Denver Pioneers 2024

[Puck Swami]

Winning cures most of the problems. DU really doesn't have any star players this year, and still plays a rather blah style, and that it makes it very hard for anyone outside of Denver to care very much about this team. But now that the NCAA Selection Committee has Denver ranked #4 by the solid body of work and no bad losses, I think DU will host a home game in the NCAAs as long as they win out against Marquette and in the B.E.T in May.

Lose in the BET and the home NCAA game is probably quickly off the table, although the RPI should still be good enough to keep the Pios in the NCAA tournament, albeit on the road.

Add it all up, and the rest of the country sees Denver as a good, but non-elite program right now.

The Pios will have to keep winning to generate much interest.

[OSVAlacrosse]

Winning cures most of the problems. DU really doesn't have any star players this year, and still plays a rather blah style, and that it makes it very hard for anyone outside of Denver to care very much about this team. But now that the NCAA Selection Committee has Denver ranked #4 by the solid body of work and no bad losses, I think DU will host a home game in the NCAAs as long as they win out against Marquette and in the B.E.T in May.

Lose in the BET and the home NCAA game is probably quickly off the table, although the RPI should still be good enough to keep the Pios in the NCAA tournament, albeit on the road.

Add it all up, and the rest of the country sees Denver as a good, but non-elite program right now.

The Pios will have to keep winning to generate much interest.

A first round game with Utah at home would be good for college lacrosse and ESPN

[cherrylax]

Expecting a serious dog fight on the main line tomorrow night. Definitely going to be a different game with the biggest difference being Coppola being back. Last year in two games against Denver he went 22-46, not great but still much better than the alternatives that played in the first game which allowed us to go 13-19.

Keys to Win

1. Shoot Better. First game we did not have a great shooting game. Nova's goalie is sitting right under 50% so we need to wait for the right shots and get to him early
2. Spark transition from the D end. A younger Villanova offense against The old men of Denver. Guys like Mercurio, Wilson, Edinger, Giles, need to push transtion and generate some scoring chances.
3. Over 50%. Both for Saves and Faceoffs.

[cherrylax]

Expecting a serious dog fight on the main line tomorrow night. Definitely going to be a different game with the biggest difference being Coppola being back. Last year in two games against Denver he went 22-46, not great but still much better than the alternatives that played in the first game which allowed us to go 13-19.

Keys to Win

1. Shoot Better. First game we did not have a great shooting game. Nova's goalie is sitting right under 50% so we need to wait for the right shots and get to him early
2. Spark transition from the D end. A younger Villanova offense against The old men of Denver. Guys like Mercurio, Wilson, Edinger, Giles, need to push transtion and generate some scoring chances.
3. Over 50%. Both for Saves and Faceoffs.

The worst game this team has played since Air Force and that had some weather factors. 20 turnovers a good chunk of them uncaused. DU's stick protection yesterday was horrendous, with several of Nova's over the head checks landing and our veteran offensive players hanging there sticks, and turning the ball over.

Credit to Villanova, they had a game plan to beat DU and stuck to it. There goaltender was superb, and Denver let him gain confidence by not shooting well at all. Nova's goalie plays an EXTREMELY high arc (something to be discussed later) and I think it caused DU's shooters to panic and not shoot with confidence. Don't know how many times we hit the goalie in the legs but he's going to have some bruises.

Face off unit could be the most deceiving stat of the whole game. I would say we wont 71% of the initial possessions than turned it over enough so that if I had to guess Villanova could be in the majority. Outside of winning clamps 37 had one of the worst games I've seen him play, missed GB's, 5 or 6 turnovers, an absolutely brutal shot that should be considered a turnover. Didn't receive much help from the wings but man that was tough to watch.

Offense in the first half was brutal, back to standing around waiting for someone to initiate. Mic Kelly seemed to be the only one who really could win the one on one battles. Second half was better assisted by two man up goals, and guys starting to wake up a bit.

Officials were a conundrum. Seemed to miss several little calls like tipped balls or minor pushes. The last play of the game is an interesting discussion as I felt (biased) the goalie actually initiated the contact outside of the goal mouth. If your a goalie and I see a guy dodging to finish like that I would just go out to the edge of the crease and initiate contact and get the goal wiped out. I also personally think #2 could've gotten a little more topside and made it a harder decisions for the refs, but with time winding down he tried to make a play.

This is truly gut check time for this super senior class. This group has been to ONE tournament game, and have never won. Whatever you say about there skill, talent, and dedication to the program, I hope for their sakes that DU can make some noise in the tournament or this will be part of there legacy.

[westlax]

Denver coaches have prioritized the senior class over cultivating and grooming underclassmen. They rarely use their bench players. Gotta be the worst roster management of any top 20 program. At the end of the day, defensive breakdowns lost that game for them. Nova scored the last two goals with the Denver defense lost and spinning. It’s time for a new defensive coach. Denver has ridden the COVID extra year harder than any other team in the league. Time to start fresh with players who have very little experience.

[wgdsr]

Officials were a conundrum. Seemed to miss several little calls like tipped balls or minor pushes. The last play of the game is an interesting discussion as I felt (biased) the goalie actually initiated the contact outside of the goal mouth. If your a goalie and I see a guy dodging to finish like that I would just go out to the edge of the crease and initiate contact and get the goal wiped out. I also personally think #2 could've gotten a little more topside and made it a harder decisions for the refs, but with time winding down he tried to make a play.

goalie crease protections re: dive are limited to the goalmouth and yes, he was out of the goalmouth.
however, the call wasn't that he ran into the goalie. it was that he landed in the goalmouth post-shot. and the only way that's not waved off is if he was fouled in getting there, and he wasn't. it was a pretty easy call with no defender on his back.

[cherrylax]

Officials were a conundrum. Seemed to miss several little calls like tipped balls or minor pushes. The last play of the game is an interesting discussion as I felt (biased) the goalie actually initiated the contact outside of the goal mouth. If your a goalie and I see a guy dodging to finish like that I would just go out to the edge of the crease and initiate contact and get the goal wiped out. I also personally think #2 could've gotten a little more topside and made it a harder decisions for the refs, but with time winding down he tried to make a play.

goalie crease protections re: dive are limited to the goalmouth and yes, he was out of the goalmouth.
however, the call wasn't that he ran into the goalie. it was that he landed in the goalmouth post-shot. and the only way that's not waved off is if he was fouled in getting there, and he wasn't. it was a pretty easy call with no defender on his back.

Makes sense. You could make the argument that contact with the goalie caused him to land in the goal mouth, but that would be a stretch.

[wgdsr]

Officials were a conundrum. Seemed to miss several little calls like tipped balls or minor pushes. The last play of the game is an interesting discussion as I felt (biased) the goalie actually initiated the contact outside of the goal mouth. If your a goalie and I see a guy dodging to finish like that I would just go out to the edge of the crease and initiate contact and get the goal wiped out. I also personally think #2 could've gotten a little more topside and made it a harder decisions for the refs, but with time winding down he tried to make a play.

goalie crease protections re: dive are limited to the goalmouth and yes, he was out of the goalmouth.
however, the call wasn't that he ran into the goalie. it was that he landed in the goalmouth post-shot. and the only way that's not waved off is if he was fouled in getting there, and he wasn't. it was a pretty easy call with no defender on his back.

Makes sense. You could make the argument that contact with the goalie caused him to land in the goal mouth, but that would be a stretch.

if you leave your feet in a dive, then the only argument is if the contact is a foul. if there's legal contact that puts you there and you haven't "dived", then the goal can stand. he took his chances and he lost.

[Puck Swami]

DU deserved to lose that game with 22 turnovers, and were only the better team for about 40% of the game. Full credit to Villanova, who walked through the door that DU so kindly opened for the Wildcats.

In my view, this DU team was poorly-prepared and basically unmotivated until half time, which is frankly inexcusable in playoff lacrosse. They showed adjustment and character in the third period to come back, but were unable to close out the Wildcats when the game was on the line.

The many turnovers yesterday are a sign that this team has regressed, rather than improved. This program used to play with such precision, and now often looks sloppy, averaging nearly 16 turnovers per game, ranking #31 -- in the bottom half of the nation -- embarrassing, considering the team is so veteran-heavy.

The team also ranks #40th nationally in clearing percentage at 86%, which is also sloppy.

Perhaps most telling stat is the team ranks #47th nationally in ground balls, despite having a top three in the nation face-off specialist, revealing a lack of hunger and sloppiness in retrievals.

There is a lot to clean-up if this team hopes to advance in the NCAA tourney. Clearly, the coaching staff is aware of the deficiencies by this point...