sense. People were right to be annoyed by them. There's no science to support that an outdoor tent party of mostly vaccinated individuals enjoying a bar and buffet is a high risk event. You'll recall that every single person affiliated with Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse from Joey Epstein down to the Cordish Center janitor is vaccinated because the school (rightly, IMO) requires it. But that mandate means they should be allowed to have a relatively normal event. I don't know if they were requiring alumni attendees to be vaccinated but I can't imagine they were going to let people on campus without at least a test.

My issue is that there are some alums disingenuously criticizing the decision when in fact they were not going to attend anyway because they're still bitter that the school wanted a new head coach after 20 years. If you really care then lobby the school to relax the food rules instead of going on social media with vague criticism for no one in particular which can be read as shots at the staff. Perhaps that's the point.
What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.

If the gathering is truly outdoors, fine.

But the idea is to prevent any close gatherings indoors, even if transient … thus the quick grab-n-go. That eliminates buffets.

I’m sure Johns Hopkins has folks with more public health and infectious disease expertise than anyone on this forum formulating these policies.

So why don’t you amateur public health gurus stop questioning the experts and let the true experts provide the appropriate guidance?

It’s this kind of idiotic second guessing that led the United States to suffer 750,000 COVID-19 deaths while South Korea, a nation with over 50 million people, has suffered fewer than 3,000.

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flalax22 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:00 pm
hmmm wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:08 pm
OCanada wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:36 pm If by bubble you are referencing a lax bubble Daniels already killed one that was fully paid for. Can it now get done?
What would be a rational reason for killing a fully funded bubble over the practice field? Assume that's where it would go and not homewood.
Well I’d hate to speculate but I suspect it’s because a few people in the administration were no fans of the former Men’s Lacrosse Head Coach and weren’t looking to help him out.
Please … I believe Petro received a contract extension in 2015 after the supposed grudge with President Daniels began. I think if some things were different … a more recent Final Four appearance, no NCAA violations, etc. … Petro would still be on the sidelines.

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:41 pm What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.
No, I literally just linked to the policy in question and quoted directly from it. Didn't they teach you how to read in doctorlawyer school?

The university was not going to allow even vaccinated individuals to congregate to eat together at the tent party. All events in which the "primary purpose is eating or drinking" are not currently allowed on campus, even if outdoors and amongst vaccinated people. That is NOT scientific, sorry. The tent is outdoors. It's open air. The CDC/Fauci/virtually all public health and infectious disease specialists said those kind of events were ok months ago.
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HopFan16 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:11 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:41 pm What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.
No, I literally just linked to the policy in question and quoted directly from it. Didn't they teach you how to read in doctorlawyer school?

The university was not going to allow even vaccinated individuals to congregate to eat together at the tent party. All events in which the "primary purpose is eating or drinking" are not currently allowed on campus, even if outdoors and amongst vaccinated people. That is NOT scientific, sorry. The tent is outdoors. It's open air. The CDC/Fauci/virtually all public health and infectious disease specialists said those kind of events were ok months ago.
Please re-post the link.

The link I posted is the current “official” university policy.

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:29 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:11 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:41 pm What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.
No, I literally just linked to the policy in question and quoted directly from it. Didn't they teach you how to read in doctorlawyer school?

The university was not going to allow even vaccinated individuals to congregate to eat together at the tent party. All events in which the "primary purpose is eating or drinking" are not currently allowed on campus, even if outdoors and amongst vaccinated people. That is NOT scientific, sorry. The tent is outdoors. It's open air. The CDC/Fauci/virtually all public health and infectious disease specialists said those kind of events were ok months ago.
Please re-post the link.

The link I posted is the current “official” university policy.

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Google is a wonderful thing Doc. :lol:
https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/health-safety/campus-events/
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hmmm wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:08 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:29 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:11 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:41 pm What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.
No, I literally just linked to the policy in question and quoted directly from it. Didn't they teach you how to read in doctorlawyer school?

The university was not going to allow even vaccinated individuals to congregate to eat together at the tent party. All events in which the "primary purpose is eating or drinking" are not currently allowed on campus, even if outdoors and amongst vaccinated people. That is NOT scientific, sorry. The tent is outdoors. It's open air. The CDC/Fauci/virtually all public health and infectious disease specialists said those kind of events were ok months ago.
Please re-post the link.

The link I posted is the current “official” university policy.

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Google is a wonderful thing Doc. :lol:
https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/health-safety/campus-events/
You posted to the same policy (my link is the original notice from the link within the webpage you linked to).

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:41 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:31 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:19 pm Those football games are almost certainly contributing to the pandemic.

The alumni events won’t all be outdoors. I’m certain there will be plenty of gatherings indoors as well. Just not worth the additional risk.

There should be no controversy about this decision.

DocBarrister
Doc, please read what's been posted. This is not why the events were postponed. It was specifically because of Hopkins' silly rule around sharing food and drink. Blue Jays Unlimited, the the group that puts the event on, decided to postpone because people weren't happy with the proposed setup.

The school was prepared to host events both indoors and outdoors provided they followed the food & drink guidelines, but those guidelines quite frankly don't make any sense. People were right to be annoyed by them. There's no science to support that an outdoor tent party of mostly vaccinated individuals enjoying a bar and buffet is a high risk event. You'll recall that every single person affiliated with Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse from Joey Epstein down to the Cordish Center janitor is vaccinated because the school (rightly, IMO) requires it. But that mandate means they should be allowed to have a relatively normal event. I don't know if they were requiring alumni attendees to be vaccinated but I can't imagine they were going to let people on campus without at least a test.

My issue is that there are some alums disingenuously criticizing the decision when in fact they were not going to attend anyway because they're still bitter that the school wanted a new head coach after 20 years. If you really care then lobby the school to relax the food rules instead of going on social media with vague criticism for no one in particular which can be read as shots at the staff. Perhaps that's the point.
What, this policy?

https://covidinfo.jhu.edu/messages-and- ... uirements/

That policy makes sense.

If the gathering is truly outdoors, fine.

But the idea is to prevent any close gatherings indoors, even if transient … thus the quick grab-n-go. That eliminates buffets.

I’m sure Johns Hopkins has folks with more public health and infectious disease expertise than anyone on this forum formulating these policies.

So why don’t you amateur public health gurus stop questioning the experts and let the true experts provide the appropriate guidance?

It’s this kind of idiotic second guessing that led the United States to suffer 750,000 COVID-19 deaths while South Korea, a nation with over 50 million people, has suffered fewer than 3,000.

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Tell you what- you stay home, or wherever you are most comfortable, and the rest of us who are vaccinated and ready to move on will enjoy ourselves in a responsible, feasible fashion. Enough of the faux outrage that has served to only cripple the efforts for a return to normalcy and stoke fear into a society that desperately needs more Ws. Sound good?
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