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a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
And of course the whole athletic department is non-teaching. Obviously superfluous.
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Right wing press demoing why they are not comparable to the MSM. Again
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:09 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
And of course the whole athletic department is non-teaching. Obviously superfluous.
I don't know, got to teach a 1 credit P.E. class as a college coach. One of the few college professors without a PhD :lol:
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
Let's start with cutting those pesky career development departments. Students shouldn't need to take vocational and career aptitude tests to help direct them into potential life directions. Students should know if they want to be pilots by the time they're high school seniors.
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SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:41 am Students should know if they want to be pilots by the time they're high school seniors.
They should go to their local general aviation airport, take an introductory flight in a Cessana 152 & see if they like it & want to fly more, or if they're anxious or become airsick.

I thought it would be fun when I was 12, my uncle took me up in his Beech Bonanza, swiveled the crossover yoke over to me & showed me how to control the airplane. It was confirmed in the summer before my senior year at USNA when we all went to Pensacola for aviation indoc, & they put us in the cockpits of T-34's, T-28's & bubble Bell helos. That sealed the deal for me & a lot of other Mids who became Naval Aviators. It also convinced a lot of other Mids that it wasn't worth the extra years of service obligation & the risk (the Hanoi Hilton was then full of Naval Aviators).

If I was advising an aspiring pilot today, I'd recommend they go anywhere they can get a STEM heavy BS. They can train as a pilot at some universities & CC's where it's part of an undergrad curriculum, or apply for military pilot training, or pursue pilot trainiing after graduation.

Locally, I recommend 2 years in CCBC's aviation program, then seamlessly transfer to UMBC or College Park for a STEM BS.
https://www.ccbcmd.edu/Programs-and-Cou ... ining.aspx
(as you can see from CCBC's write up, no English majors involved).
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a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:27 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
Nobody is telling anybody what to do. We're not liberal socialists dictating what others must do.
We're exploring why undergrad costs have grown so much & if it's still worth the expense.
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"Nobody is telling anybody what to do."

Guess you haven't met Sam and Clarence and Neil. Laughable, as usual.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:11 pm "Nobody is telling anybody what to do."

Guess you haven't met Sam and Clarence and Neil. Laughable, as usual.
As usual
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:27 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
Nobody is telling anybody what to do. We're not liberal socialists dictating what others must do.
No, you're Republican socialists dead set on telling Americans that liberal are THE reason for anything, anywhere that's "bad".

It's idiotic, and tiring, and I can't wait for your brand of Republican socialism to leave American shores forever. It's destroying our nation, and keeping our Federal Government from functioning. Thank goodness this sh(t hasn't arrived in my home State, where the Republicans are actually conservative, and actually freaking adults who manage our great State without fanfare or TinFoilHats.

old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm We're exploring why undergrad costs have grown so much & if it's still worth the expense.
No, you aren't. If you were, you'd pick a school....ANY school....that wasn't THE largest Research University on the planet, for idiotic comparisons that are so clearly stupid that a piddly trade school grad like myself could immediately see that the author chose the school on purpose, knowing full well why there's so much Admin at the largest Research University on the planet, with no one in 2nd or 3rd place.

But please. try and tell me this was a think piece, searching for truth.
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a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:50 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:27 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
Nobody is telling anybody what to do. We're not liberal socialists dictating what others must do.
No, you're Republican socialists dead set on telling Americans that liberal are THE reason for anything, anywhere that's "bad".

It's idiotic, and tiring, and I can't wait for your brand of Republican socialism to leave American shores forever. It's destroying our nation, and keeping our Federal Government from functioning. Thank goodness this sh(t hasn't arrived in my home State, where the Republicans are actually conservative, and actually freaking adults who manage our great State without fanfare or TinFoilHats.

old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm We're exploring why undergrad costs have grown so much & if it's still worth the expense.
No, you aren't. If you were, you'd pick a school....ANY school....that wasn't THE largest Research University on the planet, for idiotic comparisons that are so clearly stupid that a piddly trade school grad like myself could immediately see that the author chose the school on purpose, knowing full well why there's so much Admin at the largest Research University on the planet, with no one in 2nd or 3rd place.

But please. try and tell me this was a think piece, searching for truth.
The NR author cited Yale. What's your excuse there ?

The second article was from a JHU Prof Emeritus.
What makes you think the APL or SAIS are included in that 7.5 number.
SAIS is located in DC. The APL is in Laurel MD.
Here's what wiki says about the APL :
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (or simply Applied Physics Laboratory, or APL) is a not-for-profit university-affiliated research center (UARC) in Howard County, Maryland. It is affiliated with Johns Hopkins University and employs 8,700 people as of 2024.[2] APL is the nation's largest UARC.[3]

The lab serves as a technical resource for the Department of Defense, NASA, and other government agencies. APL has developed numerous systems and technologies in the areas of air and missile defense, surface and undersea naval warfare, computer security, and space science and spacecraft construction.[4] While APL provides research and engineering services to the government, it is not a traditional defense contractor, as it is a UARC and a division of Johns Hopkins University.APL is a scientific and engineering research and development division, rather than an academic division, of Johns Hopkins.


Nor is there any reason to assume that either author included the STScl in their analysis.
It's co-located at Homewood but is a separate institution.
There's no reason their staff would be considered university administrators.
https://www.stsci.edu/who-we-are
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/astronomy ... ute-stsci/
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:11 pm "Nobody is telling anybody what to do."

Guess you haven't met Sam and Clarence and Neil. Laughable, as usual.
Since the topic is politicians telling people what to do... Do Sam, Clarence and Neil drive EVs? Pretty big nads there counselor whining about politicians telling people what they must do. So the moral of the story is...when your side tells people what to do that is all fine and dandy on your part. Now when the other team tells people what to do that is very bad indeed. Can you provide a list of the good things government makes us do and a list of the bad things government makes us do? I mean the audacity of some Americans thinking they have the right to purchase a gas stove. Good thing your party wants to take that choice away... to quote you... " Laughable as usual" :roll:

FTR my wife is enjoying her new gas stove. There was not a tear shed when that piece of chit electric stove was hauled off to the curb for scrap. 8-). So you gotta problem with that? Your party sure does. It's not like your party is telling people what to do. They are regulating as much as possible what they demand people do. Good when your team does it, bad when the other team does it.Got it!!!
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cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:35 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:11 pm "Nobody is telling anybody what to do."

Guess you haven't met Sam and Clarence and Neil. Laughable, as usual.
Since the topic is politicians telling people what to do... Do Sam, Clarence and Neil drive EVs? Pretty big nads there counselor whining about politicians telling people what they must do. So the moral of the story is...when your side tells people what to do that is all fine and dandy on your part. Now when the other team tells people what to do that is very bad indeed. Can you provide a list of the good things government makes us do and a list of the bad things government makes us do? I mean the audacity of some Americans thinking they have the right to purchase a gas stove. Good thing your party wants to take that choice away... to quote you... " Laughable as usual" :roll:

FTR my wife is enjoying her new gas stove. There was not a tear shed when that piece of chit electric stove was hauled off to the curb for scrap. 8-). So you gotta problem with that? Your party sure does. It's not like your party is telling people what to do. They are regulating as much as possible what they demand people do. Good when your team does it, bad when the other team does it.Got it!!!
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old salt wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:19 am
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:50 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:27 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
Nobody is telling anybody what to do. We're not liberal socialists dictating what others must do.
No, you're Republican socialists dead set on telling Americans that liberal are THE reason for anything, anywhere that's "bad".

It's idiotic, and tiring, and I can't wait for your brand of Republican socialism to leave American shores forever. It's destroying our nation, and keeping our Federal Government from functioning. Thank goodness this sh(t hasn't arrived in my home State, where the Republicans are actually conservative, and actually freaking adults who manage our great State without fanfare or TinFoilHats.

old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm We're exploring why undergrad costs have grown so much & if it's still worth the expense.
No, you aren't. If you were, you'd pick a school....ANY school....that wasn't THE largest Research University on the planet, for idiotic comparisons that are so clearly stupid that a piddly trade school grad like myself could immediately see that the author chose the school on purpose, knowing full well why there's so much Admin at the largest Research University on the planet, with no one in 2nd or 3rd place.

But please. try and tell me this was a think piece, searching for truth.
The NR author cited Yale. What's your excuse there ?
That "the libs' showed up about five years ago, and ruined Hopkins and Yale, just like you and the brilliant author claimed.

Good thing conservatives like you are in charge of the US military, where there is no admin. bloat, no waste or fraud, and they pass accounting audits with no trouble at all.
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old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:34 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:41 am Students should know if they want to be pilots by the time they're high school seniors.
They should go to their local general aviation airport, take an introductory flight in a Cessana 152 & see if they like it & want to fly more, or if they're anxious or become airsick.

I thought it would be fun when I was 12, my uncle took me up in his Beech Bonanza, swiveled the crossover yoke over to me & showed me how to control the airplane. It was confirmed in the summer before my senior year at USNA when we all went to Pensacola for aviation indoc, & they put us in the cockpits of T-34's, T-28's & bubble Bell helos. That sealed the deal for me & a lot of other Mids who became Naval Aviators. It also convinced a lot of other Mids that it wasn't worth the extra years of service obligation & the risk (the Hanoi Hilton was then full of Naval Aviators).

If I was advising an aspiring pilot today, I'd recommend they go anywhere they can get a STEM heavy BS. They can train as a pilot at some universities & CC's where it's part of an undergrad curriculum, or apply for military pilot training, or pursue pilot trainiing after graduation.

Locally, I recommend 2 years in CCBC's aviation program, then seamlessly transfer to UMBC or College Park for a STEM BS.
https://www.ccbcmd.edu/Programs-and-Cou ... ining.aspx
(as you can see from CCBC's write up, no English majors involved).

My son had his pilots license before he graduated HS and went to Embrey Riddle for 2 years. I remember watching him fly his first solo flight when he was 17. I was excited and scared all at the same time. He earned his multi engine and instructor rating and having flown with him he is a damn fine pilot.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:47 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 7:35 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:11 pm "Nobody is telling anybody what to do."

Guess you haven't met Sam and Clarence and Neil. Laughable, as usual.
Since the topic is politicians telling people what to do... Do Sam, Clarence and Neil drive EVs? Pretty big nads there counselor whining about politicians telling people what they must do. So the moral of the story is...when your side tells people what to do that is all fine and dandy on your part. Now when the other team tells people what to do that is very bad indeed. Can you provide a list of the good things government makes us do and a list of the bad things government makes us do? I mean the audacity of some Americans thinking they have the right to purchase a gas stove. Good thing your party wants to take that choice away... to quote you... " Laughable as usual" :roll:

FTR my wife is enjoying her new gas stove. There was not a tear shed when that piece of chit electric stove was hauled off to the curb for scrap. 8-). So you gotta problem with that? Your party sure does. It's not like your party is telling people what to do. They are regulating as much as possible what they demand people do. Good when your team does it, bad when the other team does it.Got it!!!
You don’t cook?
My wife is Italian. I love to cook but the kitchen is her domain. I do make her duck egg sammich every Sunday morning. She does love my Rueben sammiches and my strawberry roll ups. I also make a mean chili. One good thing about our new gas stove you can adjust the heat by looking at the flame. You could put a can of soup on our old electric stove and put it on simmer and it would take 8 hours to get the soup to luke warm. Gas stoves rock. :D
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a fan wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:01 am
old salt wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2024 5:19 am
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:50 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 10:27 am
old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:57 am
a fan wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:28 pm
jhu72 wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:25 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 03, 2024 10:30 pm https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/04/ ... term=first

Why Colleges Are Dying
...bullsh*t! You cannot find 7.5 administrators per professor without counting the non-teaching portions of JHU, which is totally bogus. The university includes the Applied Physics Lab which has no or at most a handful of professors, has lots of administrators. The university includes the Space Telescope Science Institute (STSci) again no or few professors, lots of administrators. I suspect the Yale numbers equally bullsh*t!

This are article is bullsh*t and National Review is trash, as bad as The National Enquirer. :roll: :roll:
Aaaaaaand JHU figured it in about a millisecond.
Aaaaand you guys really know what you're talking about. :roll:

:lol: Maybe it's all those Life Coaches at Homewood. (from a Hopkins Prof Emeritus)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/03/03 ... ommentary/

The growth of “student services” has contributed more substantially to the spread of the bureaucratic domain. By providing opportunities for “personal growth” outside the classroom, support staff can stake out a territorial claim independent of faculty expertise. They can defend their role in the maturation of undergraduates on the reasonable premise that the development of a well-rounded person requires more than exposure to lectures and seminars. At Hopkins, the administration offers to assign “life coaches” to undergraduates and provides them with exercises in “life design” to prepare them for life after commencement. Alumni contributions are solicited so that students can be sent to Wall Street to learn about life in high finance.
So now you think that we get to tell a Privately owned University how to spend its money? They can blow the money on cocaine and hookers for all I care.

How about we talk about military bloat, since this seems to bother you so much. How many freaking Generals do we have these days? 800? 900? Where's your wise, thrifty National Review on that?

How many pointless administrators does your DoD have, OS? Administrators that are so incompetent, that that can't pass a freaking audit, and can't tell taxpayers where "their stuff" is?

You don't care. Why? Because you can't blame it "on the libs". So it doesn't matter to you. :roll:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... er-enlist/
Nobody is telling anybody what to do. We're not liberal socialists dictating what others must do.
No, you're Republican socialists dead set on telling Americans that liberal are THE reason for anything, anywhere that's "bad".

It's idiotic, and tiring, and I can't wait for your brand of Republican socialism to leave American shores forever. It's destroying our nation, and keeping our Federal Government from functioning. Thank goodness this sh(t hasn't arrived in my home State, where the Republicans are actually conservative, and actually freaking adults who manage our great State without fanfare or TinFoilHats.

old salt wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 8:59 pm We're exploring why undergrad costs have grown so much & if it's still worth the expense.
No, you aren't. If you were, you'd pick a school....ANY school....that wasn't THE largest Research University on the planet, for idiotic comparisons that are so clearly stupid that a piddly trade school grad like myself could immediately see that the author chose the school on purpose, knowing full well why there's so much Admin at the largest Research University on the planet, with no one in 2nd or 3rd place.

But please. try and tell me this was a think piece, searching for truth.
The NR author cited Yale. What's your excuse there ?
That "the libs' showed up about five years ago, and ruined Hopkins and Yale, just like you and the brilliant author claimed.

Good thing conservatives like you are in charge of the US military, where there is no admin. bloat, no waste or fraud, and they pass accounting audits with no trouble at all.
:lol: ...you didn't just move the goalposts, you moved the whole playing field.

The hollowing out of our universities didn't start 5 years ago.
The hippies who ran the ROTC off the campuses in the '60's & '70's rose to power decades ago.

Why is the rest of the world begging to buy our weapons systems & to host our trainers on how to use them ?
Would you prefer Blackwater or the Wagner Group, or are you & Bernie's & AOC's socialist peoples army going to defend us ?
Start out by securing our southern border.

Purdue can do it. They're a great STEM school & also have an Aero curriculum that can include pilot training.
https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/release ... plans.html
https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/ ... nal-flight
...pretty good b-ball team too.
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It would be nice if you and the right wing knew the meaning of the word socialism you misuse so much.

Apparently you do not understand financing a university. I als think tuition boosts have gotten out of hand.

Your comment about the 60’s and ROTC is also off target. What are you basing your talking points on?

I remember being at a Hopkins Navy lacrosse game sometime around 2010 or so. 5 mids are walking by me. One said “ What has Hopkins ever done for the country.”
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old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am :lol: ...you didn't just move the goalposts, you moved the whole playing field.
Nope. I'm mocking YOU and your National Review buddy for doing precisely what I told you you were doing, yet claimed you aren't.

You're telling us that American Unis are horrible because the libs are ruining them.
old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am The hollowing out of our universities didn't start 5 years ago.
The hippies who ran the ROTC off the campuses in the '60's & '70's rose to power decades ago.
Oh yeah, those crazy hippies who can think for themselves, and don't just say "yes sir" when America invades YET ANOTHER pointless country that does NOTHING to advance America. What horrible people they were, OS! You can't question our government, OS! You have to do what they say, and thinking for yourself is bad!

So happy you've figured it out. We need to go back to the pre-hippie era, where guys like you and I didn't have compete against women, Jewish folk, gays, or, well, pretty much anyone who wasn't a white male Christian. The Universities were all ours, and we didn't have to worry about anyone who thought differently. Because difference is bad, and
old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am Why is the rest of the world begging to buy our weapons systems & to host our trainers on how to use them ?
Because the American taxpayer pumps TRILLIONS of dollars into R&D. You know: the money that you hilariously claimed Putin doesn't need.

Money that goes to places like Yale and Hopkins. You know: the topic of discussion. Moving the goalposts, my *ss.


Why is the rest of the world begging to attend American Universities if they suck so bad, OS? Or better yet: why aren't they lining up to attend halfwit conservative colleges like Liberty U?

old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am Would you prefer Blackwater or the Wagner Group, or are you & Bernie's & AOC's socialist peoples army going to defend us ?
:lol: Yeah, I feel confident that I can personally defend America for the impending invasion from Canada and Mexico.

And you, naturally, you left out Trump off your list of Bernie and AOC. Remember him? The leader of YOUR party? What's his position on our non-stop POINTLESS wars that boomers have been fighting since WWII? Oh, that's right, he's with Bernie and AOC. You just can't bring yourself to lump them together because you think the magic R makes Trump different. :roll:
old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am Start out by securing our southern border.
Nope. We're gonna keep 'em open, so that guys like your boy Trump can enjoy cheap labor, and line his pockets with their work.
old salt wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 2:13 am Purdue can do it. They're a great STEM school & also have an Aero curriculum that can include pilot training.
:lol: You mean the University that's literally run by a actual former Communist? THAT school? Sweet. Nice choice, OS!

And I LOVE that you chose a Land Grant Government School, comrade. Run by the government. Professors are all government employees.

The socialism you claim to despise. :roll:
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