Israel and Zionism

[cradleandshoot]

“ Around 11 p.m., a group of masked counterdemonstrators made their way to the Royce Quad in the heart of campus and began to attack the encampment set up last week by demonstrators opposing the war in Gaza. They threw a firecracker into the encampment, tore down its outer walls, threw heavy objects at demonstrators and instigated direct physical confrontations. Those in the encampment were left to fend for themselves against a violent band of thugs intent on inflicting damage.”

“ Over the course of our hours on the front lines, I estimate that more than 90% of the verbal and physical instigation came from the agitated counterdemonstrators, a fair number of whom spoke Hebrew and appeared to come from outside campus. The anti-war group had yellow-vested personnel who maintained discipline and sought to deescalate when the threat of violence arose.”

https://forward.com/opinion/608479/ucla ... sts/?amp=1

Masked counter demonstrators??? In case you haven't noticed everyone involved in this chit show are keeping their faces covered. Y'all keep making a pathetic attempt at trying to redefine what a "peaceful protest" is. You have inserted just enough flexibility to include violence and intimidation as a new form of " peaceful protest" Talk about moving the goalposts.

:Dhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/video-shows-a ... ngNewsSerp

^^^ That's what happened the night before the massed police forces disassembled the encampment.

Those peaceful student protesters who were confronted by the pro-Israeli thugs on one night, underwent a miraculous transformation to become the masked anarchists who forcibly battled the police the next night.

Apparently all the peaceful student protesters from the first night vacated the encampment & were surreptitiously replaced by hardened Antifa activists who forcibly resisted the police the second night.

Where was Prof Myers on night #2 ?

Also notice what individuals were keeping their faces covered.
FTR how does attempting to restrict a Jewish UCLA student access to getting to his class relate to what is happening in Gaza??

[PizzaSnake]

“ A former prosecutor in Los Angeles and a U.S. Army veteran who served in Iraq, Mr. Carr was the special envoy to combat antisemitism during the Trump administration. He was born in the United States to Israeli parents, and he became I.A.C.’s chief executive in October, just days before the Hamas attack.

The organization has billed itself as apolitical since its inception, though in the last several years some benefactors have stepped away, expressing concern that the I.A.C. has moved to the right, according to several people and reports in the Jewish media. Mr. Carr, a Republican who has run for public office, said that “we have people of all types and stripes.””

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/us/c ... srael.html

[cradleandshoot]

Too be clear, if you pitch your tent on a liberal campus today in America your ideology is carved in stone.

DEATH TO ISRAEL

DEATH TO AMERICA

We still need mommy and daddy to pay our tuition. We are certainly enlightened individuals. We are not so enlightened that we need to find a real job. We have no problem sucking off mommy and daddys teet for the foreseeable future. Useful idiots all...

[a fan]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.

That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

[cradleandshoot]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.

That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

But yet the students have no problem following the instructions being given to them by the anti semitic non students. Nobody seem to explain to these young progressive skulls full of mush that a ceasefire was out of their say so. They are advocating for a cease fire with absolutely no legal controlling authority to compose a cease fire or enforce it. In simple terms these unlawful protests on college campuses are as useless as teets on a bull.. one positive thing, a really creative way to cancel classes and final exams... FTR, any tent campers protesting for a ceasefire in Ukraine?

[PizzaSnake]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

[cradleandshoot]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

So do you have an opinion about the protesters at UCLA? Were they right or wrong? Was violating an administrative order to break camp just a suggestion to be ignored? Why was it some protesters were denying some Jewish students free access to walk to their classes? Is it unseemly to lower the American flag and raise a Palestinian flag?? I was just wondering where you stand.

[youthathletics]

Us Aide attacked: https://apple.news/AF8M7YyjbQc67vG41EGRz6Q

[a fan]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

[cradleandshoot]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So is this suppose to ignore the fact of what Hamas did on October 7. Those Israeli citizens were also living in their homes and not bothering anyone. Hamas invited this response from Israel. They knew Bibi well enough to know how he would respond. When I was in the army way back when our training did everything withing our power to exclude citizens from any fighting. In Gaza the reality with Hamas is they count on hiding behind the skirts of the Palestinian people. The useful idiots are doing just what they anticipated they would do. They are trying to blame what happened on October 7 on Israel. Those hostages they took are also Israels fault. War is hell and the Palestinians are learning this fact the hard way. How come NOBODY asks why the brave Hamas warriors are so chicken chit they won't come out of their rat holes and fight the Israelis on the field of battle. My bad, why would a gang of cowards do that? The Palestinians will continue to die because that is what Hamas wants. But y'all on this forum already know that.

[PizzaSnake]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So, based on your past conversations in Ann Arbor, you know what, exactly, about the protesters at UCLA?

[a fan]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So, based on your past conversations in Ann Arbor, you know what, exactly, about the protesters at UCLA?

Nope. Simply sharing info. Disregard if you choose. These groups are NOT new, and have a national network. You're welcome to pretend this doesn't exist, and that these protester and their ideas didn't exist until October of last year if you wish.

[a fan]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So is this suppose to ignore the fact of what Hamas did on October 7. Those Israeli citizens were also living in their homes and not bothering anyone. Hamas invited this response from Israel.

Oh, theses geniuses know that. The game they play is to keep the conversation in the direction that they want. They don't want a conversation, and they sure as sh(t don't want you to know that Palestine elected these wankers, or know what they've done over many years. All they want to tell you is "Israel is bad, and this whole mess is America's fault, and Palestinians are harmless bunnies".

When you bring up anything bad that Hamas has done, or bring up rejected Two State plans, they'll fall all over themselves to steer the conversation back to where they want it. They think they're clever, and sell peace to draw you in......until they finally tell you at long last that they want the Jewish people pushed into the sea. Their dishonest tactics are disgusting, and a huge reason why this mess will never be fixed.

[PizzaSnake]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So, based on your past conversations in Ann Arbor, you know what, exactly, about the protesters at UCLA?

Nope. Simply sharing info. Disregard if you choose. These groups are NOT new, and have a national network. You're welcome to pretend this doesn't exist, and that these protester and their ideas didn't exist until October of last year if you wish.

Not what I said.

[a fan]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So, based on your past conversations in Ann Arbor, you know what, exactly, about the protesters at UCLA?

Nope. Simply sharing info. Disregard if you choose. These groups are NOT new, and have a national network. You're welcome to pretend this doesn't exist, and that these protester and their ideas didn't exist until October of last year if you wish.

Not what I said.

Yeah, but it's what you implied. Nope, never been to UCLA, and i'm not there now, and yep, it can be an entirely different protest with folks who just want Israel to stop pounding Palestine, and also want Hamas to stop slaughtering people and to release the 130 hostages they still hold.

I don't know. I"m not there. Your point is taken.

[PizzaSnake]

Any well meaning campus protesters lose all credibility when they join antisemitic protesters, symbols, or content or allow them in their midst.

... yeah Like the "pro-Palestine" protestors are in total control of all the people who might join the protest under a false flag. Of course there are no provocateurs hanging around the protestors. And of course there are no counter protestors.

Just by being together, the "well meaning" protesters provide cover & are still participating in illegal activity when they obstruct & disrupt.

... If person X breaks a window, person Y is not held responsible. It is not like murder.

...they were on Jan 6th.

nice try

These protesters are clowns. They give new meaning to the term useful idiots.

Told you guys this when Brookie was doing his thing...the hardcore protesters at these things aren't students.

They sound benign at first: "we just want Palestinians to live in peace". When I first heard this, I was like "oh I want Palestinians to live in peace, too! Sounds great!"

Then you ask more pointed questions, and you realize that they think that the Jewish people are "colonizing" the Muslims....and that's where the "river to the sea" shows up, and you realize that they do NOT want Palestinians to live in peace, or a Two State solution. They think this land "belongs" to the Muslims, and the Jewish people should be removed. By any means necessary.



That's what the decades-old group is called: BAMN. Tells you all you want to know about these horrible people.

These sound like assertions of fact based on personal experience. Are they? If so, when did you ask these “pointed questions” of the UCLA protestors?

A full decade in Ann Arbor with DIRECT conversations with protesters.


And they're still at it, naturally. The folks I spoke with and asked questions of are quoted in this article.

“Is it complex when you watch a huge military power — a white supremacist power like Israel — gun down thousands of unarmed human rights marchers?” he said.

Savabieasfahani compared the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians to European colonizers killing Native Americans and building a new country “on their dead bodies.”

“Genocide is bad. Killing people who are living in their homes and not bothering you is bad,” she said.



https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/20 ... ution.html

So is this suppose to ignore the fact of what Hamas did on October 7. Those Israeli citizens were also living in their homes and not bothering anyone. Hamas invited this response from Israel.

Oh, theses geniuses know that. The game they play is to keep the conversation in the direction that they want. They don't want a conversation, and they sure as sh(t don't want you to know that Palestine elected these wankers, or know what they've done over many years. All they want to tell you is "Israel is bad, and this whole mess is America's fault, and Palestinians are harmless bunnies".

When you bring up anything bad that Hamas has done, or bring up rejected Two State plans, they'll fall all over themselves to steer the conversation back to where they want it. They think they're clever, and sell peace to draw you in......until they finally tell you at long last that they want the Jewish people pushed into the sea. Their dishonest tactics are disgusting, and a huge reason why this mess will never be fixed.

Given the demographics of the Palestinian population, and, the demographics of the killed and wounded, I'd say that people who couldn't have elected (because they weren't born in 2006) Hamas are the majority of the dead and wounded.

Just because I'm fair and balanced doesn't mean that I can't condemn BOTH the crimes of Hamas AND the IDF. They both suck. And, it seems, they are both under investigation by the ICC.

What I don't understand is your vitriol and obduracy regarding the obvious crimes of the IDF and the Israeli government. Are you familiar with the Geneva Convention and the duties the Israelis have to non-combatants? You know, no killing them or starving them or denying medical care. Little things like that.

Now, you and C&S tell me how horrible I am. Won't change the facts of the matter. Refute them if you can.

[a fan]

\What I don't understand is your vitriol and obduracy regarding the obvious crimes of the IDF and the Israeli government. Are you familiar with the Geneva Convention and the duties the Israelis have to non-combatants? You know, no killing them or starving them or denying medical care. Little things like that.

I think you're confusing me with another poster.

The ONLY vitriol I have is to three groups: Hamas. The far right in Israel, including Bibi, doing things like adding settlements and hammering defenseless civilians knowing full well what that does to prospects of peace. And the blind pro-Palestian nutjobs who want the Jewish people out of the entire region.

As for annoyance? I'm annoyed at any person or group that refuses to acknowledge or mention the horrible things that "the other side" have done.

Things like railing at Israel for killing folks or starving and violating the Geneva Convention without owning up to the fact that Palestinians violated, and are continuing to violate the living sh(t out of the Geneva Convention by slaughtering 1200 civilians and children, and holding hundreds hostage, and starving and torturing and raping and killing hostages along the way.

Both sides are prolonging this mess for WAY the F longer than needed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

\What I don't understand is your vitriol and obduracy regarding the obvious crimes of the IDF and the Israeli government. Are you familiar with the Geneva Convention and the duties the Israelis have to non-combatants? You know, no killing them or starving them or denying medical care. Little things like that.

I think you're confusing me with another poster.

The ONLY vitriol I have is to three groups: Hamas. The far right in Israel, including Bibi, doing things like adding settlements and hammering defenseless civilians knowing full well what that does to prospects of peace. And the blind pro-Palestian nutjobs who want the Jewish people out of the entire region.

As for annoyance? I'm annoyed at any person or group that refuses to acknowledge or mention the horrible things that "the other side" have done.

Things like railing at Israel for killing folks or starving and violating the Geneva Convention without owning up to the fact that Palestinians violated, and are continuing to violate the living sh(t out of the Geneva Convention by slaughtering 1200 civilians and children, and holding hundreds hostage, and starving and torturing and raping and killing hostages along the way.

Both sides are prolonging this mess for WAY the F longer than needed.

Hamas killing 1,200 innocent people is awful. Not sure anyone has ignored it. In most conflicts there is a concept of proportionality. I am not sure if the response has exceeded what is considered proportional. Also, Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinian people. It’s a terrorist organization that cares no more about Palestinians than it does Jews unless they are sympathetic to their ideology. No “Palestinian” under the age of 35 voted for Hamas to “represent them” and those that did only accounted for 44% of the vote. Many people protesting are doing so because Israel pretty much meets the definition of an Apartheid State. A good friend of mine does a lot of work with Save The Children and first got involved about 10 years ago when he started taking trips to the region. He said for years he never realized how bad it was and it reminded him of South Africa. We can walk and chew gum. The reality is that a Palestinian live is 50x less valuable than an Israeli life. Many people in Israel are protesting. I am pretty sure they are not ignoring the 1,200 Israeli citizens slaughtered. breast for tat is why we are where we are.

[PizzaSnake]

\What I don't understand is your vitriol and obduracy regarding the obvious crimes of the IDF and the Israeli government. Are you familiar with the Geneva Convention and the duties the Israelis have to non-combatants? You know, no killing them or starving them or denying medical care. Little things like that.

I think you're confusing me with another poster.

The ONLY vitriol I have is to three groups: Hamas. The far right in Israel, including Bibi, doing things like adding settlements and hammering defenseless civilians knowing full well what that does to prospects of peace. And the blind pro-Palestian nutjobs who want the Jewish people out of the entire region.

As for annoyance? I'm annoyed at any person or group that refuses to acknowledge or mention the horrible things that "the other side" have done.

Things like railing at Israel for killing folks or starving and violating the Geneva Convention without owning up to the fact that Palestinians violated, and are continuing to violate the living sh(t out of the Geneva Convention by slaughtering 1200 civilians and children, and holding hundreds hostage, and starving and torturing and raping and killing hostages along the way.

Both sides are prolonging this mess for WAY the F longer than needed.

I’m going to assume you are including me in the bolded statement.

I note you elided this part of my comment.

“Just because I'm fair and balanced doesn't mean that I can't condemn BOTH the crimes of Hamas AND the IDF. They both suck. And, it seems, they are both under investigation by the ICC.”

Be honest in your communications. It increases credibility. Don’t assume, impute, or conflate.

[a fan]

\What I don't understand is your vitriol and obduracy regarding the obvious crimes of the IDF and the Israeli government. Are you familiar with the Geneva Convention and the duties the Israelis have to non-combatants? You know, no killing them or starving them or denying medical care. Little things like that.

I think you're confusing me with another poster.

The ONLY vitriol I have is to three groups: Hamas. The far right in Israel, including Bibi, doing things like adding settlements and hammering defenseless civilians knowing full well what that does to prospects of peace. And the blind pro-Palestian nutjobs who want the Jewish people out of the entire region.

As for annoyance? I'm annoyed at any person or group that refuses to acknowledge or mention the horrible things that "the other side" have done.

Things like railing at Israel for killing folks or starving and violating the Geneva Convention without owning up to the fact that Palestinians violated, and are continuing to violate the living sh(t out of the Geneva Convention by slaughtering 1200 civilians and children, and holding hundreds hostage, and starving and torturing and raping and killing hostages along the way.

Both sides are prolonging this mess for WAY the F longer than needed.

I’m going to assume you are including me in the bolded statement.

I note you elided this part of my comment.

“Just because I'm fair and balanced doesn't mean that I can't condemn BOTH the crimes of Hamas AND the IDF. They both suck. And, it seems, they are both under investigation by the ICC.”

Be honest in your communications. It increases credibility. Don’t assume, impute, or conflate.

....you trying to break the Forum's record for irony?

You assume that I'm including you in the bolded statement. Bzzzt. Wrong.

And then ten seconds later, you lecture me about being honest, and tell me not to assume.

Get the problem?