Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[youthathletics]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

[old salt]

SW Border Encounters (by FY) from US CBP
Trump
2017 -- 303.916
2018 -- 396,579
2019 -- 851,508
2020 -- 400.651
Biden
2021 -- 1,734,686
2022 -- 2,378,994
2023 -- 2,475,669

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/ ... erm=second

The border, however, is even more damning. Biden took a situation that was under control, blew it up, refused to readjust when the consequences became obvious, insisted that the crisis wasn’t a crisis as it began to be felt all over the country, and engaged in implausible blame-shifting — all because he was beholden to a new, radical ideology hostile to borders as such.

This wasn’t moderate, competent — or normal.

[Kismet]

This wasn’t moderate, competent — or normal.

Sounds just like YOU - not moderate, competent or normal.

[cradleandshoot]

SW Border Encounters (by FY) from US CBP
Trump
2017 -- 303.916
2018 -- 396,579
2019 -- 851,508
2020 -- 400.651
Biden
2021 -- 1,734,686
2022 -- 2,378,994
2023 -- 2,475,669

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/03/ ... erm=second

The border, however, is even more damning. Biden took a situation that was under control, blew it up, refused to readjust when the consequences became obvious, insisted that the crisis wasn’t a crisis as it began to be felt all over the country, and engaged in implausible blame-shifting — all because he was beholden to a new, radical ideology hostile to borders as such.

This wasn’t moderate, competent — or normal.

And at the end of the day he wants to blame Trump for his fugg up thinking that nobody is paying attention.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3d15vVP ... BiNWFlZA==

[MDlaxfan76]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

[youthathletics]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

[MDlaxfan76]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

Nope, we've said that securing the border and all ports of entry is highly important re fentanyl...it's just not the asylum seekers who are the problem. Sorry if that's too nuanced for you. Most is coming through legal ports of entry and carried by American transport...we need technology to address this much better, faster, so that clean loads get through quickly, dirty get caught...and that's what was in the bill MAGA balked at getting done.

Stop whining MAGA and contribute to solutions. Lankford did...

[PizzaSnake]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

Nope, we've said that securing the border and all ports of entry is highly important re fentanyl...it's just not the asylum seekers who are the problem. Sorry if that's too nuanced for you. Most is coming through legal ports of entry and carried by American transport...we need technology to address this much better, faster, so that clean loads get through quickly, dirty get caught...and that's what was in the bill MAGA balked at getting done.

Stop whining MAGA and contribute to solutions. Lankford did...

The issue is more valuable to some than any solution.

[youthathletics]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

Nope, we've said that securing the border and all ports of entry is highly important re fentanyl...it's just not the asylum seekers who are the problem. Sorry if that's too nuanced for you. Most is coming through legal ports of entry and carried by American transport...we need technology to address this much better, faster, so that clean loads get through quickly, dirty get caught...and that's what was in the bill MAGA balked at getting done.

Stop whining MAGA and contribute to solutions. Lankford did...

You crack me up.....first admit you have been preaching how wrong we all were, then after Biden says what we have been saying last night, your tune changes; how convenient of you to pivot without acknowledging your mistake. It's okay to admit you overplayed your hand or you could say Biden was wrong.....which one is it?

[cradleandshoot]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

Nope, we've said that securing the border and all ports of entry is highly important re fentanyl...it's just not the asylum seekers who are the problem. Sorry if that's too nuanced for you. Most is coming through legal ports of entry and carried by American transport...we need technology to address this much better, faster, so that clean loads get through quickly, dirty get caught...and that's what was in the bill MAGA balked at getting done.

Stop whining MAGA and contribute to solutions. Lankford did...

The issue is more valuable to some than any solution.

As is always the case. You can't run for reelection on a problem that has been solved. You can run for reelection promising to fix whatever is broken. That promise of course does not actually obligate you to fix anything.

[MDlaxfan76]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Rather than fighting with me over the argument.

why fight? Pass the darn bill, the most conservative policy set and largest increase in funding in decades. Get those 100 new machines to detect fentanyl....now.

The GOP should do so and declare victory, but they're too stupid, too cowardly, bowing and scraping to Trump....w ho is too stupid and venal to figure out the mess he puts them and the country in.

Want to pass another bill after that, make the case, earn the votes.

Well....you and your friends around here keep telling us its no big deal, and the drugs are coming from other places or even through legal POE. Maybe you can send a letter to Biden and tell him that he is also wrong....and why you are correct.

Nope, we've said that securing the border and all ports of entry is highly important re fentanyl...it's just not the asylum seekers who are the problem. Sorry if that's too nuanced for you. Most is coming through legal ports of entry and carried by American transport...we need technology to address this much better, faster, so that clean loads get through quickly, dirty get caught...and that's what was in the bill MAGA balked at getting done.

Stop whining MAGA and contribute to solutions. Lankford did...

You crack me up.....first admit you have been preaching how wrong we all were, then after Biden says what we have been saying last night, your tune changes; how convenient of you to pivot without acknowledging your mistake. It's okay to admit you overplayed your hand or you could say Biden was wrong.....which one is it?

Show me where I EVER said fentanyl was not a serious issue.
For god's sake, our family lost a 25 year old to fentanyl.

What you can't seem to get through your noggin is that focusing on the migrants is a distraction when battling fentanyl access...I've numerous times over the years explained my view that we need much more technology to combat this scourge...along with better addiction help and other measures.

Focus on how and where the fentanyl comes through, legal ports of entry, and choke it off...but without the detection technology most will continue to get through.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

[a fan]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Where did he say this? Got a cite?

And you realize your (and FoxNation's) assertion is specific: that it's coming over with migrants walking up from Venezuela.

One person at a time. THAT was the sales pitch.

[cradleandshoot]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Where did he say this? Got a cite?

And you realize your (and FoxNation's) assertion is specific: that it's coming over with migrants walking up from Venezuela.

One person at a time. THAT was the sales pitch.

Nobody seems to know how it is getting into our country. Maybe these drug cartel folks have a magic wand. They wave it and poof a skid of fentanyl winds up in a warehouse in Bayonne NJ. to be distributed to college students everywhere.

[PizzaSnake]

Maybe the fan lax libs and mdlax will believe Biden, as he discusses all the Fentanyl coming across our border and wanting to combat it.

Where did he say this? Got a cite?

And you realize your (and FoxNation's) assertion is specific: that it's coming over with migrants walking up from Venezuela.

One person at a time. THAT was the sales pitch.

Yeah, through the Darién Gap.

[cradleandshoot]

Joe Biden got his ass chewed out for referring to Lakens murderer as being an illegal immigrant. His party set his ass strait. That's UNDOCUMENTED Joe ... UNDOCUMENTED fer cryin out loud... UNDOCUMENTED!!!! How many times do we have to tell you?

[Brooklyn]

Thousands Boycott Tyson Foods Amid Plan To Hire 42,000 Asylum Seekers In New York


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tho ... ccounter=1


Angry campaigners are urging shoppers to boycott Tyson Foods and its products amid its new move to hire thousands of asylum seekers. The food company has shut down more of its poultry and meat plants across the U.S., including facilities in Iowa, Virginia, and Arkansas, which employed over 2,000 people.

Tyson Foods has recently hired dozens of immigrants, with the offer including immigration lawyers. The boycott is motivated by the fear that immigrants are replacing Americans for low-grade jobs. Statistics have also shown that there's a significant decrease in the number of native-born Americans in the blue-collar workforce.


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This is why so many illegals cross the border: because profit greedy capitalists hire them at minimum wages in order to maximize profits. In only the government would prosecute those corporate fat cats the problems of illegals entering the borders would be solved overnight. But since when does the government go after elite and privileged RepubliCONs?

[youthathletics]

Make it make sense. So now the Biden Admin is telling us, out loud, the want this to continue?

Hope and trust the surgery went well, and that you are resting comfortably, YA.

I am really doubtful I can make this make sense to you. But it makes sense. First, immigration policy is largely if not completely a federal issue, committed to the federal government under the Constitution. States rolling out their own regimes of criminal enforcement risks dividing the power by the number of states that share a border with a foreign nation. The Biden Administration is mostly saying here that Congress and the Executive Branch are committed by the Constitution to work together and cooperatively to create and impose policy on border and immigration matters.

Here is the Solicitor General's filing, asking the Court to stay enforcement of SB4:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ ... rected.pdf

The application for the stay (really, an order vacating the Fifth Circuit Order which of course lawlessly vacated the district court stay) required a showing that the Texas law was somehow legal or constitutionally infirm:

"On the merits, SB4 is both field and conflict preempted. This Court has long recognized that the regulation of entry and removal of noncitizens is inseparably intertwined with the conduct of foreign relations and thus vested “solely in the Federal Government.” Truax v. Raich, 239 U.S. 33, 42 (1915). In the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., Congress has created a comprehensive regime governing the admission and removal of noncitizens. And because the federal government has fully occupied the field of entry and removal, even “complementary state regulation” is preempted. See Arizona, 567 U.S. at 401. Just as Arizona could not “add a state-law penalty” for failure to comply with the INA’s registration requirements, Texas may not impose state law criminal penalties for violations of federal entry and reentry provisions and may not implement state-law “decision[s] on removability.” Id. at 409. Those matters are committed to the National Government because, inter alia, they “touch on foreign relations.” Id. at 401, 409. Indeed, because entry and removal are so central to federal immigration authority, the preemptive force of federal law is even plainer in this case than it was in Arizona."

Alito granted the relief sought by the United States. So federal law preempts Texas law in this particular sphere. It's actually pretty clear and my guess is that Abbott and Paxton both understand this, but need to spend time performing their unlawful antics to a thirsty and less-informed audience.

The Constitution imposes duties on the national government, many of which are cooperative. This is part of why Red v. Blue intransigence -- and the total demonization of "working across the aisle" wrought by our current environment -- is killing the country.

Seacoaster....thank you for the explanation, what you say above makes sense, BUT, it is my understanding that Texas SB4 is in essence a mirror of what is already on the books and the responsibility of the Feds. Meaning, they (TX) are just doing the job on behalf of the Feds who are NOT holding up their legal portion and responsibility It's like the Feds are arguing with themselves just to buy time and accomplish whatever it is they are trying to do.

The states simply don't have the authority to act as the federal government without the direction of the federal government. Period.

It's just posturing for the cameras, all politics not policy, and certainly no respect for the rule of law.

And that's regardless of what one feels about the federal government, Congress, the Administration et al.

IS it really posturing or doing the right thing? I am really suprised to hear you say Texas and all border states need to just sit there quietly and take it up the ass b/c the Feds choose to make a states life a living hell. This letter, which also refers back to the Founders, makes it rather clear. https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/pre ... 4.2024.pdf

So my question back to you and Seacoaster.....WHY?

Why did this Admin 'intentionally' make matters worse AND at the same time continue to lie to gaslight the entire US as if they ARE doing something? What is it they are doing that they can not say out loud?

Is it for (potential blue) votes?
Is it for population growth, as we are in decline?
Is it for increased tax revenue?
Is it just another place for deficit spending to keep us from hitting a recession floor?
IS it all the above and they just can not say it our loud?

YA, I have tried to answer the question you originally posed: why would the DOJ try to keep Texas from implementing and enforcing SB4. I'll stick to my answer; fragmented, non-unitary enforcement is both unconstitutional and a recipe for disaster as the states roll out ragged, piecemeal methods of enforcement. The Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government have to together solve or manage the issues.

Your new questions are the ones I have tried to avoid, freighted as they are with election-intensified Blue v. Red politics. We know -- we observed with our own eyes -- the deal struck in the name of some kind of consensus, which was derailed by a candidate for office who needs the issue either boiling over, or needs a concession from Biden to reinstall the Trump-era immigration policies like Title 42 (which let federal officials rapidly expel unauthorized migrants to Mexico under the Covid-19 emergency) or the “Remain in Mexico” program (which required most asylum-seekers to wait out their cases in Mexico). These proved to be lawyer full employment policies, as they were attacked from every angle by lawyers working on migrant and migration issues. You know that Biden isn't going to do that without some concession to his administration. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, we seem to have gaslighting on this by everyone, irrespective of party.

Appreciate that you 'understand' the crux of my recent conversation/questions. I have not blaming Joe or red vs blue what so ever in this discussion,. We all agree it has been with us for decades......so WHY? What is the dirty little secret 'they' keep from us all? There has to be something more than just political gamesmanship each election cycle for this really simple task to go unresolved for 40+years.

Your last sentence is in tune with with me, like A440 perfectly.

Maybe I should be on the Supreme Court.

[jhu72]

Federal judge rules in favor of gun ownership for undocumented immigrants.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Federal judge rules in favor of gun ownership for undocumented immigrants.