Tewaaraton Award 2024

[coda]

I would, too, and that’s why I’m looking forward to seeing him versus Brandau. I just don’t think it’s going to a defenseman on a team that’s not having a great season. I guess his best position is LSM, but against UVA Ct he took face-off wings but covered Shellenberger. I assume he always covers the opposite team’s best player but is so good on gbs and has such a smooth stick that he runs a lot of lsm. Takes me back to hs coaching when my best defenseman was too good on gbs not to run both pole and close.

He is just a great watch. Good cover guy, GBs, great in transition. It won’t happen. Twaaraton is basically the Heisman, just replace QB with attackman

And I hear you and agree-Bart played them this year so I saw him with intention.

There’s another way to deal with this than perpetually complain about it being an A award of course. If we who all talk and complain focused on other awards and made
It known a that we collectively value other awards the market would hear that faster than them changing their mind as to approach on the T.

It’s not just lacrosse. Guys who score pts are always in the spotlight. So my comment is basically just an old man yelling at the clouds. Biggest reason is that is the easiest way to value a player. It’s like the freshmen this year. It’s all Duffy or Millon, but take a look at what Kilrain (hop Pole), Banks (Gtown pole), Jamison (Duke goalie leading ACC in save %), and Wambach (leading ACC in faceoff %) are doing

[Farfromgeneva]

I would, too, and that’s why I’m looking forward to seeing him versus Brandau. I just don’t think it’s going to a defenseman on a team that’s not having a great season. I guess his best position is LSM, but against UVA Ct he took face-off wings but covered Shellenberger. I assume he always covers the opposite team’s best player but is so good on gbs and has such a smooth stick that he runs a lot of lsm. Takes me back to hs coaching when my best defenseman was too good on gbs not to run both pole and close.

He is just a great watch. Good cover guy, GBs, great in transition. It won’t happen. Twaaraton is basically the Heisman, just replace QB with attackman

And I hear you and agree-Bart played them this year so I saw him with intention.

There’s another way to deal with this than perpetually complain about it being an A award of course. If we who all talk and complain focused on other awards and made
It known a that we collectively value other awards the market would hear that faster than them changing their mind as to approach on the T.

It’s not just lacrosse. Guys who score pts are always in the spotlight. So my comment is basically just an old man yelling at the clouds. Biggest reason is that is the easiest way to value a player. It’s like the freshmen this year. It’s all Duffy or Millon, but take a look at what Kilrain (hop Pole), Banks (Gtown pole), Jamison (Duke goalie leading ACC in save %), and Wambach (leading ACC in faceoff %) are doing

Jameison is a revelation. I just don’t think this year is the standout one like guys such as Brodie Merrill, Josh Haskins, Trevor Baptiste or Doc Schneider. There’s nobody like that see for this year but I hear you in general.

[HockeyLaxGolf42]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

[Finster]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

[Hooz123]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

Put the alcohol down, you've had enough.

[GaitsRightHand]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

[MVPiccoli]

Maybe the "most hyped" in the social media era. If you look back there are guys that were positioned in a similar way. Johnny Christmas comes to mind. Mikey Powell.

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

[Farfromgeneva]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

The only person disappointed with his career is Jeff Tanbroni because it wasn’t done at State college.

[Farfromgeneva]

Maybe the "most hyped" in the social media era. If you look back there are guys that were positioned in a similar way. Johnny Christmas comes to mind. Mikey Powell.

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

This one was vastly overrated.

https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-lacross ... accio/2479

[lorin]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

I love that you leave out that he has played 67 games, so points per game average 4.32 not a bust not great and surly not a generational

[GaitsRightHand]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

I love that you leave out that he has played 67 games, so points per game average 4.32 not a bust not great and surly not a generational

I consider Jordan Wolf a generational talent...

But by your math he couldn't be. He had 304 Career points in 81 games. 3.75 ppg.

Do I think he's underperformed this year? Yes- needs to step up. Do I think he's underperformed his entire career? No. Do I think he's a generational talent? Yes.

[10stone5]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

The only person disappointed with his career is Jeff Tambroni because it wasn’t done at State college.

They could have used him last year for sure, and this year.
His 1st two years wouldn't have been so great.

[GaitsRightHand]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

The only person disappointed with his career is Jeff Tambroni because it wasn’t done at State college.

They could have used him last year for sure, and this year.
His 1st two years wouldn't have been so great.

2021 he differed to Sowers and I think this may have hurt him/Duke more than helped them. 2022 Sophomore slump for 74 points... I bet 3-11 PSU would've loved him that year.

[GaitsRightHand]

Crazy to think of this (and don’t support this argument) but… is O’Neills career a disappointment (not bust) if he doesn’t win a second tewy or a national chip? Most hyped (rightfully so) recruit of all time

If you “don’t support” the argument (which incidentally no one I know has ever said nor heard), why raise it? I feel like you’re trying to give the argument legs, tbh.

Career: 290 points - 195 G and 95A... 5 goals from 200 career goals, 5 assists from 100 career assists. 10 points from 300 career points.

2021: 55 points- 45G & 10A (Final 4)
2022: 74 points- 53G & 21A
2023: 97 points- 55G and 42A (Runner-Up)
2024: 64 points- 42G and 22A (still going + getting over hamstring injury)

2 appearances in Final 4, 1 appearance in National Championship, 4x All American, Tewey award winner as a junior, USA Gold Medalist and Championship game MVP.

Probably the most disappointing career in history...

May not win Tewey this year, but I think he has delivered...

I love that you leave out that he has played 67 games, so points per game average 4.32 not a bust not great and surly not a generational

Have some time to kill at work... Crunched some numbers.

42 of those 67 games were against ranked opponents. He scored 164 points in those 42 games. That is 3.9 ppg against ranked opponents.

2021 - 39 points in 8 games vs ranked opponents. 4.8 ppg.
2022 - 39 points in 12 games vs ranked opponents. 3.25 ppg.
2023 - 60 points in 14 games vs ranked opponents. 4.25 ppg.
2024 - 26 points in 8 games vs ranked opponents. 3.25 ppg.

This means he scored 126 points against 25 unranked opponents for 5.04 ppg. The difference between his outputs vs ranked teams and unranked teams? About 1.1ppg. I think that's pretty good.

I agree with you though, sometimes he looks pedestrian. Ex/ ND title game and others. But he pulls his fair share of the weight. 56% of his points came against ranked opponents.

He's 9 points away from tying, 10 points from beating Jordan Wolf's career record (in less games). That'd put him at 3rd in Career points at Duke. Sitting behind Danowski (353) and Guterding (351). And sitting in front of Jordan Wolf. I think that's pretty good company. Like I said, I think he's delivered and is a generational talent.

[Finster]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

[GaitsRightHand]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

[Finster]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

That’s a good point. I just love Kirst’s determination and leadership.

I believe that Brandau and Shellenberger are in a two-person race. I’m throwing Kirst in as a respectful nod to his leadership.

[GaitsRightHand]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

That’s a good point. I just love Kirst’s determination and leadership.

I believe that Brandau and Shellenberger are in a two-person race. I’m throwing Kirst in as a respectful nod to his leadership.

I do too, I'm a big fan of his game. Definitely can see the "Leadership and determination" in his play and how the teams rallies around him. After looking at his points, he's had some monster games- 8 points against OSU, Yale, and ND. 6 points vs Cuse. He's playing high level ball.

I hear all the Kirst boys are great teammates and leaders. I'd take him on my team any day. Just a little doubtful he'll get the tewey... but lots of meaningful lacrosse left to be played. I'm not counting him out just yet.

[CU88a]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

That’s a good point. I just love Kirst’s determination and leadership.

I believe that Brandau and Shellenberger are in a two-person race. I’m throwing Kirst in as a respectful nod to his leadership.

CJ wants Championship and is not worried about individual awards.

[Chousnake]

My $0.02 on the Tewaaraton 2024.

Pending Yale, UVA, and Cornell team tournament results, and obviously remaining individual output, today my ranking is the following:

1. Matt Brandau

2. Connor Shellenberger

3. CJ Kirst


I don’t seee anyone else remotely close to these three. Nor do I see anyone else winning the award even if their team wins the championship and they excel while doing so. I think these three are that far ahead.

I like the first 2... CJ kirst, I don't see it happening this year, unfortunately. 54 points this year at #20 in the nation. Think he's a terrific player but a bit underwhelming point totals this year. And, Michael Long has more points than him.

I'm not saying Kirst deserves the award, but he's 3 points behind Shelly and ahead of him in PPG. He's 9th in PPG. And his contribution on the ride is often overlooked.

I don't see how Brandau is not the odds on favorite right now. All this talk about schedule and opponents and teammates and shots is ridiculous. He's the best player in the nation this season so far by a large margin and the only people saying otherwise are ACC and B10 fans who just don't accept that the Ivy League is on a par with those conferences.