2024 top 20

[joewillie78]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. Michigan

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Joewillie78

[Farfromgeneva]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. OSU/Michigan winner.

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Joewillie78

You may get a freak out on the GT/ND placement as a heads up.

Have you considered Loyola at all on that back end or so this winning stretch too light on meat for you?

[joewillie78]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. OSU/Michigan winner.

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Joewillie78

You may get a freak out on the GT/ND placement as a heads up.

Have you considered Loyola at all on that back end or so this winning stretch too light on meat for you?

Yes, I did take a look at Loyola and their resume is getting better but still not superior to the 2 big teams playing tonight. Either winner in my opinion still is a bit ahead of Loyola, but it's close.

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Joewillie78

[rolldodge]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. OSU/Michigan winner.

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Joewillie78

You may get a freak out on the GT/ND placement as a heads up.

Have you considered Loyola at all on that back end or so this winning stretch too light on meat for you?

Yes, I did take a look at Loyola and their resume is getting better but still not superior to the 2 big teams playing tonight. Either winner in my opinion still is a bit ahead of Loyola, but it's close.

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Joewillie78

You might want to take another look. Would like to hear the argument against.

[keno in reno]

Georgetown has 1 good win (it was Moby Dick but literally that's it). They can't be ahead of Maryland. Yale and Cornell are too high in my mind too, but I'm pleading to the wrong person.

[HGK]

Georgetown has 1 good win (it was Moby Dick but literally that's it). They can't be ahead of Maryland. Yale and Cornell are too high in my mind too, but I'm pleading to the wrong person.

Now do UVA with only one “good” win over Maryland.

[rolldodge]

Georgetown has 1 good win (it was Moby Dick but literally that's it). They can't be ahead of Maryland. Yale and Cornell are too high in my mind too, but I'm pleading to the wrong person.

Maryland’s resume is probably better than Georgetown and not a big fan of eye tests for polls, but eye test: Georgetown is better than Maryland.

[Farfromgeneva]

Georgetown has 1 good win (it was Moby Dick but literally that's it). They can't be ahead of Maryland. Yale and Cornell are too high in my mind too, but I'm pleading to the wrong person.

Maryland’s resume is probably better than Georgetown and not a big fan of eye tests for polls, but eye test: Georgetown is better than Maryland.

Just remember back to your IL #1 recruiting class. Those kids mostly looked like
Thoroughbreads but, oddly for a Urick team, they often played more like
Preening ponies. late In uricks tenure and unfortunately he delegated too much then

[joewillie78]

Georgetown has 1 good win (it was Moby Dick but literally that's it). They can't be ahead of Maryland. Yale and Cornell are too high in my mind too, but I'm pleading to the wrong person.

Slotting 6,7,8 was brutal as I believe Cuse is better than both Yale and Cornell BUT Cornell beat Cuse, and Yale has looked great BUT Cornell beat Yale also. Now both of those Cornell wins were at the Kopf, so would those have been W's at Yale and Cuse?

If I just took who beat who, then Cornell should be 6, but again, both were home wins. To me Cornell, Yale and Cuse should be 6a, 6b, 6c as they are that close.

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Joewillie78

[Finster]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. Michigan

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Joewillie78

Looks good. I don’t trust Hopkins but I understand why they’re there.

[joewillie78]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. Michigan

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Joewillie78

Looks good. I don’t trust Hopkins but I understand why they’re there.

Hopkins to me is one of those teams that doesn't always look pretty, but always seems to find ways to win. They can win with offense, defense, and special teams.

Everytime I watch them and say uh-oh, their in trouble, they turn it around and gut out a win.

Our ex coach has done a fabulous job down on 33rd street.

And as a PS, that freshman defender is as good a young defender as I have seen in a long time.

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Joewillie78

[coda]

My new top 20, April 20, 2024

1. Notre Dame
2. Johns Hopkins
3. Denver
4. Duke
5. Penn State
6. Syracuse
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Virginia
10. Georgetown
11. Maryland
12. Princeton
13. Army
14. St. Joseph
15. Penn
16. Towson
17. Richmond
18. Delaware
19. Villanova
20. Michigan

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Joewillie78

Looks good. I don’t trust Hopkins but I understand why they’re there.

Hopkins to me is one of those teams that doesn't always look pretty, but always seems to find ways to win. They can win with offense, defense, and special teams.

Everytime I watch them and say uh-oh, their in trouble, they turn it around and gut out a win.

Our ex coach has done a fabulous job down on 33rd street.

And as a PS, that freshman defender is as good a young defender as I have seen in a long time.

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Joewillie78

Hopkins is interesting. You could argue they have the best defense in the nation. The offense can run hot and cold at times. The face-off is a weakness. Kind of team that can be playing on Memorial Day weekend, but also enough holes that you could see them vulnerable to an upset.

[CU88a]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

[drunkmonkey30]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

[Finster]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

[BigTurn]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

[HockeyLaxGolf42]

1. Notre Dame
2. Hopkins
3. Duke
4. Cuse
5. Denver
6. Virginia
7. Cornell
8. Yale
9. Army
10. Maryland

[Finster]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

It’s a tiny schedule relative to every other team. Throw a few more games on their schedule and who knows what their W-L looks like. Maybe they’d be 12-1. Maybe they’d be 9-4. They got all 25 first place votes. I don’t know how I’d ’penalize’ them. It just doesn’t feel right.

[BigTurn]

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... dame/63155

Men's Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Notre Dame (9 - 1) 500 (25) 1
2 Duke (11 - 3) 461 2
3 Johns Hopkins (10 - 3) 446 3
4 Syracuse (11 - 4) 428 6
5 Virginia (10 - 3) 383 4
6 Denver (10 - 2) 347 7
7 Maryland (8 - 4) 333 5
8 Cornell (8 - 4) 323 9
9 Yale (11 - 2) 318 8
10 Penn State (9 - 3) 306 10
11 Georgetown (9 - 3) 266 11
12 Army (10 - 2) 224 12
13 Princeton (8 - 4) 167 17
14 Richmond (9 - 4) 153 15
15 Towson (10 - 3) 151 14
16 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 131 16
17 Penn (8 - 5) 126 13
18 Delaware (8 - 3) 71 19
19 Michigan (7 - 6) 36 22
20 Colgate (8 - 5) 21 21

Can't figure out why the national poles have Virginia so high, especially compared to Cornell.
Common opponents - 'Cuse: Cornell beat, Virginia lost; Harvard: Cornell dominate win, UVA come from behind in Q4. Ohio State: both won.

vs Top 5 RPI: Cornell 1-2; Virginia 0-3

Is it ACC reputation? Cornell's bad showing against Penn State?

Interesting year. I truly believe any team from 12 to 1 could win this year.

Notre Dame has played so few games on a relative basis, I feel they need to be penalized more than they are.

Penalized for what exactly? They have the #2 SOS, #2 RPI, and #1 SOR. All teams control their own schedule, and any team can schedule fewer games if they think it’s such an advantage. Most people were saying this was stupid several years ago when they were left out of the tournament for lack of quality wins, yet now they should be penalized for it?

It’s a tiny schedule relative to every other team. Throw a few more games on their schedule and who knows what their W-L looks like. Maybe they’d be 12-1. Maybe they’d be 9-4. They got all 25 first place votes. I don’t know how I’d ’penalize’ them. It just doesn’t feel right.

Quality > Quantity. They have 2 top 5 wins, 4 top 10 wins and only loss is in OT to current #11. It’s clearly the best resume in the country.

This was masterful scheduling imo. Last year the ring was almost lost to injuries. Corrigan clearly knows what he has and wants to keep the team as healthy as possible. This schedule was not to make the tournament, it was built for another MDW run. Beat the quality teams and you’re rewarded, lose and you’re out, that’s the gamble.

[NYlax222]

Complaining about ND for schedule? hmmm. as others have pointed out, they scheduled teams expected to be top of the BIg10, Ivy, and Big East. Plus of course, the ACC. Let's fault them for not playing LeMoyne, Wagner, Manhattan?