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keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint, the Ivy hater has Cornell at #6, and when" Quint the Ivy hater" gets here, everybody's gonna jump for joy.

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Once in awhile he gets shown the light 😎
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HGK wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:45 am Once in awhile he gets shown the light 😎
He even has them higher than the IL POLL that has them #7. He probably said a few naughty words as he was scribbling in Cornell at #6.

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keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
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Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that our SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

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joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

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Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
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BU has Dook Wednesday and Yale down the road. We'll see how the 10 man ride plays. Hell In A Bucket. 15 seniors and grad students with talent and experience on all 3 levels. Goalie has been outstanding. They've won 2 PL regular seasons in a row, won a PL playoff and beaten Army 3 times in a row.

Fun team to watch when they're on. Face off dot is the Achilles Heel. Colletti went 17 for 26. BU wins by 5. Yale and Duke are also excellent on X so uphill battle.

Regardless, PL is won by the 1 or 2 seed. Winning 3 games in 5 days is a big ask.

BU v Army will determine the sole PL rep in the tournament. Too bad because both could win games.
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QuestionMark wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:37 am BU has Dook Wednesday and Yale down the road. We'll see how the 10 man ride plays. Hell In A Bucket. 15 seniors and grad students with talent and experience on all 3 levels. Goalie has been outstanding. They've won 2 PL regular seasons in a row, won a PL playoff and beaten Army 3 times in a row.

Fun team to watch when they're on. Face off dot is the Achilles Heel. Colletti went 17 for 26. BU wins by 5. Yale and Duke are also excellent on X so uphill battle.

Regardless, PL is won by the 1 or 2 seed. Winning 3 games in 5 days is a big ask.

BU v Army will determine the sole PL rep in the tournament. Too bad because both could win games.
I would not completely dismiss Colgate in that race.
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No disrespect at all to Colgate. Lattimore has done a wonderful job there this year.
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coda wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:30 am
joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

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Joewillie78
Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
I'm not sure what metric this is as when you type in Laxreference Rpi, it shows a chart that has Cornell #6 RPI and #2 SOS. Is this a different metric?

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coda wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:30 am
joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

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Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
Sincere question on how this metric works. Georgetown has played 8 games. As per this metric, they have wins over #s 1, 6, 9, 20,21 and 36. Losses are to 5 and 18. Does the 18 loss and 36 win carry more weight than the quality wins and losses?
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HGK wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:52 am
coda wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:30 am
joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

Gobigred
Joewillie78
Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
Sincere question on how this metric works. Georgetown has played 8 games. As per this metric, they have wins over #s 1, 6, 9, 20,21 and 36. Losses are to 5 and 18. Does the 18 loss and 36 win carry more weight than the quality wins and losses?
Wins and losses vs the schedule are not part of the SOS formula. Its just who you have played.
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HGK wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:52 am
coda wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:30 am
joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

Gobigred
Joewillie78
Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
Sincere question on how this metric works. Georgetown has played 8 games. As per this metric, they have wins over #s 1, 6, 9, 20,21 and 36. Losses are to 5 and 18. Does the 18 loss and 36 win carry more weight than the quality wins and losses?
I barely squeaked by calculus at Cornell, and all these lacrosse metrics make that course look like child's play.

Explaining lacrosse metrics would confuse Einstein and Oppenheimer, and make Will, from Good Will Hunting look like a fool.

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Have to agree with JW on the math bit. How I ever managed a D in calculus at the U I’ll never know.
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molo wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:40 am Have to agree with JW on the math bit. How I ever managed a D in calculus at the U I’ll never know.
Molo,
Once we got to the point in Calc that their were more frigging letters, squiggly looking constants, and exponents galore, than real numbers, I was lost.

When I took a test, I simply wrote down anything and everything I knew about the equation and hoped something stuck, and was close to correct. It worked to a very awesome C-.

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joewillie78 wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:15 pm
coda wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:48 pm I can say my model hates Army. I think it is due to the weak schedule. I think you have Cornell a bit high, but you are a fan. I still have them around 10, hard to get them inside the top 5 until that defense improves
Maybe, but they just beat the #1 RPI team, and are currently #6 RPI, and #2 SOS. Pretty good resume, so far.
I agree that #5 seems a bit high, but not egregious. Though it is hard for me to take the RPI argument seriously when I find RPI to be such a laughable metric.
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coda wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:30 am
joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:18 am
Gobigred wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:06 am
keno in reno wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:06 pm Cornell at 5 is laughable
Quint has 'em at 6 and IL at 7. Maybe it's your opinion that's "laughable."
GBR
He is welcome to his opinion, BUT when you beat the #1 RPI team, have the #2 SOS, and are #6 RPI, I don't think my ranking them #5 is complete homerism.

I think Quints and the IL rankings kind of proved that.

Penn, Cuse, and ND next 3. I would think that are SOS would go to #1 after this gauntlet.

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Cornell is 10th in SOS. https://lacrossereference.com/stats/str ... le-d1-men/
Third here based on RPI: https://www.laxmath.com/men/sos001.php
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ICGrad wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:47 am
joewillie78 wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:15 pm
coda wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:48 pm I can say my model hates Army. I think it is due to the weak schedule. I think you have Cornell a bit high, but you are a fan. I still have them around 10, hard to get them inside the top 5 until that defense improves
Maybe, but they just beat the #1 RPI team, and are currently #6 RPI, and #2 SOS. Pretty good resume, so far.
I agree that #5 seems a bit high, but not egregious. Though it is hard for me to take the RPI argument seriously when I find RPI to be such a laughable metric.
Icgrad,

I absolutely agree about RPI as the all worldly metric, BUT it seems to drive the selection committee. As long as Cornell stays high in that metric, I have less of a feeling that the committee can screw us over again.

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I think 5th is a bit of a stretch but 7th is not unreasonable. I have yet to see another team with an offense as good as the Big Red's attack & 1st line mids. The defense will improve. Tully is gaining experience quickly. Hopefully Davis will return soon. After Penn, Syracuse, Brown & Notre Dame, we'll know for sure what we have.
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joewillie78 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:17 pm
ICGrad wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:47 am
joewillie78 wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:15 pm
coda wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:48 pm I can say my model hates Army. I think it is due to the weak schedule. I think you have Cornell a bit high, but you are a fan. I still have them around 10, hard to get them inside the top 5 until that defense improves
Maybe, but they just beat the #1 RPI team, and are currently #6 RPI, and #2 SOS. Pretty good resume, so far.
I agree that #5 seems a bit high, but not egregious. Though it is hard for me to take the RPI argument seriously when I find RPI to be such a laughable metric.
Icgrad,

I absolutely agree about RPI as the all worldly metric, BUT it seems to drive the selection committee. As long as Cornell stays high in that metric, I have less of a feeling that the committee can screw us over again.

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Joewillie78
Excellent point. Laughable metric, but not one that can be ignored...and one to embrace passionately when it favours your (our) team!
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