Ok age is an answer that at least supports it. Though I don’t know the Brundage relates to his kids any better but maybe. Once you’re in your 30s I don’t see anyone really relating well.Formerhound wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:26 amDifference is age. MVA is 20 years older than Brundage. In addition in his four years at Hobart (which clearly can’t recruit like Loyola) his offense has been in top 25 GPG each year and his EMO has been top 20 twice and ranks 18th this year. That’s very good production from a younger coach who MAY be able to relate more to today’s athletes. Just watch MVA on the sidelines during a game. His interaction with players is nonexistent. His EMO is one of the worst in D1. His GPG is one of the worst in D1. He refuses to make changes. Is this due to stubbornness or due to talent? His recruitment of players is either bad or his development of the same players is poor. Sorry but I’ve watched way too many 4 star recruits not even play (or regress) while here over the past four years. In the past four years Van has gotten 12 4stars and 1 5star recruit on offense alone. Hobart, on the other hand, hasn’t had a 4 star recruit in over four years.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:56 amBrundage has an endowed seat who’s got a decent shot at Hobart’s HC gig when Raymond is surely fired in the next two years? Read the thread. You’re paying up again for an experienced AC when the last experienced AC who’s paid a lot is not working in the eyes here. It makes no sense to anyone who has to run an org or P&L the way it’s being tossed around here.laxbro11 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:41 amIs keeping MVA worth the cost? This is setting up to be the worst season in years, if they cannot turn it around. Odds are that Toomey would never be fired for lack of performance. But is it worth the risk of keeping MVA?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:30 pm Specifically Brundage or any more experienced, senior and expensive hire. Not any replacement. Does it make sense to go all in on another expensive AC at this stage in the question. In this scenario MVA doesn’t work so the argument that an expensive experienced guy is always a better hire would be incongruous. Is having an alum there worth the cost if it doesn’t work out?
I have to assume that MVA is getting paid pretty well by Loyola and I would expect more than Brundage is getting paid at Hobart. He is from the upstate area and it may take a lot to pull him away.
You have to admit there is a problem with the offense. Formerhound has stated many times that this talent pool should be producing more or at least meet the output they did last year. Something is wrong and MVA is the one in charge of the offense and the buck stops with him.
Then buck stops with Charlie not an assistant that’s just an absurd comment. He’s great but so was Urick, Petro and Desmond and what happened. Or JoePa, Bowden, etc. the point im making all along is it’s highly reductive to stare at MVA and say he’s the problem all is solved if we replace him. Then with who? Well we have you burn resources again on a high cost one? And you’re going to pay a premium for a guy who’s been on two sub .500 seasons and the stats won’t look good this year (tons of injuries the last three years of 30 or so games we’ve run our healthy starting six maybe 7-8 times since 21 - I think Brundage is good).
Oh…he’s an alum. You could get Matt Kerwick who looked like a rockstar running GTown O for years under Urick and a Hobart alum. Brundage > Kerwick as coach but point is thing a premium for an alum who looks good as an assistant is an expensive risk. So you want to go out and pay up for Brundage because he’s an alum but otherwise haven’t articulated why he fits but let’s go risk student fees on this move because results don’t fit what we hoped.
The players come because of Charlie. What if they aren’t as good as you think? Besides Poitras who’s clearly legit and Minicus but seay, Higgins and Kamish may not be playoff caliber starters.
Lastly, Laxfam4life, who clearly has a kid on the team, consistently points out that MVA says one thing to the players and does another. Whether or not that is true you cannot ignore the results the past four years. From coming within 65 seconds and beating Duke to make it to Memorial Day weekend to 2-6 with a long pole goal from Reynolds being the difference of being 1-7. Changes need to be made.
(Btw a Hobart person I know who’s got info insists Patterson was changed to 4 star but I don’t see it and don’t care-current FR at Bart-not to mention the stars are circular and backwards looking as many on this page have discussed historically)
Im not picking any fights I just think blaming the new guy an outsider quickly doesn’t make sense or at least isn’t very thoughtful. Someone pointed out maybe Kram that the problem is larger than one person and that’s most likely correct but folks like easy buttons I guess. Just see hysterical talk here. And trusting a parent posting while their kid is in the team is a shaky proposition hopefully you understand.
Maybe MVA is not what he was. Maybe Charlie isn’t. You ever see someone get stale 20yrs into a gig even a talented person because I have all over the place. But I think you guys all need to look a lot deeper and may be disappointed if you just swap ACs and things don’t improve.
BTW don’t know what would be different but the NCAa has refused to allow Hobart to give scholarships since they were effectively forced to move to D1 in 1995. Have appealed for same status as Hop as the only other grandfathered lacrosse school and if you know real lacrosse history you know half Hobart’s D3 schedule in the 80s was D1 teams. we’ve made kids pay full freight the whole
Time until now. I know of a few we were the #2 and it flat out came down to
Money w couldn’t offer who were 4 stars. Only now that the NIL world exists did they allow us to give scholarships. Some people like a little complain at Rutgers who doesn’t know his head from his a** likes to take baby shots as a clear non athlete draping himself in others glory but folks who care about lacrosse history typically appreciate what Hobart has had to do just to be at this level and to make occasional playoffs and everything. Else with the wind in their faces. Shared conferees w Loyola and both been in PL, I’d think there’s a lot of reasons to appreciate each others programs but I know kids and people under 30 think things like that hip hop started in 2014…”man I don’t know who all y’all are!”
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