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rolldodge
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am Wycoff presumably will be marking Carraway but I don’t see that going well.
Same thought.
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am I love this matchup because it makes me think of Urick V Cuse as a upstate and Hobart guy.
And also ... 1997 Gtown beats SU regular season 14-9 to punch their ticket to their first NCAA appearance. 1999 Gtown beats SU 17-13 in the season closer to get the 5 seed on their way to their first final four ... where SU exacts their revenge running a surprise zone defense (do we see that Saturday?).
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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random observer wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:55 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:13 am
DMac wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:02 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:07 am
HGK25 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:20 pm 5 seed and draw Cuse. Not exactly any favor from the committee. Should be an electric atmosphere at UMD for the Saturday nightcap. Gotta beat good teams in May either way and this will be a great test for the Hoyas.
Have you seen Cuse this year? Notre Dame could have hung 30 on them.
Yup, Cuse has been spanked a couple of times this season, has shown up for some games and not so much for others.
Did you also see them play Duke to within one? Spank Virginia twice, once to the tune of by ten goals? Underestimate Cuse in the post season at your own peril, Mr. Brown.


Normally I’d never underestimate Cuse. The aura on top of great talent means they can always go deep in May.

But this year something is off. Way off. Their blowout losses were ugly. Really ugly. And Georgetown looks in many ways exactly like ND.

Furthermore, the Cuse captains seemingly overriding Desko on the Scanlon mess is beyond odd, and potentially very disruptive. I think there will come a day soon when that captain-coach split results in another very ugly loss. It’ll be one of their next two games.
Way off base on Desko and the captains. They have all emphatically and publicly shown support for him. DMac is right; Desko's hands were tied, so the captains took action. There was no split or disagreement between Desko and the players.



Then it was handled incorrectly. Because to the outside eye, it appeared as if Desko wanted Scanlon back, barely looking at the facts, but the captains did not.
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:17 am
random observer wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:55 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:13 am
DMac wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:02 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:07 am
HGK25 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:20 pm 5 seed and draw Cuse. Not exactly any favor from the committee. Should be an electric atmosphere at UMD for the Saturday nightcap. Gotta beat good teams in May either way and this will be a great test for the Hoyas.
Have you seen Cuse this year? Notre Dame could have hung 30 on them.
Yup, Cuse has been spanked a couple of times this season, has shown up for some games and not so much for others.
Did you also see them play Duke to within one? Spank Virginia twice, once to the tune of by ten goals? Underestimate Cuse in the post season at your own peril, Mr. Brown.


Normally I’d never underestimate Cuse. The aura on top of great talent means they can always go deep in May.

But this year something is off. Way off. Their blowout losses were ugly. Really ugly. And Georgetown looks in many ways exactly like ND.

Furthermore, the Cuse captains seemingly overriding Desko on the Scanlon mess is beyond odd, and potentially very disruptive. I think there will come a day soon when that captain-coach split results in another very ugly loss. It’ll be one of their next two games.
Way off base on Desko and the captains. They have all emphatically and publicly shown support for him. DMac is right; Desko's hands were tied, so the captains took action. There was no split or disagreement between Desko and the players.



Then it was handled incorrectly. Because to the outside eye, it appeared as if Desko wanted Scanlon back, barely looking at the facts, but the captains did not.
for many folks that watched it closely from the jump, it doesn't look like that at all.

the pr part might've been a mess, but in real time actual moves probably wouldn't change. it certainly looks like they played risk avoidance and were waiting out the d.a. and it looked like that as it was happening.
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Hoya wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:50 am At first I thought we got a bit of a bad draw but then again, there are no bad teams in this tournament and with Covid you are a test away from going home anyway. With the conditions this year I'd like to get in at least one game where we punch an old rival in the face. This is it.
A 5 seed almost invariably draws a tough opponent. Who did you want? Drexel, Rutgers, Loyola again? I like the matchup. Should be a good game and show a lot about both teams.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am
I love this matchup because it makes me think of Urick V Cuse as a upstate and Hobart guy.
Yep, but I'm thinking of the 1999 Urick coached Georgetown team that beat Syracuse in the regular season but lost the rematch in the NCAA Final Four. I like Georgetown's chances this weekend.
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rolldodge wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:10 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am Wycoff presumably will be marking Carraway but I don’t see that going well.
Same thought.
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am I love this matchup because it makes me think of Urick V Cuse as a upstate and Hobart guy.
And also ... 1997 Gtown beats SU regular season 13-9 to punch their ticket to their first NCAA appearance. 1999 Gtown beats SU 19-13 in the season closer to get the 5 seed on their way to their first final four ... where SU exacts their revenge running a surprise zone defense (do we see that Saturday?).
We only won maybe 2x over a 15yr stretch but had a lot of battles and 1-2 OT games w Urick headed GTown teams after he left Geneva. Some were pretty bloody earlier on
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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Trumansburger wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:32 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am
I love this matchup because it makes me think of Urick V Cuse as a upstate and Hobart guy.
Yep, but I'm thinking of the 1999 Urick coached Georgetown team that beat Syracuse in the regular season but lost the rematch in the NCAA Final Four. I like Georgetown's chances this weekend.
Brodie Merrill is the best defensive player since Petro played at a minimum IMO.

Late 90s is my hood as well. Rough year in 99 for Hobart, went 6-7 but back half of schedule was @ #8 GTown (L), @ #16 Cornell (-W), Rutgers W, and then last three were home vs #1 Loyola, home vs #5 Syracuse and home vs #8 Princeton so I believe three final four teams in the last month and change. If not for the Cornell and Rutgers wins it would been a serious end of season slide against a brutal set of competition.

Georgetown University
Sat, Apr. 17, 1999 6:00 AM
at #8 Georgetown
Washington, D.C.
LOSS 10 - 14
Cornell University
Tue, Apr. 20, 1999 6:00 AM
at #16 Cornell
Ithaca, N.Y.
WIN 13 - 12
Rutgers University
Sat, Apr. 24, 1999 6:00 AM
vs Rutgers
Geneva, N.Y.
Boswell Field at David J Urick Stadium
WIN 17 - 12
Loyola University Maryland
Sat, May. 1, 1999 6:00 AM
vs #1 Loyola
Geneva, N.Y.
Boswell Field at David J Urick Stadium
LOSS 10 - 18
Syracuse University
Tue, May. 4, 1999 6:00 AM
vs #5 Syracuse
Geneva, N.Y.
Boswell Field at David J Urick Stadium
LOSS 7 - 10
Princeton University
Sat, May. 8, 1999 6:00 AM
at #8 Princeton
Princeton, N.J.
LOSS 8 - 16
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Trumansburger wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:32 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:31 am
I love this matchup because it makes me think of Urick V Cuse as a upstate and Hobart guy.
Yep, but I'm thinking of the 1999 Urick coached Georgetown team that beat Syracuse in the regular season but lost the rematch in the NCAA Final Four. I like Georgetown's chances this weekend.
Or the last seven seconds (I think it was about then) goal by Cuse to beat the very good 2004 Georgetown team in the second round of the NCAA playoffs with Merrill covering Mikey Powell! Low-scoring game, Georgetown had the lead but gave up the last two goals. Cuse went on to win the championship that season.
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random observer wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:55 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:13 am
DMac wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:02 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:07 am
HGK25 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:20 pm 5 seed and draw Cuse. Not exactly any favor from the committee. Should be an electric atmosphere at UMD for the Saturday nightcap. Gotta beat good teams in May either way and this will be a great test for the Hoyas.
Have you seen Cuse this year? Notre Dame could have hung 30 on them.
Yup, Cuse has been spanked a couple of times this season, has shown up for some games and not so much for others.
Did you also see them play Duke to within one? Spank Virginia twice, once to the tune of by ten goals? Underestimate Cuse in the post season at your own peril, Mr. Brown.


Normally I’d never underestimate Cuse. The aura on top of great talent means they can always go deep in May.

But this year something is off. Way off. Their blowout losses were ugly. Really ugly. And Georgetown looks in many ways exactly like ND.

Furthermore, the Cuse captains seemingly overriding Desko on the Scanlon mess is beyond odd, and potentially very disruptive. I think there will come a day soon when that captain-coach split results in another very ugly loss. It’ll be one of their next two games.
Way off base on Desko and the captains. They have all emphatically and publicly shown support for him. DMac is right; Desko's hands were tied, so the captains took action. There was no split or disagreement between Desko and the players.
I am not sure about that. Of course the captains need to stick up for their coach. But, they way Desko handled that was embarrassing for a seasoned coach.
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Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:13 am
DMac wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:02 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:07 am
HGK25 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:20 pm 5 seed and draw Cuse. Not exactly any favor from the committee. Should be an electric atmosphere at UMD for the Saturday nightcap. Gotta beat good teams in May either way and this will be a great test for the Hoyas.
Have you seen Cuse this year? Notre Dame could have hung 30 on them.
Yup, Cuse has been spanked a couple of times this season, has shown up for some games and not so much for others.
Did you also see them play Duke to within one? Spank Virginia twice, once to the tune of by ten goals? Underestimate Cuse in the post season at your own peril, Mr. Brown.


Normally I’d never underestimate Cuse. The aura on top of great talent means they can always go deep in May.

But this year something is off. Way off. Their blowout losses were ugly. Really ugly. And Georgetown looks in many ways exactly like ND.

Furthermore, the Cuse captains seemingly overriding Desko on the Scanlon mess is beyond odd, and potentially very disruptive. I think there will come a day soon when that captain-coach split results in another very ugly loss. It’ll be one of their next two games.
I think Georgetown is a final four team with a really good chance of beating both Syracuse and Virginia.

SU is a wild card. Some games they are great and some games they get blown out.

Georgetown plays one of the most complete games in the NCAA. Your team's defense and goalie play is the best the NCAA. I think Syracuse will struggle to score many goals. SU can beat Virginia because they know how to beat the UVA defense. You rank #2 in GAA vs. #47 for UVA.

Reilly and your wings should win more face offs and give your offense more chances to score. Syracuse ranks #54 in GAA with a 13.7 average. I think you can score 14+ goals against SU. I seriously doubt SU can score 14 goals against your defense and McElroy.

Rooting for Georgetown and the Big East!
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Urick
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March 4, 1995 #1 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 13-8
March 6, 1996 at #3 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 19-13
March 5, 1997 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. W, 14-9
May 2, 1998 at #6 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 14-11
May 8, 1999 #5 Syracuse Washington, D.C. W, 17-13
May 29, 1999 vs. #7 Syracuse & College Park, Md. L, 13-9 NCAA Semifinals
May 6, 2000 at #2 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 24-16
May 5, 2001 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 19-9
May 4, 2002 at #2 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 15-14
May 3, 2003 at #10 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 12-10
May 7, 2004 #4 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 13-9
May 23, 2004 vs. #4 Syracuse % Ithaca, N.Y. L, 8-7 NCAA Quarterfinals
March 12, 2005 vs. #5 Syracuse Los Angeles, Calif. W, 10-7
March 10, 2006 at #7 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. W, 10-8
March 10, 2007 #12 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 14-9
March 9, 2008 at #7 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 9-8 (ot2)
March 7, 2009 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 8-5
March 13, 2010 at #2 Syracuse * Syracuse, N.Y. L, 15-12
March 12, 2011 vs. #1 Syracuse * Baltimore, Md. L, 9-8 (ot)
April 21, 2012 at #15 Syracuse * Syracuse, N.Y. W, 10-8

Warne
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April 20, 2013 #5 Syracuse * Washington, D.C. L, 9-8
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rolldodge wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 12:47 pm Urick
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March 4, 1995 #1 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 13-8
March 6, 1996 at #3 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 19-13
March 5, 1997 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. W, 14-9
May 2, 1998 at #6 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 14-11
May 8, 1999 #5 Syracuse Washington, D.C. W, 17-13
May 29, 1999 vs. #7 Syracuse & College Park, Md. L, 13-9
May 6, 2000 at #2 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 24-16
May 5, 2001 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 19-9
May 4, 2002 at #2 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 15-14
May 3, 2003 at #10 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 12-10
May 7, 2004 #4 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 13-9
May 23, 2004 vs. #4 Syracuse % Ithaca, N.Y. L, 8-7
March 12, 2005 vs. #5 Syracuse Los Angeles, Calif. W, 10-7
March 10, 2006 at #7 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. W, 10-8
March 10, 2007 #12 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 14-9
March 9, 2008 at #7 Syracuse Syracuse, N.Y. L, 9-8 (ot2)
March 7, 2009 #2 Syracuse Washington, D.C. L, 8-5
March 13, 2010 at #2 Syracuse * Syracuse, N.Y. L, 15-12
March 12, 2011 vs. #1 Syracuse * Baltimore, Md. L, 9-8 (ot)
April 21, 2012 at #15 Syracuse * Syracuse, N.Y. W, 10-8

Warne
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April 20, 2013 #5 Syracuse * Washington, D.C. L, 9-8
Committee set up old conference nostalgia games. ECAC - Denver and Loyola. Big East - Syracuse and Georgetown
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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calourie wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 11:31 am
Hoya wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:50 am At first I thought we got a bit of a bad draw but then again, there are no bad teams in this tournament and with Covid you are a test away from going home anyway. With the conditions this year I'd like to get in at least one game where we punch an old rival in the face. This is it.
A 5 seed almost invariably draws a tough opponent. Who did you want? Drexel, Rutgers, Loyola again? I like the matchup. Should be a good game and show a lot about both teams.
I agree, gotta start somewhere might as well start with a rival.
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I would expect the Hoyas to be up for this game and come out and play hard from the start. If GU cuts down on the turnovers and failed clears and is patient on offense it will have a good shot at a W. In the second half of the DU game GU played a bit calmer, good looks on offense and wore DU down in the 4th Q.

Syracuse must be respected and I would hope that the lesson of the Loyola game will carry over into this one -- any good team can beat you on an given day...
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Syracuse must be respected ON THE FIELD. Let me offer some guidance on how to greet Syracuse.

https://www.collegecrosse.com/2017/4/5/ ... lent-start
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For those curious about the SU injury report:

- Cuse lost it's second best guy at close D, Nick DiPietro (#44), before the game with UNC. He is out for the season and we are feeling the loss. He was having a pretty great season before the injury. His replacement is Furman transfer Cole Horan (#15)

- They have played the last 3 or 4 games without their 2nd and 3rd best short stick d guys, Brandon Aviles (#43) and Dami Olodunmoye (#35), but Dami just came back for the Robert Morris game. There is a chance Aviles will miss the GTown game as well, but he has been described as "close to coming back" for the last two games. Dearth (#9) Aviles and Dami are all solid, but there is a drop off in experience and skill after that.

- We have also been playing without our 2nd best LSM Landon Clary (#30) since early in the season. He is out with a season ending injury and was replaced by Brett Barlow (#41) who has gone between short stick and longpole in his career and is a solid backup.

-Our arguably 4th best middie, Jacob Buttermore (#31), has been having an unhealthy year and will almost definitely miss the GTown game.

- And if you have been living under a rock when it comes to lax news, starting attack Chase Scanlan is gone and he ain't coming back, but replacement Owen Seebold (#14) is far from a slouch and has looked great recently. The only problem is we moved him from the second middie line to make it happen. Now the only major threat on the 2nd line is Lucas Quinn (#26) who plays alongside two converted attack, Griffin Cook (#2) and true freshman Liam Ferris (#20). Cook has done nothing statistically but he does have some dangerous speed and quickness and could be due for a break out game.

- I am looking forward to an old big east matchup. Should be a fun time.
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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Total beat down of the Cuse tonight.GU looked much more athletic that SU, and the skill level was also better across the board.This is a very dangerous team, with Hess adding an extra dimension. If UVA beats Bryant I think it will be a very good matchup.

The D middies played great with Geddes seeing limited time due to injury. With a week of rest hopefully he can contribute more next week.

The O has so many weapons with Hess and MCDermott coming on the past few games. It makes Carraway all the more dangerous now.
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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The emergence of the midfield as a scoring threat makes this Hoya team a legit threat to win the national championship. Pick your poison, do you give a little more space for the attack to roam so you can give help on the midfield? Do you lock down the attack and let the midfield take runs at the goal? No good answers there.
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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hoyas looked very good, of course.
their confidence level was palpable.
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Re: Georgetown 2021

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Good point regarding the emergence of the midfield. McDermott has improved his accuracy the past few games; Bundy has been passing well after drawing a slide; and Petkevich has added another dimension after moving from attack. And on top of all that you have Hess as a two-way middle who does it all - he can score in transition and from any area on offense. The opposition has a difficult choice in deciding who to pole with this group.

Hopefully Geddes is back healthy as GU will need him against UVA. Godine and Leary did great against SU - perhaps this is why the SU first midfield was quiet aside from Trimboli’s late spurt. Geddes will help hopefully against the UVA ride, and on the middle who Mazzone does not guard.
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