MAC 2024

[AbeFroeman]

Anyone comfortable taking a stab at All-Conference heading into the last weekend of the regular season? Several very knowledgeable posters so hopefully all rosters covered.

Does that voting occur before or after the MAC / NCAA tournaments?

not sure when the voting happens. i noticed several D1 conferences have already announced their awards. looking at last year, MAC made the announcement after the conference playoffs.

[laxrules]

In most/all conferences. Voting is done in between last regular season game and conference playoffs. Most conferences use conference regular season games and not conference playoffs because they want to give all teams equal chances for stats. Most all conference teams wait to be released after conference playoffs.

[AbeFroeman]

anyone know who the 4th team will be. looks like widner, eastern, and hood all have 3 wins. and all split with each other.

[boredatwork]

anyone know who the 4th team will be. looks like widner, eastern, and hood all have 3 wins. and all split with each other.

If we to with the tie breakers from the last page I believe eastern will be the 4. The third tie breaker:

3. Goal differential between tied teams (6 goal max).

Eastern: +6 v widener, -1 v hood (+5)
Widener: +4 v. Hood, -6 v. eastern (-2)
Hood: -4 v. Winder, +1 v. Eastern (-3)

[DeepPocket]

anyone know who the 4th team will be. looks like widner, eastern, and hood all have 3 wins. and all split with each other.

If we to with the tie breakers from the last page I believe eastern will be the 4. The third tie breaker:

3. Goal differential between tied teams (6 goal max).

Eastern: +6 v widener, -1 v hood (+5)
Widener: +4 v. Hood, -6 v. eastern (-2)
Hood: -4 v. Winder, +1 v. Eastern (-3)

Yes. Looks like it will be Eastern via tie break criteria 3.

I’m surprised by the Hood / Eastern results, but Hood has some skilled shooters in Wiley, Muldoon, Flok and company. Great to see 6 teams giving each other relevant games within the conference. It’s a rising tide in the commonwealth.

[DeepPocket]

Meanwhile, on the Freedom side of things, seeds remain right about where they’ve been for years. Stevens is the bell of the ball, DeSales and Arcadia are the distant 2-3, but have nearly no distance between themselves. Their game yesterday was a 1 goal difference, and Wednesday will likely be tight aswell. Misericordia at 4 rounds out tournament qualifiers.

1. Stevens will host 4. Misericordia
2. DeSales hosting 3. Arcadia

Point of interest is Freedom newcomer Lebanon Valley. They are comparable to Misericordia, and bring up that middle of the pack significantly (relative to where it was). They sit out the tournament this year, but I could see them making that 4 seed interesting in years to come.

It is kind of a shame that they did away with the 4-5 play-in games. This year there was probably the most parity in those groupings than ever, and mostly off of improvements instead of regression. (Eastern, Widener, Hood and Misericordia, LVC all eyeing the two 4 seeds).

[NElaxtalent]

It is kind of a shame that they did away with the 4-5 play-in games. This year there was probably the most parity in those groupings than ever, and mostly off of improvements instead of regression. (Eastern, Widener, Hood and Misericordia, LVC all eyeing the two 4 seeds).

Agreed on rewarding the mid-tier programs with a play-in type game as they try to build

I'm kind of intrigued by the Commonwealth Conferences format as the have a Quarterfinal round. With 9 teams, 6 make the playoffs and the Top 2 earn 1st Rd byes.

https://cccathletics.com/documents/2024 ... df?id=1228

[Duckdad]

Stevens, Desales, Arcadia, Misericordia in MAC
Freedom.

Stevens had a nice senior day. Lots of seniors. Savarese scores his 200 goal in career. Stevens Just came out and dominated early and everyone played. Great to see young players get their chances in a lot of these conference games.

[DeepPocket]

Stevens, Desales, Arcadia, Misericordia in MAC
Freedom.

Stevens had a nice senior day. Lots of seniors. Savarese scores his 200 goal in career. Stevens Just came out and dominated early and everyone played. Great to see young players get their chances in a lot of these conference games.

Indeed. I’m very interested in what kind of draw Stevens will get for the NCAA tournament.

[DeepPocket]

Anyone comfortable taking a stab at All-Conference…

Here’s my shot at it. (Some teams slide M-A and D-LSM, I tried to stay within what position was listed on the roster when available, so take it with a grain of salt- it’s just for fun anyways)

First team
A. Teresky Messiah
A. Berg Messiah
A. Harnick York
M. Zick Stevenson
M. Ricich Stevenson
M. Muldoon Hood
D. Blackmon York
D. Quinn Stevenson
D. Wright Alvernia
LSM. Masterson Stevenson
SSDM. Marangoni Eastern
FO. Facciponti York
G. Sabarese Alvernia

Second team
A. Van Der Horst Albright
A. McKnelly Messiah
A. N Fanelli Eastern
M. Litzenberg Eastern
M. Scaliti Stevenson
M. Fisher York
D. Alvarez Albright
D. Rizzolino Hood
D. Fitterling Albright
LSM. Kane York
SSDM. Pearl York
FO. Halpin Stevenson
G. Dudziak Widener


Honorable Mention
A. Elko Albright
A. Russo York
A. Curtis Stevenson
A. McDermott Hood
A. Maits Widener
A. Gossen Stevenson
M. Stark Eastern
M. Sporer Widener
M. Burke Albright
M. Wiley Hood
M. Grayson York
M. Patton Alvernia
D. Mulvey Stevenson
D. Puckett Eastern
D. Gross Messiah
D. Covington Widener
D. Biava York
D. Dendall Eastern
LSM. Montgomery Widener
SSDM. Tepper Stevenson
FO. Hitchens Hood
G. Womack York

OPOTY
A. Teresky Messiah

DPOTY
D. Blackmon York

Specialist OTY
FO. Facciponti York

Coach OTY
Dan Carson Messiah

[AbeFroeman]

Anyone comfortable taking a stab at All-Conference…

Here’s my shot at it. (Some teams slide M-A and D-LSM, I tried to stay within what position was listed on the roster when available, so take it with a grain of salt- it’s just for fun anyways)

First team
A. Teresky Messiah
A. Berg Messiah
A. Harnick York
M. Zick Stevenson
M. Ricich Stevenson
M. Muldoon Hood
D. Blackmon York
D. Quinn Stevenson
D. Wright Alvernia
LSM. Masterson Stevenson
SSDM. Marangoni Eastern
FO. Facciponti York
G. Sabarese Alvernia

Second team
A. Van Der Horst Albright
A. McKnelly Messiah
A. N Fanelli Eastern
M. Litzenberg Eastern
M. Scaliti Stevenson
M. Fisher York
D. Alvarez Albright
D. Rizzolino Hood
D. Fitterling Albright
LSM. Kane York
SSDM. Pearl York
FO. Halpin Stevenson
G. Dudziak Widener


Honorable Mention
A. Elko Albright
A. Russo York
A. Curtis Stevenson
A. McDermott Hood
A. Maits Widener
A. Gossen Stevenson
M. Stark Eastern
M. Sporer Widener
M. Burke Albright
M. Wiley Hood
M. Grayson York
M. Patton Alvernia
D. Mulvey Stevenson
D. Puckett Eastern
D. Gross Messiah
D. Covington Widener
D. Biava York
D. Dendall Eastern
LSM. Montgomery Widener
SSDM. Tepper Stevenson
FO. Hitchens Hood
G. Womack York

OPOTY
A. Teresky Messiah

DPOTY
D. Blackmon York

Specialist OTY
FO. Facciponti York

Coach OTY
Dan Carson Messiah

nice.


shields from York had a really good year.

[Asgot]

Anyone comfortable taking a stab at All-Conference…

Here’s my shot at it. (Some teams slide M-A and D-LSM, I tried to stay within what position was listed on the roster when available, so take it with a grain of salt- it’s just for fun anyways)

First team
A. Teresky Messiah
A. Berg Messiah
A. Harnick York
M. Zick Stevenson
M. Ricich Stevenson
M. Muldoon Hood
D. Blackmon York
D. Quinn Stevenson
D. Wright Alvernia
LSM. Masterson Stevenson
SSDM. Marangoni Eastern
FO. Facciponti York
G. Sabarese Alvernia

Second team
A. Van Der Horst Albright
A. McKnelly Messiah
A. N Fanelli Eastern
M. Litzenberg Eastern
M. Scaliti Stevenson
M. Fisher York
D. Alvarez Albright
D. Rizzolino Hood
D. Fitterling Albright
LSM. Kane York
SSDM. Pearl York
FO. Halpin Stevenson
G. Dudziak Widener


Honorable Mention
A. Elko Albright
A. Russo York
A. Curtis Stevenson
A. McDermott Hood
A. Maits Widener
A. Gossen Stevenson
M. Stark Eastern
M. Sporer Widener
M. Burke Albright
M. Wiley Hood
M. Grayson York
M. Patton Alvernia
D. Mulvey Stevenson
D. Puckett Eastern
D. Gross Messiah
D. Covington Widener
D. Biava York
D. Dendall Eastern
LSM. Montgomery Widener
SSDM. Tepper Stevenson
FO. Hitchens Hood
G. Womack York

OPOTY
A. Teresky Messiah

DPOTY
D. Blackmon York

Specialist OTY
FO. Facciponti York

Coach OTY
Dan Carson Messiah

I would say the Pearl was the 3rd or 4th best d-middie on his own team, Sock was by far the best d-middie on the team while Shields was the best at playing in transition
and there are several goalies who have had better years in the MAC than Womack has at York.
Kane is a close defenseman, but I would agree that Rutledge has had a really good year.

[DeepPocket]

I would say the Pearl was the 3rd or 4th best d-middie on his own team, Sock was by far the best d-middie on the team while Shields was the best at playing in transition
and there are several goalies who have had better years in the MAC than Womack has at York.
Kane is a close defenseman, but I would agree that Rutledge has had a really good year.

I’m definitely wrong more than I am right (just ask my wife), and I’m sure I’m waaaay off on a great many of these picks.

My system changed about 1/3 of the way in, as I left my comfort area where I had any knowledge at all. I did them by positions first, and I was going off numbers and performance relative to competition (see Harnick in first team with lower #s than Van Der Horst / McKnelly) but as I got deeper in, I started pretty much just going by numbers, for lack of knowledge of some teams/positions (See the goalie from a 4-12 team as a first teamer).

The SSDM really threw me, as many teams just list them as Middies, so for most teams I had to look at GB and CT to figure out who was who. If you look at those York gb and ct stats for the position, from what I saw Pearl has the most, and at that point in the process I had used those stats for pretty much every other player in the position (so I guess I just got lazy).

You’re absolutely right. Sock was the lockdown SSDM, and Shields lit it up in transition, and it’s a damn good thing I’m not involved in the All Conference teams in any way.

[NElaxtalent]

Deep & ASGOT,

Thank you for providing so much of a wider scope with your conference-wide view.

I initially missed Deep's inclusion of COY. Besides Messiah's Carson who would you think is in the running?

Hood was 9-8 with a W over an underwhelming Eastern. Is that enough for HC Brad Barber to win or is Carson a lock with a 12-5 record earning the 3 seed vs a projected 5th finish?

[DeepPocket]

Deep & ASGOT,

Thank you for providing so much of a wider scope with your conference-wide view.

I initially missed Deep's inclusion of COY. Besides Messiah's Carson who would you think is in the running?

Hood was 9-8 with a W over an underwhelming Eastern. Is that enough for HC Brad Barber to win or is Carson a lock with a 12-5 record earning the 3 seed vs a projected 5th finish?

I think it has to be Carson this year. Hood would be the only other to consider IMHO, and between the two it seems clear.

[Asgot]

Deep & ASGOT,

Thank you for providing so much of a wider scope with your conference-wide view.

I initially missed Deep's inclusion of COY. Besides Messiah's Carson who would you think is in the running?

Hood was 9-8 with a W over an underwhelming Eastern. Is that enough for HC Brad Barber to win or is Carson a lock with a 12-5 record earning the 3 seed vs a projected 5th finish?

I think it has to be Carson this year. Hood would be the only other to consider IMHO, and between the two it seems clear.

I agree, I think it has to be him, small school, religiously oriented, guy is working hard to find the right kids for both the school and the system.

[laxrules]

Probably will be York’s childs. Everyone counting York out after transfer U summer and even the beginning of season lots(including me) thought Stevenson would beat York.

[DeepPocket]

Conference tournaments opens with the Semis today, and trips to the Championships are at stake. A real disservice was done here, putting both Commonwealth games (and 3 of the 4 total) at 7pm, but it is what it is.

Commonwealth

York vs Eastern -7pm
I think the grad heavy Eagles have a better showing than their Saturday results vs Hood, and they keep it close-ish through 2. But the depth of talent and FO dominance of the Spartans pull them away at the half.

Messiah vs Stevenson -7pm
Hot take here. The Falcons are soaring after putting together their most complete game and making York earn the win Saturday. I see them riding this momentum and catching VJC looking ahead to York. Is the Commonwealth ready for a 3rd power?

Freedom

Stevens vs Misericordia -4pm
Predicting a decisive win for the Ducks here. They’ve made a season out of dispatching lesser foes handedly, and I see this game as being no different.

DeSales vs Arcadia -7pm
This has potential be the tightest game of the four. DeSales escaped Arcadia Saturday by 1 goal, and holds wins in their last 3 meetings. This will mark the 3rd straight time these teams have met in the conference Semis, with each holding a W. I expect a good one in Center Valley.

[Laxattackjack]

i agree with these. your comment “is the commonwealth ready for a third” caught my attention. i think next year will be a two team race again. but between messiah and york. and i wouldn’t be surprised if messiah takes the commonwealth. stevenson has about 20 seniors. york is going to be losing the MAC offensive POY, defensive POY and best FOGO in D3. both york and stevenson are going to have to reload next year. while messiah will return all three attack.

[DeepPocket]

i agree with these. your comment “is the commonwealth ready for a third” caught my attention. i think next year will be a two team race again. but between messiah and york. and i wouldn’t be surprised if messiah takes the commonwealth. stevenson has about 20 seniors. york is going to be losing the MAC offensive POY, defensive POY and best FOGO in D3. both york and stevenson are going to have to reload next year. while messiah will return all three attack.

I see York and Stevenson both as having too much talent down the line for either to be kept out of conversation for the MAC-C title any time soon. Years of success have built their stables up to recover relatively quick from big player losses (I already see myself putting up my York talent timeline post again after this season).

Messiah will be improved after this year, regardless of what happens next. They have been adding immediate impact players from the portal for a few years now, and will likely patch their holes at FO / G etc in that manner. And as they do this, it looks like they’ve also been able to up the talent level of their HS recruits, which is where they will be able to ensure a more lasting success (like York and Stevenson).

3 powers. It’s coming.