Conservative Ideology: A Big Lie

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
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Re: Conservative Ideology: The Big Lie

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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
At a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 amAt a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
The Jedi Mind tricks OD works on his base LOVE this guy...it's what props him and his movement up... :roll:

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Re: Conservative Ideology: The Big Lie

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
At a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
I don't think so counselor. I'm not a violent person and I have no respect for anyone who defines themselves as hating this country. I have a feeling the FBI has a pretty good handle on the leadership of the WCN movement. They have put themselves in the cross hairs. So I ask you counselor, is it against the law to be a member of a WNC organization? They may be repulsive in your eyes. You know what else is repulsive counselor? How about a group of protesters marching down a highway lustily chanting " PIGS IN A BLANKET, FRY EM LIKE BACON" does murdering police officers even show up on your progressive radar screen? Probably not, you and MD are waaaaaay to busy chasing those pesky WNC out of your yards. Sadly your both too old and slow to catch those redneck bastards anyway. You might as well join the fry em like bacon parade. That is more your speed anyway. Your hypocrisy knows no limits does it counselor? You should see an eye specialist and have that tunnel vision looked at. You might like having your peripheral vision back. I'm just saying.

FTR counselor, why are you so against freedom of speech? Should I think like you or fear being ostracized and made an outcast? That is exactly what you are trying to to accomplish. Your tactics are really not that much different than those WNC folks. Would it be so much simpler if I agreed with your more progressive intolerance ? Always an honor and a privilege to be lambasted by you. A man with a love of dogs however politically misguided you are has a good heart.
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Re: Conservative Ideology: The Big Lie

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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
At a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
Yes, he keeps demonstrating that futility. But the dialogue is revealing as to how many of our fellow Americans 'think'.

Cradle, people went to jail for the actions in Portland, though a lot of cases were dismissed. I don't condone the violence, but it wasn't done to overthrow the US government.

I'd note that Proud Boys in Portland also have been prosecuted. A key difference in Portland was that the opposition came out in force and much of the violence that ensued was because of those clashes. That didn't happen Jan 6.

And no one on here has suggested that being a member of a hate group, expressing hate, is illegal in and of itself. Nor has the US government. Planning violent attacks on others is another matter and the reason some of these groups are under such scrutiny is because they have indeed been organizing and planning, and in some cases committing, such violence. These groups have scaled to terrorist groups and should be understood as such.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:22 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
At a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
Yes, he keeps demonstrating that futility. But the dialogue is revealing as to how many of our fellow Americans 'think'.

Cradle, people went to jail for the actions in Portland, though a lot of cases were dismissed. I don't condone the violence, but it wasn't done to overthrow the US government.

I'd note that Proud Boys in Portland also have been prosecuted. A key difference in Portland was that the opposition came out in force and much of the violence that ensued was because of those clashes. That didn't happen Jan 6.

And no one on here has suggested that being a member of a hate group, expressing hate, is illegal in and of itself. Nor has the US government. Planning violent attacks on others is another matter and the reason some of these groups are under such scrutiny is because they have indeed been organizing and planning, and in some cases committing, such violence. These groups have scaled to terrorist groups and should be understood as such.
People in Portland went to jail. They were given a stiff hard slap on the wrist and sent out to participate in the next nights mayhem. This anarchistic and violent behavior went on in Portland for many weeks. This violence also was directed at police offices and federal buildings and even declaring portions of Portland as " sovereign territory" where a number of murders were committed. I must not have been paying attention to Lester Holt and his crew. I missed the extensive Senate and Congressional hearings into this unacceptable violence and disregard for our governmental institutions. That only becomes an issue if the angry mob shows up at the Capital steps. Then it really becomes a big friggin deal. I wonder what would have happened if this same angry mob showed up at the Capital steps every night for a couple of months?? Betcha that type of behavior would never have been allowed to happen.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... mp/677610/

"America is a riven society. Political divisions have been on the rise for years. The gap between the Republican and Democratic Parties has grown in Congress, and the share of Americans who interact with people from the opposing party has plummeted. Studies tell us, “Democrats and Republicans both say that the other party’s members are hypocritical, selfish, and closed-minded, and they are unwilling to socialize across party lines.”

Many Americans read news or get information only from sources that align with their political beliefs, which exacerbates fundamental disagreements not just about policies but about basic facts.

So-called affective polarization—in which citizens are more motivated by who they oppose than who they support—has increased more dramatically in America than in any other democracy. “Hatred—specifically, hatred of the other party—increasingly defines our politics,” Geoffrey Skelley and Holly Fuong have written at FiveThirtyEight. My colleague Ron Brownstein has argued that the nation is “confronting the greatest strain to its fundamental cohesion since the Civil War.”

One might reasonably expect that Christians, including white evangelicals, would be a unifying, healing force in American society. After all, the apostle Paul wrote that Jesus came to tear down “the dividing wall of hostility” between groups that held profoundly different beliefs. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God,” Jesus said. In that same sermon, Jesus also said, “I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” Even if those goals have always been unattainable, they were seen as aspirational.

Yet in the main, the white evangelical movement has for decades exacerbated our divisions, fueled hatreds and grievances, and turned fellow citizens into enemies rather than friends. This isn’t true of all evangelicals, of course. The movement comprises tens of millions of Americans, many of them good and gracious people who seek to be peacemakers, including in the political realm. They are horrified by the political idolatry we’re witnessing and the antipathy and rage that emanate from it. But it is fair to say that this movement that was at one time defined by its theological commitments is now largely defined by its partisan ones.

For much of the 20th century, evangelicals were disengaged from American politics, in part because of the humiliation of the 1925 Scopes “monkey trial,” in which one of the nation’s most prominent evangelicals and politicians, William Jennings Bryan—a populist Democrat who ran for president three times—prosecuted the case against a high-school teacher, John T. Scopes, who was charged with violating Tennessee state law for teaching evolution in schools. Bryan, who also testified, won the case but hurt his cause. (Scopes was found guilty, but the verdict was overturned on a technicality.) Outside of fundamentalist circles, Bryan and the movement he represented, which attacked the empirical findings of science, became the object of ridicule.

Theology gave fundamentalists and evangelicals another reason to keep their distance from politics. Many churches and denominations stressed personal piety over social engagement. The world was irredeemably corrupt, they believed; the role of Christians was to save souls, not remake the world.

In 1965 a young Independent Baptist pastor, Jerry Falwell, argued that the Church should be separate from the world. “We have few ties to this earth,” he said. The civic responsibilities of Christians were therefore limited: obey the law, pay taxes, vote. But that was about it. “I would find it impossible to stop preaching the pure saving Gospel of Jesus Christ and begin doing anything else,” Falwell said, “including fighting communism, or participating in civil-rights reforms.”

At the same time, some significant evangelical figures, such as the theologian Carl F. H. Henry, were calling for cultural reengagement. “While it is not the Christian’s task to correct social, moral, and political conditions as his primary effort,” Henry wrote, “he ought to lend his endorsement to remedial efforts in any context not specifically anti-redemptive.”

In 1973, about 50 politically moderate-to-progressive evangelical leaders, including Henry, signed the “Chicago Declaration of Evangelical Social Concern.” It was meant to address what they perceived as the gap between Christian faith and a commitment to social justice. Marjorie Hyer of The Washington Post wrote at the time that the gathering “could well change the face of both religion and politics in America.”

What happened instead is that the 1970s saw the rise of the religious right. It was a response to what conservative Christians considered to be a whole series of rapid, disorienting changes in social and moral norms. The 1960s ushered in the feminist movement and the sexual revolution. There was Woodstock and the Stonewall Riots, the birth of the National Organization of Women, and a wave of campus uprisings.

In the 1970s a whole series of issues—the Equal Rights Amendment, gay-rights ordinances, regulations on Christian schools, the IRS threatening to strip Bob Jones University of its tax-exempt status because of its policy against interracial dating, the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion—convinced many evangelicals and fundamentalists that their values were being subverted, their way of life assaulted. Political activism became a form of cultural resistance—and eventually, they hoped, a means to cultural victory.

“The critical development in the mid-1970s was mobilization, and on a national scale,” the historian Mark A. Noll wrote in The New Republic. “As that mobilization took place, it transformed well-established traditions of evangelical and fundamentalist religion into a political instrument.”

By the late 1970s, Falwell, who a decade earlier had advocated separatism, was embracing political activism. In addition to serving as pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church and chancellor of Liberty University, which he founded in 1971, Falwell was organizing “I Love America” rallies at state capitols. In 1979 he founded the Moral Majority, whose purpose was to mobilize conservative Christians against “secular humanism” and what he later called “the flood tide of moral permissiveness.”

“We are fighting a holy war,” he said, “and this time we are going to win.” He was hardly alone. Falwell counted as allies pastors, televangelists, and theologians; leaders of para-church organizations and “pro-family” ministries; Christian television programs (like The 700 Club) and radio shows with a massive reach (like Focus on the Family); and Christian political activists.

“The eruption of the Christian Right was sudden,” according to Frances Fitzgerald, author of The Evangelicals: The Struggle to Shape America. “In 1980 they seemed to be everywhere, putting on huge conferences and mass rallies, and giving interviews on secular TV shows.”

“Low voter participation was an expression of a religious position,” A. James Reichley, a scholar of politics and religion, told The Christian Science Monitor in 1984. “But that changed dramatically in the early 1970s, to the point that the evangelicals now are among the highest participants in elections. Not all the first-time registrants are for Reagan and not all are being brought in by the churches. But the churches are having a substantial effect.”

Leading up to the 1980 election, evangelicals tended to be more Democratic than non-evangelicals were. (Fifty-seven percent of evangelicals described themselves as Democrats compared with 47 percent of non-evangelicals.) In 1976, Jimmy Carter split the evangelical vote with Gerald Ford. During the 1980 presidential election, however, Falwell pledged to mobilize voters for Ronald Reagan, “even if he has the devil running with him.”

Reagan defeated the incumbent Democratic president, Carter, in a landslide, winning about two-thirds of the evangelical vote. Four years later, Reagan carried almost three-quarters of the evangelical vote. The mass migration of evangelical and fundamentalist Christians to the Republican Party was well under way. American politics was changing in profound ways; so, too, was the evangelical movement.

In the 1980s, the Presidential Biblical Scoreboard published by two church-related groups pushed evangelicals to assess candidates under the “biblical-family-moral” framework. But what was at least as significant as the issues that galvanized evangelicals and fundamentalists was the temperament, the cast of mind, that increasingly defined much of the evangelical, as well as the fundamentalist and Pentecostal, world.

The rhetoric had turned apocalyptic. In 1980, Falwell said that America was “floundering to the brink of death.” A year later, D. James Kennedy, the pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and a leading religious conservative, told 2,000 delegates at a joint meeting of the National Religious Broadcasters and the National Association of Evangelicals that evangelicals should increase their level of political involvement because “secular humanists have declared war on Christianity in this country and they are progressing very rapidly.”

In 1982, the theologian Francis Schaeffer, one of evangelicalism’s most important public intellectuals in the latter half of the 20th century, gave a speech in which he warned that America “is close to being lost.” He warned about “the Humanist conspiracy” and said that if public schools didn’t teach creation as well as evolution, that amounted to “tyranny.” In A Christian Manifesto, the book that emerged from his speech, Schaeffer warned about an “elite authoritarianism” that would systematically destroy the Christian worldview. “It is not too strong to say that we are at war, and there are no neutral parties in this struggle,” Schaeffer wrote.

Year after year, decade after decade, the same themes were repeated. America was always on the brink of moral collapse. The secular, progressive barbarians were always at the gates. The threat was existential and unending. It was a zeitgeist of catastrophism.

This attitude catalyzed among evangelicals and fundamentalists an ambience of fear, the belief that catastrophe was just around the corner, a sense that those who didn’t share their views were out to destroy their country, their values, their children. For many evangelicals, politics became a contest between the Children of Light and the Children of Darkness. They raged against their opponents, whom they saw less as fellow citizens than as their enemies. Politics became drenched in grievances and demonization, almost always aimed at liberals and Democrats, especially Democratic presidents. Evangelical leaders set the tone.

One example: In 1994 Falwell sold a videotape that alleged that President Bill Clinton had ordered the murder of “countless people.” (The Washington Post reported that Falwell acknowledged on CNN that he had no independent evidence to corroborate the allegations. And none was ever found.)

The next Democratic president, Barack Obama, was accused of “paving the way for the future reign of the Antichrist,” in the words of Robert Jeffress, a significant figure in the evangelical world and pastor of one of the largest Southern Baptist churches in the country. The then-president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Paige Patterson, affirmed Jeffress’s claim: “I understand what Jeffress is saying.” This rhetoric was the coin of the realm.

Worldviews have consequences, both good and bad. Just two days after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, Falwell and Pat Robertson—a Baptist minister, religious broadcaster, founder of the Christian Coalition and the Christian Broadcasting Network, and Republican presidential candidate in 1988—had a conversation on Robertson’s television show The 700 Club in which Falwell said, “What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule, if in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of God to give us probably what we deserve.” He added that the American Civil Liberties Union has “got to take a lot of blame for this,” and Robertson agreed. Falwell went on to say:

'I know that I’ll hear from them for this. But throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools—the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this, because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say, “You helped this happen.”'

To which Robertson responded, “Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government.”

For three and a half decades, apocalyptic thinking, frustration, and fury helped define the politics of evangelicalism and fundamentalism. The intensity of the fear fluctuated, but it never fully waned.

My Atlantic colleague Tim Alberta, the author of The Kingdom, The Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicalism in an Age of Extremism, pointed out in an interview that after the Cold War ended, during the 1990s, a decade of peace and prosperity, “some of that panic starts to fall away a little bit.” But what started to “trip the alarms inside of evangelicalism,” according to Alberta, was the end of the George W. Bush presidency and the election of Obama. Alberta points out that portions of the white evangelical movement were deeply uncomfortable with a Black president, with the leftward shift of the culture, and with advances for gay rights and same-sex marriage.

All of this was happening prior to Donald Trump’s appearance on the political stage. But it went to a whole new level after he won the Republican nomination and the presidency in 2016. The religious right didn’t change so much as the person the religious right supported for president changed. He ushered in a whole new era.

The alliance between the religious right and Trump—a nonreligious, thrice-married man who celebrated his infidelities in the tabloids, paid hush money to a porn star, cheated on his taxes, spread conspiracy theories, mocked POWs and people with disabilities, and was found liable for what the judge in the case referred to as rape—seems incongruous, and in some ways it is. After all, for years evangelicals insisted that good character was essential in political leaders, and especially in presidents. That was certainly the case when evangelicals lacerated Clinton for his moral failures.

In 1998, for example, Gary Bauer, then the president of the Family Research Council, a star of the religious right and a family-values crusader, wrote that “children cannot be set adrift into a culture that tells them that lying is okay, that fidelity is old-fashioned and that character doesn’t count.” And he pointed to Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky: “The seamy facts under public discussion are shameful enough. But fascination with this story should not be allowed to obscure the deeper lesson these incidents impart. That lesson is this: Character counts—in a people, in the institutions of our society, and in our national leadership. In character is destiny. Our founders believed and set down in their own words that only a virtuous people could remain free.”


But once Trump won the Republican nomination in 2016, Bauer, like many influential evangelical figures—including Franklin Graham, son of the famed preacher Billy Graham; Jerry Falwell Jr., who was the president of Liberty University before he was ousted amid scandal; Robert Jeffress; Al Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family; Tony Perkins, Family Research Council’s longest-serving president; and Wayne Grudem, a theologian and an author—fell into line behind Trump. In doing so, they embraced a man whose personal, political, and business ethics are not only far more compromised and corrupt than Bill Clinton’s; they are unsurpassed in the history of the American presidency. For evangelical leaders and for those representing the movement, character no longer counted.

“We kind of gave him—‘All right, you get a mulligan. You get a do-over here,’” Tony Perkins, the president of the FRC and an ardent Trump supporter, told Politico.

In October 2016—several weeks after the release of the notorious Access Hollywood tape in which Trump bragged about his affairs and declared that when you’re a star, “You can do anything. You can grab them by the wimp. You can do anything”—more than seven in 10 white evangelical Protestants said an elected official can behave ethically even if they have committed transgressions in their personal life. Five years earlier, when Obama was president, only 30 percent of white evangelical Protestants said the same. No group shifted their position more dramatically.

The argument is commonly made that this was pragmatic. Evangelicals might not admire Trump, but he would deliver on their policy agenda, and that mattered most. That might have been true for some, but a good deal more was going on as well.

The Calvin University historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez, the author of Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation, challenges the commonly held assumption that the religious right backed Trump for only pragmatic reasons. She argues that Trump represented the fulfillment, rather than the betrayal, of white evangelicals’ most deeply held values. Kobes Du Mez’s book offers an account of 75 years of evangelical history, showing how the evangelical subculture worked for decades to replace the Jesus of the Gospels with an idol of rugged masculinity and Christian nationalism.

The support for Trump was “the culmination of evangelicals’ embrace of militant masculinity,” she argues, and they condoned his “callous display of power.”

In a 2018 interview with The Guardian, Jerry Falwell Jr.—who referred to Trump as a “good moral person”—described Democrats as fascists and “Brownshirts.” Tony Perkins told Politico that evangelical Christians “were tired of being kicked around by Barack Obama and his leftists. And I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully.” And in 2016 Pastor Jeffress told NPR, “I’ve said I want the meanest, toughest SOB I can find to protect this nation. And so that’s why Trump’s tone doesn’t bother me.”

White evangelical Protestants are now among the Republican Party’s most loyal constituencies. In 2020, Trump actually expanded his support among white evangelical Protestants, winning 84 percent of their vote after having received 77 percent four years earlier.

White evangelical Christians are the most consistently reliable supporters of the most polarizing and morally depraved president in American history. It has hurt America, and it has done tremendous damage to the witness of the Christian faith."
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cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:34 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 10:22 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:59 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 7:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:39 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:52 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:04 pm You’re being offensive or stupid C&S.
You wouldn't understand sarcasm counselor if it walked up behind you and bit you in your ass. Your friends on this forum have been whining and complaining and opining about how evil those WNC folks are. What say you? How do you deal with them? How do you suggest we deal with the Antifa anarchists? Should we as Americans fear one group more than the other? What I'm being counselor is realistic. As you well know counselor your within your rights as an American patriot to burn the American flag in public. If your an Antifa anarchist hell you can burn down parts of Portland and declare portions of city blocks as "sovereign territory" I can ask you your question right back at you... are you equally as offensive and stupid in neglecting to admit YOUR people are just as offensive as the other team is? Where were you counselor when Portland was burning?
Confront the ideology at every turn with logic and facts, not violence.

Defeat them in the voting booth, cradle.

When White Christian Nationalists put forth candidates or endorse candidates and such endorsements are not rejected, defeat those candidates.

Punish under the law those who commit crimes.

Now, if I need to choose between being anti-fascist or pro-fascist, that's an easy choice. Isn't it for you?

But hey, what do we do if the racist faux-religious fascists actually succeed and take over?
In so many words the black shirts in Portland don't matter to you. Why didn't the feds take the same hard ass approach to the Portland anarchists than they did with the January 6 mob? You want the bad actors prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That never happened in Portland. The anarchy was allowed to occur for many weeks with law enforcement standing on the sidelines doing nothing. Is launching pyrotechnics and frozen water bottles at law enforcement just good old fashioned fun?? You can't vote that sort of behavior out of power. It is baked into the cake. I betcha if trump wins in November the anarchists in Portland will regroup and try to burn the city down. I betcha the feds are still so preoccupied chasing down the Jan. 6 mob that they won't even notice. :roll:
FTR is being anti fascist justification for breaking the law and inflicting violence on the other side? That is after all what you are insinuating.
At a certain point, MDLaxfan, you just have to admit that trying to converse or debate with C&S is futile. He is exactly what the violent WCN and its enablers on the Right are hoping for.
Yes, he keeps demonstrating that futility. But the dialogue is revealing as to how many of our fellow Americans 'think'.

Cradle, people went to jail for the actions in Portland, though a lot of cases were dismissed. I don't condone the violence, but it wasn't done to overthrow the US government.

I'd note that Proud Boys in Portland also have been prosecuted. A key difference in Portland was that the opposition came out in force and much of the violence that ensued was because of those clashes. That didn't happen Jan 6.

And no one on here has suggested that being a member of a hate group, expressing hate, is illegal in and of itself. Nor has the US government. Planning violent attacks on others is another matter and the reason some of these groups are under such scrutiny is because they have indeed been organizing and planning, and in some cases committing, such violence. These groups have scaled to terrorist groups and should be understood as such.
People in Portland went to jail. They were given a stiff hard slap on the wrist and sent out to participate in the next nights mayhem. This anarchistic and violent behavior went on in Portland for many weeks. This violence also was directed at police offices and federal buildings and even declaring portions of Portland as " sovereign territory" where a number of murders were committed. I must not have been paying attention to Lester Holt and his crew. I missed the extensive Senate and Congressional hearings into this unacceptable violence and disregard for our governmental institutions. That only becomes an issue if the angry mob shows up at the Capital steps. Then it really becomes a big friggin deal. I wonder what would have happened if this same angry mob showed up at the Capital steps every night for a couple of months?? Betcha that type of behavior would never have been allowed to happen.
People did jail time who were prosecuted with sufficient clear evidence of violence. Other cases were dismissed for lack of sufficient evidence. I don't recall anyone on here (though I could imagine someone) applauding that violence or calling the violent offenders "patriots".

While a big number of people have been prosecuted, there are likely another 1,000 people in DC who have not been prosecuted for exactly the same reason, insufficient evidence. Many thousands more who were not directly involved in the violence but who chanted for it, pressed forward, illegally entering Capitol grounds...none of those are being prosecuted for that trespass.

Again, actually trying to overthrow the US government. Calling for execution of VP and members of Congress, and darn close to being able to complete that objective.

With the only opposition holding the line being police.

If you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.
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Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
Happy to associate myself with my fellow GOP Marylander...and with those comments who follow...
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
😂 Boy….he really went out on a limb there. He’s the reason we ended up with BHO, and I am also a fan of him. Dang shame he does not ever get much accomplished. Like a typical entrenched republican….all talk and about himself.
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It’s Past Time to Quit Hoping the Courts Are Going to Stop Trump
The latest decisions out of the Supreme Court, first on when to hear former President Donald Trump’s immunity appeal, then on how to deal with his Colorado ballot disqualification, have made one thing very clear: We need to stop deluding ourselves that a majority of the Supreme Court sees the same political emergency that many of us do in terms of the threat Trump poses to American democracy. Whether it understood or even accounted for the consequences of the decision to delay the criminal case against him and to expedite its decision to keep him on the ballot, the high court ensured this past week that Trump is extremely unlikely to have a jury decide if he engaged in election subversion before voters cast their ballots for the next U.S. president this fall. After failures by outgoing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Attorney General Merrick Garland, and now the Supreme Court, it’s clear that if anyone is going to save American democracy, it is going to be the voters.
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Do we deserve a Supreme Court that cares about putting the evidence of Donald Trump’s potential criminality before the American people before they head to the polls? We do. Do we have such a court? We do not. Clearly. So, the sole remaining question seems to be whether it is a delusion or a useful exercise to spin out elaborate fantasies in which the justices reverse course to step up. Is producing an elaborate flowchart of a trial that might take place between the first and second presidential debates going to somehow soften and change a justice’s mind?
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youthathletics wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:16 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
😂 Boy….he really went out on a limb there. He’s the reason we ended up with BHO, and I am also a fan of him. Dang shame he does not ever get much accomplished. Like a typical entrenched republican….all talk and about himself.
Really? Obama? Steele wasn't made chair of the RNC until after Obama won. 2009. And he was out of that office well before the second election, Reince Priebus became Chair in 2011 onward. Chair in 2012 and in 2016. Threw out the results of the RNC's introspective that argued for broadening, not narrowing, the GOP. Tea Party zeitgeist took over, precursor to MAGA.

Maybe check yourself on that one re Steele being the "reason we ended up with Obama".

Here's a wink though, you sound a little like Donald who can't seem to remember who he beat in 2016, he thinks that was Obama not Hillary and he keeps calling Biden Obama as well...hmmm ;)
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Mom's for Fascism trying to ban books in Howard County, MD. They are running into a lot of pushback. Howard County is not Carroll County. Carroll County was the first Maryland County to be attacked by these fascists. They are being pushed back there as well.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:16 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
😂 Boy….he really went out on a limb there. He’s the reason we ended up with BHO, and I am also a fan of him. Dang shame he does not ever get much accomplished. Like a typical entrenched republican….all talk and about himself.
Really? Obama? Steele wasn't made chair of the RNC until after Obama won. 2009. And he was out of that office well before the second election, Reince Priebus became Chair in 2011 onward. Chair in 2012 and in 2016. Threw out the results of the RNC's introspective that argued for broadening, not narrowing, the GOP. Tea Party zeitgeist took over, precursor to MAGA.

Maybe check yourself on that one re Steele being the "reason we ended up with Obama".

Here's a wink though, you sound a little like Donald who can't seem to remember who he beat in 2016, he thinks that was Obama not Hillary and he keeps calling Biden Obama as well...hmmm ;)
I left out "Second Term" I have been on pain meds the last few days, post surgery. ;)
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:11 am Mom's for Fascism trying to ban books in Howard County, MD. They are running into a lot of pushback. Howard County is not Carroll County. Carroll County was the first Maryland County to be attacked by these fascists. They are being pushed back there as well.
:lol: Can you imagine being the kids of these idiots? Not enough therapist in the world to fix what's coming for their poor kids.

How freaking stupid do you have to be to not allow ALL book in libraries in 2024? Because FFS, are you HONESTLY so stupid that you don't know that your kid has access to EVERYTHING, just using a low-end phone?

Idiots. You should be THRILLED that your kids read, and doing everything you can to encourage it.

And if your kid is so stupid and weak that they can't read a book about, say, WWII and go out and shoot someone "because they read about killing in a book"???

Your kid isn't long for this world, anyway. And you SUCK as a parent. Have faith in your kid. Odds are, your kids are better humans than you are if you let them think for themselves. This ain't Russia, you fascist *sshats. F you, and your totalitarian views.
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:16 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
😂 Boy….he really went out on a limb there. He’s the reason we ended up with BHO, and I am also a fan of him. Dang shame he does not ever get much accomplished. Like a typical entrenched republican….all talk and about himself.
Really? Obama? Steele wasn't made chair of the RNC until after Obama won. 2009. And he was out of that office well before the second election, Reince Priebus became Chair in 2011 onward. Chair in 2012 and in 2016. Threw out the results of the RNC's introspective that argued for broadening, not narrowing, the GOP. Tea Party zeitgeist took over, precursor to MAGA.

Maybe check yourself on that one re Steele being the "reason we ended up with Obama".

Here's a wink though, you sound a little like Donald who can't seem to remember who he beat in 2016, he thinks that was Obama not Hillary and he keeps calling Biden Obama as well...hmmm ;)
I left out "Second Term" I have been on pain meds the last few days, post surgery. ;)
Hope the surgery went well! And recovery isn't too difficult.

Not sure how you can blame Steele for Romney falling short of making Obama a one term POTUS.
Reince Priebus was RNC Chair during that election season.

If anything really mattered from a Party org standpoint, I'd suggest that it was the turning away from the recommendation to broaden the GOP's appeal, including embracing policies like immigration reform (including path to citizenship) and investments in addressing poverty (from a conservative perspective eg school choice, infrastructure, etc) and to make the tone of the party more welcoming to various diverse audiences. The hardening of the Tea Party versus the W Bush "compassionate conservatism" , HW Bush's "thousand points of light" and Reagan's "morning in America" optimism, including immigrant amnesty.

That turn resulted in Priebus winning the Chair. That's when Steele was rejected from a leadership role by the GOP. 2011.

IMO, Romney would have made a terrific President, but he was/is nowhere near the political athlete that Obama is...same for Clinton and Reagan...different class of athlete.
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a fan wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:45 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:11 am Mom's for Fascism trying to ban books in Howard County, MD. They are running into a lot of pushback. Howard County is not Carroll County. Carroll County was the first Maryland County to be attacked by these fascists. They are being pushed back there as well.
:lol: Can you imagine being the kids of these idiots? Not enough therapist in the world to fix what's coming for their poor kids.

How freaking stupid do you have to be to not allow ALL book in libraries in 2024? Because FFS, are you HONESTLY so stupid that you don't know that your kid has access to EVERYTHING, just using a low-end phone?

Idiots. You should be THRILLED that your kids read, and doing everything you can to encourage it.

And if your kid is so stupid and weak that they can't read a book about, say, WWII and go out and shoot someone "because they read about killing in a book"???

Your kid isn't long for this world, anyway. And you SUCK as a parent. Have faith in your kid. Odds are, your kids are better humans than you are if you let them think for themselves. This ain't Russia, you fascist *sshats. F you, and your totalitarian views.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:50 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 11:46 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:16 pm
jhu72 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2024 4:19 pm Michael Steele calls Orange Douche Bag out.

... you might want to spend a few minutes reading the comments after the video.
😂 Boy….he really went out on a limb there. He’s the reason we ended up with BHO, and I am also a fan of him. Dang shame he does not ever get much accomplished. Like a typical entrenched republican….all talk and about himself.
Really? Obama? Steele wasn't made chair of the RNC until after Obama won. 2009. And he was out of that office well before the second election, Reince Priebus became Chair in 2011 onward. Chair in 2012 and in 2016. Threw out the results of the RNC's introspective that argued for broadening, not narrowing, the GOP. Tea Party zeitgeist took over, precursor to MAGA.

Maybe check yourself on that one re Steele being the "reason we ended up with Obama".

Here's a wink though, you sound a little like Donald who can't seem to remember who he beat in 2016, he thinks that was Obama not Hillary and he keeps calling Biden Obama as well...hmmm ;)
I left out "Second Term" I have been on pain meds the last few days, post surgery. ;)
Hope the surgery went well! And recovery isn't too difficult.

Not sure how you can blame Steele for Romney falling short of making Obama a one term POTUS.
Reince Priebus was RNC Chair during that election season.

If anything really mattered from a Party org standpoint, I'd suggest that it was the turning away from the recommendation to broaden the GOP's appeal, including embracing policies like immigration reform (including path to citizenship) and investments in addressing poverty (from a conservative perspective eg school choice, infrastructure, etc) and to make the tone of the party more welcoming to various diverse audiences. The hardening of the Tea Party versus the W Bush "compassionate conservatism" , HW Bush's "thousand points of light" and Reagan's "morning in America" optimism, including immigrant amnesty.

That turn resulted in Priebus winning the Chair. That's when Steele was rejected from a leadership role by the GOP. 2011.

IMO, Romney would have made a terrific President, but he was/is nowhere near the political athlete that Obama is...same for Clinton and Reagan...different class of athlete.
Romney would have made a terrific president if you were Democratic .The only time he ever sounded like he had a set of balls was when he called out trump. I guess Barack confiscated them at some point in time and put them in his lockbox. Lucky for Mittens that Barack gave them back.
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a fan wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:45 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:11 am Mom's for Fascism trying to ban books in Howard County, MD. They are running into a lot of pushback. Howard County is not Carroll County. Carroll County was the first Maryland County to be attacked by these fascists. They are being pushed back there as well.
:lol: Can you imagine being the kids of these idiots? Not enough therapist in the world to fix what's coming for their poor kids.

How freaking stupid do you have to be to not allow ALL book in libraries in 2024? Because FFS, are you HONESTLY so stupid that you don't know that your kid has access to EVERYTHING, just using a low-end phone?

Idiots. You should be THRILLED that your kids read, and doing everything you can to encourage it.

And if your kid is so stupid and weak that they can't read a book about, say, WWII and go out and shoot someone "because they read about killing in a book"???

Your kid isn't long for this world, anyway. And you SUCK as a parent. Have faith in your kid. Odds are, your kids are better humans than you are if you let them think for themselves. This ain't Russia, you fascist *sshats. F you, and your totalitarian views.
YUP!

Trust your kids and if they want to read LET THEM. You cannot protect them from the world and trying to always sends the wrong message!

Reminds me of a time when my mother listened to a neighbor and stopped me from reading To Kill a Mockingbird. It was the summer after 5th grade. My 5th grade teacher had put together a non-required / suggested reading list for the summer. He was going to have the same kids in his class the following year as he was moving with us to the sixth grade.

I was laying in a hammock under a tree in the small back yard we had. We lived on a corner so everyone could see what you were doing. A mother of one of my neighborhood friends walked across the street to say hello and ask what I was reading. I answered her and told her what the book was about. I had only read a few chapters by that time. Later unbeknownst to me she called my mother and gave HER opinion of the book I was reading. I have no idea if she had ever read it. The next day my mother informed me I could not read the book and told me to give it to her. I was dumbfounded. My parents had always encouraged me to read. I told my mother there was nothing wrong with the book, but lost the argument. She had never read the book. Trusting one's parents, I really thought I HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. A few weeks later I got another copy, which I hid and finished the book "in private," trying to understand what was so wrong. I came to the conclusion there was nothing wrong, NOTHING AT ALL!

A few months later I was having an argument with my mother, I can't remember the details I was in the 6th grade. She made the point that she had always trusted me! I of course brought up the example of the To Kill a Mockingbird incident. I won the argument, game / set / match, she wilted. Later that evening as I was going to bed, she came up to say goodnight and sat on the corner of my bed. She apologized for the Mockingbird incident, gave me the book back and again encouraged me to read, read anything I desired. A week or so later I noticed there was a copy of To Kill a Mockingbird on her nightstand next to her bed. I asked her what was going on and she just smiled. We never again had a discussion about my choice of literature.

Great mom. Great example. Needless to say the Mom's for Fascism can't hold a candle to my mom!

The neighbor lady, was not a bad person, friendly and affable but very "correct", one of my mother's best friends in the neighborhood. She was a Church lady. As I recall, very active, 3 times a week she would walk up the street, dressed up and alone. I always found it strange that neither her husband nor my friend Danny ever walked up the street with her. They did get into the family car, all dressed up, every Sunday morning. Danny was a good kid, he was considered "odd" by most of the boys in the neighborhood. Never played sports with the rest of us. Danny's older sister I had always liked but she left home a few years before the Mockingbird incident. Years later I found out that she didn't get along with her mother and ran away from home.

I think there is a moral in here somewhere.
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