youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:28 pm
I’ve explained myself, rather clearly. Afan seems to comprehend my stance….
That’s not how I’m reading his comments.
That said, I disagree, and a whole lot of other Christians across a wide spectrum of Christian denominations disagree, that this reaction is just about the grift. It actually matters to many us that this particular grift and specific grifter are downright blasphemous.
I agree that giving bibles away is a positive opportunity for people to potentially have new opportunity to have a relationship with the divine, but this is the opposite of such an act of generous spirit.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Not to go on a religious tangent but are you more bothered by Muslim suicide bombers or WNC??
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Some Christians would consider it a positive thing if it get's bibles in the hands of more people, peaks their interest & makes it fashionable to look inside, even if some of them are white nationalists. I doubt they'll find the AntiChrist inside.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Not to go on a religious tangent but are you more bothered by Muslim suicide bombers or WNC??
This year?
In 2024, White supremacist, Christian Nationalists are a much bigger threat to America than are Islamic extremist suicide bombers. They are at the core of the Trump fascist ideology.
Even at the height of the foreign terrorist threat we were not in danger of losing our system of government. (Though some of our most left friends would argue that there was some danger in the loss of civil liberties). As a country we largely pulled together, not apart.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Some Christians would consider it a positive thing if it get's bibles in the hands of more people, peaks their interest & makes it fashionable to look inside, even if some of them are white nationalists. I doubt they'll find the AntiChrist inside.
You doubt that their idolatry of Trump is anti Christian?
What, do you think a Trump supporter who has never followed Christ will open this particular bible, because Trump sells it to them, and realize the error of their idolatry? Now that’s some wild gaslighting.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Some Christians would consider it a positive thing if it get's bibles in the hands of more people, peaks their interest & makes it fashionable to look inside, even if some of them are white nationalists. I doubt they'll find the AntiChrist inside.
You doubt that their idolatry of Trump is not anti Christian?
What, do you think a Trump supporter who has never followed Christ will open this particular bible, because Trump sells it to them, and realize the error of their idolatry? Now that’s some wild gaslighting.
So let me get this straight....you first criticize them regularly for following their leader, then when their leader promotes (even as grift) to these maga's, you then say they won't listen to him. Pick a lane why don't ya.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
~Livy
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Some Christians would consider it a positive thing if it get's bibles in the hands of more people, peaks their interest & makes it fashionable to look inside, even if some of them are white nationalists. I doubt they'll find the AntiChrist inside.
You doubt that their idolatry of Trump is not anti Christian?
What, do you think a Trump supporter who has never followed Christ will open this particular bible, because Trump sells it to them, and realize the error of their idolatry? Now that’s some wild gaslighting.
So let me get this straight....you first criticize them regularly for following their leader, then when their leader promotes (even as grift) to these maga's, you then say they won't listen to him. Pick a lane why don't ya.
They listen and follow his blasphemy, not Christ. Idolatry.
Twisting faith for profit and power on earth. Opposite of Christ’s teachings.
We've just spent the last three pages ostensibly debating whether the end justify the means. Some of us obviously think it does, some think not. I know where I stand. What's ironic is the Bible is all about trying to get people to the proper side of this type of discussion.
"How is saying ‘Christ is King’ antisemitic? The same way anything becomes antisemitic – when it is used for the purpose of expressing antisemitism. It’s like asking ‘how does a shovel become a murder weapon?’ When it is used to murder someone. This isn’t hard. A shovel is not innately a murder weapon. Saying ‘Christ is King’ is not innately antisemitic. It’s all about how a thing is used,” began Boreing."
Exactly; this is the case with the current social media use of DEI as the placeholder for the necessary bigotry associated with a position that a straight white man needs to hold for us to have confidence in whatever he is doing (piloting an aircraft, running the City of Baltimore, running the Department of Transportation, etc., etc., etc.
Has religion ever really been a universally galvanizing force? C'mon. It is -- from whatever direction it comes or name it is given or denomination it shows -- foisted upon us as "The Way," deviation from which means, you know, a forever in fire.
SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:16 am
We've just spent the last three pages ostensibly debating whether the end justify the means. Some of us obviously think it does, some think not. I know where I stand. What's ironic is the Bible is all about trying to get people to the proper side of this type of discussion.
"make not my Father's house a house of merchandise" - Jesus Christ according to John
SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:16 am
We've just spent the last three pages ostensibly debating whether the end justify the means. Some of us obviously think it does, some think not. I know where I stand. What's ironic is the Bible is all about trying to get people to the proper side of this type of discussion.
Good point.
If I thought someone purchasing this particular bible would read it and then realize how their prior slavish following of Trump was antithetical to Christ’s teaching and the 10 Commandments, and convert away from that blasphemous prior choice, then I’d see that as a silver lining to a scam that otherwise preys on the vulnerable. But not a justification for the scam.
However, I think the vast majority of purchases will be from people simply demonstrating their slavish loyalty to the Trump cult. Deepening their commitment to the cult.
In today’s reading we actually get to read one of the most amazing chapters of a different book—Psalm 91. Psalm 91 starts off with these familiar words:
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the LORD, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust!” (Verses 1-2)
And then Psalm 91 ends with these powerful words from God:
He will call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him and honor him. With long life I will satisfy him and let him see My salvation. (Verses 15-16)
It is an entire psalm of God’s protection on His children. Sandwiched in between these verses is specific protection from God’s angels, His army:
He will give His angels charge concerning you, to guard you in all your ways. They will bear you up in their hands, that you do not strike your foot against a stone. (Verses 11-12)
We find this psalm quoted in Luke 4, but what makes this crazy is the one who quotes it. Ready for this? Satan, the devil himself quotes the Bible—to Jesus, God Himself.
As we read today, Jesus is in the wilderness with the devil and He is fighting against the three temptations Satan throws at Him by quoting Scripture. Three times Jesus says, “It is written” to the devil. For the second temptation, Satan takes Jesus to the top of the temple and tempts Jesus to jump off the pinnacle and then complicates the temptation by quoting Psalm 91:
The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. For it is written: ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” (Verses 9-11, NIV)
A crazy temptation gets muddied when the devil quotes the Bible, which makes it seem justified. Satan says, “It is written” just as Jesus said it. The devil knows the Bible and that the devil quotes and uses and manipulates it is a very scary thought.
People don’t realize that nothing is off limits for Satan. His attacks are not always to tempt us with obvious things, like porn, alcohol, or drugs. He can use the Bible to try to get people to do things in the name of God, without God being anywhere near it.
Just because you have a Bible verse to back up your thoughts and actions may not mean that verse came from God. Could the devil have spoken a Verse to you?
He did to Jesus. Listen closely. How do you think cults get started. With just one verse that Satan manipulates and tempts people to believe. Where do cults get their beginning? With a Satanic interpretation of a Bible verse. Satan’s interpretation of Psalm 91 was that God wanted Jesus to jump off the highest point of the temple to show that God wouldn’t let Him fall, that His angels would catch Him. Nothing could be more of an abuse to a passage of Scripture than what Satan told Jesus.
He tried to get Jesus to do something based upon an isolated Scripture that wasn’t interpreted in light of the whole Bible.
Did you get that? It is not that the Bible is in contradiction, it is that our interpretations contradict the Bible. And the misinterpretation comes when we define a verse without understanding its context, when we define a verse isolated from the entire Bible’s intent.
Some years ago I was sitting with a young man in a Detroit diner who was convinced that Billy Graham and I were both going to hell if we were not baptized with a certain formula that his group said we had to be baptized with. For him salvation was built on a baptism formula instead of on the blood shed at Calvary. His religious group took a Bible passage and instead of adding all the other verses together, they jumped off into thin air. The very thing Jesus did not do.
Remember the issue in the wilderness temptation: It isn’t the Bible that contradicts itself, but our wrong interpretations that contradict the Bible.
Bible interpretation must be done with a number of things in view:
• Historical context
• Original languages
• Context
• Rest of the Bible (seeing the whole not just the one passage)
There are people who will take passages and find themselves jumping into thin air and will find no angels to catch their fall.
So here is what Jesus does in this scene: He interprets the Word with the Word. Many times we interpret the Word with books. The Bible interprets the Bible.
So what does all this mean to you and me?
First, nothing is off-limits to Satan. He will use holy things and pervert them. The Bible is not out of bounds; Satan is no respecter of persons. Think about it, he quoted God’s Word to Jesus, not to some new convert. He will pervert passages and preachers and churches. Nothing is safe when the devil is around.
Second, we must live by the whole Bible not a verse. People have done crazy things based on one verse and have failed to enrich themselves and
others.
Satan can use an “out of context” Bible verse to get us to do something out of God’s will. Out of context is out of God’s will. Be prepared and be alert to the devil’s schemes.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Not to go on a religious tangent but are you more bothered by Muslim suicide bombers or WNC??
This year?
In 2024, White supremacist, Christian Nationalists are a much bigger threat to America than are Islamic extremist suicide bombers. They are at the core of the Trump fascist ideology.
Even at the height of the foreign terrorist threat we were not in danger of losing our system of government. (Though some of our most left friends would argue that there was some danger in the loss of civil liberties). As a country we largely pulled together, not apart.
I think your more confused than you realize. How many WNC have strapped on suicide vests and blown up innocent people? Your so asleep at the switch your clueless how many bad actors actually want to kill Americans just like you. I understand your kin folk owned slaves, abused slaves, raped slaves and maybe even murdered slaves. It is no wonder your white guilt torments you still to this day. You ain't just whistling Dixie.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
In fact, Fascism operates differently today, which is why its definition is in flux once more. As in Viktor Orban's Hungary, right-wing one-party states have given way to "electoral autocracies" in which elections continue but threat and detentions, voter suppression, and domestication of the media produce the results the leader needs to stay in office.
Orban’s name for his governance, “illiberal democracy,” is his way of escaping the Fascist label. Yet there are profound continuities between the policies and platforms of leaders like Orban and those of historic Fascists, from personality cults to racist demographic policies designed to protect "White Christian civilization,” to antisemitism and persecution of LGBTQ populations.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Not to go on a religious tangent but are you more bothered by Muslim suicide bombers or WNC??
This year?
In 2024, White supremacist, Christian Nationalists are a much bigger threat to America than are Islamic extremist suicide bombers. They are at the core of the Trump fascist ideology.
Even at the height of the foreign terrorist threat we were not in danger of losing our system of government. (Though some of our most left friends would argue that there was some danger in the loss of civil liberties). As a country we largely pulled together, not apart.
I think your more confused than you realize. How many WNC have strapped on suicide vests and blown up innocent people? Your so asleep at the switch your clueless how many bad actors actually want to kill Americans just like you. I understand your kin folk owned slaves, abused slaves, raped slaves and maybe even murdered slaves. It is no wonder your white guilt torments you still to this day. You ain't just whistling Dixie.
Why the gross, personal attack?
As I’ve shared previously, I don’t feel any responsibility for the actions of others, familial or not. I’m accountable for the morality of my own actions.
Second, in no way am I dismissing any particular danger or horror.
You asked a relative question and I answered straight forwardly and explained my reasoning.
If you have some reason why you are more concerned with foreign terrorists, fine by me. At the moment, I’m not.
And yes, there have been mass casualty bombings and many mass casualty shootings citing white Christian nationalism ideology and hate…in America in the last 15 years, many more casualties from this source than from foreign terrorists. And in the last 100 years, the casualties dwarf foreign, including 9-11.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Some Christians would consider it a positive thing if it get's bibles in the hands of more people, peaks their interest & makes it fashionable to look inside, even if some of them are white nationalists. I doubt they'll find the AntiChrist inside.
You doubt that their idolatry of Trump is anti Christian?
What, do you think a Trump supporter who has never followed Christ will open this particular bible, because Trump sells it to them, and realize the error of their idolatry? Now that’s some wild gaslighting.
So since when have Christians been given any props on this forum?? I know in the holy roller southern baptist church when your born again all of your sins and degenerate morals will be forgiven by God once you have been born again. In the Catholic Church of my upbringing you had to go to confession every week. Bless me father for I have sinned it was easy peasy to get gods forgiveness. 20 Hail Marys and 20 Our Fathers could get your ass out of practically moral dilemma imaginable.
I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
Seriously, I can hardly imagine an act, or actor, who would more grossly discredit Christianity. This is a straightforward appeal to American Christian Nationalism, with Trump the anointed Savior. It's sacrilegious, blasphemous, and oh yeah, blatantly "political"...AND a grift of the suckers. And yup, opposite of Jesus' preaching.
Yes, you're the sole arbiter of who can be a Christian.
Do you also question Lee Greenwood's faith ? His name's on those bibles too.
I spent some time with him on a USO Xmas tour in 1987.
He's the genuine article.
No, I’m not saying someone can’t be Christian. Where the heck are you getting that?
I’m saying, as a Christian, that this act and specific person are blasphemous and sacrilegious, along with being massive cons. Christians are certainly not immune to being conned and we certainly aren’t immune from sin and all sorts of temptations.
Trump is preying on the vulnerable, leading them away from Jesus, as much of an AntiChrist as I pray we’ll ever witness.
To your question about Greenwood, if he’s taking any money from this then I’ll indeed question his faithfulness. But I haven’t read that he is…but maybe it’s fame…or ego…but maybe it’s just a misguided, but altruistic effort. My hunch is one of the former, but I don’t know.
Trump, however, is in it for the money, for sure, and also as clarion call to Christian Nationalists, a substantial part of his fascist base.
Not to go on a religious tangent but are you more bothered by Muslim suicide bombers or WNC??
This year?
In 2024, White supremacist, Christian Nationalists are a much bigger threat to America than are Islamic extremist suicide bombers. They are at the core of the Trump fascist ideology.
Even at the height of the foreign terrorist threat we were not in danger of losing our system of government. (Though some of our most left friends would argue that there was some danger in the loss of civil liberties). As a country we largely pulled together, not apart.
I think your more confused than you realize. How many WNC have strapped on suicide vests and blown up innocent people? Your so asleep at the switch your clueless how many bad actors actually want to kill Americans just like you. I understand your kin folk owned slaves, abused slaves, raped slaves and maybe even murdered slaves. It is no wonder your white guilt torments you still to this day. You ain't just whistling Dixie.
Why the gross, personal attack?
As I’ve shared previously, I don’t feel any responsibility for the actions of others, familial or not. I’m accountable for the morality of my own actions.
Second, in no way am I dismissing any particular danger or horror.
You asked a relative question and I answered straight forwardly and explained my reasoning.
If you have some reason why you are more concerned with foreign terrorists, fine by me. At the moment, I’m not.
Not a gross personal attack. Did you not state a while back that your kin folk owned slaves and profited from that ownership? Either they did or they didn't I'm only going by what you previously said on this forum. Maybe you can refine for all of us your families history in regards to slavery. I'm guessing you didn't think anyone would remember what you posted a long time ago. Anyhow you now have another opportunity to spin. In case you haven't been paying attention scooter there is a growing movement to make me pay reparations for the sins of YOUR kin folk. My kin folk were the ones in blue trying to kill your kin folk. I understand your white guilt. You should feel guilty. Nice try there trying to separate you personally from the sins and misconduct of your kin folk.
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I use to be a people person until people ruined that for me.
